Split Marijuana Discussion

[Alexander1656]

I have the same opinion about using it, as loaf. I think that drugs are bad for you. I dont believe they should be used in doing something like dreaming.

[Sony86]

I have the same opinion about using it, as loaf. I think that drugs are bad for you. I dont believe they should be used in doing something like dreaming. Don't generalize marijuana as just another 'drug'. It is unlike any other drug man has ever laid his hands on in the respect that you can use it completely unsynthesized (You're smoking a plant that grows out of the ground itself rather than chemicals mixed in a laboratory). Drugs ARE bad for you, but I do not consider pot a drug, because it is A. Not physically addictive (It's about as addictive as a good video game, there are no actual physical properties in pot that make it in any way physically addictive, meaning it's not like nicotene which actually physically addicts you. Mental addiction can be anything, you can be mentally addicted to masturbation for fuck's sake), and B. It does absolutely nothing to harm you, besides making you unmotivated due to your own actions. Lung cancer and pot are completely unassociated, and it's also been found that cigarette smokers who ALSO smoke weed LIVE LONGER. There are no known deaths as a result of smoking pot, and there is no possible way to overdose. (Maybe possible, but you'd have to smoke about 10 times your body weight). So please, don't generalize it as just another 'drug' because it is certainly, absolutely, not. The 'gateway drug' argument is valid, but only as a result of pot prohibition. If pot were legal, you wouldn't be buying it from people who also sell other drugs and that's exactly what makes it a gateway drug. Again, there is no property of weed that could ever encourage you to want a better high, or to try a different drug, the only way it could feasibly be a gateway drug is because of the fact that is is illegal. Alcohol could be just as easily considered a gateway drug if it were illegal and you were buying it from people with other actual drugs. I had the misconception about pot when I was growing up, and so did everyone else. We all thought it was evil shit at one point, it's just a matter of actually trying it for yourself and realizing how simple and awesome weed is. (Kind of like being afraid of an intimidating waterslide as a kid and then finally getting convinced to go on it, and completely disproving previous fears and uncertainty about the slide itself.) Booze is legal, alcohol is far more of a drug than THC (weed) will ever be. It's far, far more harmful to you than any weed will ever be - yet it's legal, smart world right? Food for thought, please consider my words without dismissing them as misinformation as it is quality valid information, not an opinion.

[Alexander1656]

Don't generalize marijuana as just another 'drug'. It is unlike any other drug man has ever laid his hands on in the respect that you can use it completely unsynthesized (You're smoking a plant that grows out of the ground itself rather than chemicals mixed in a laboratory). Drugs ARE bad for you, but I do not consider pot a drug, because it is A. Not physically addictive (It's about as addictive as a good video game, there are no actual physical properties in pot that make it in any way physically addictive, meaning it's not like nicotene which actually physically addicts you. Mental addiction can be anything, you can be mentally addicted to masturbation for fuck's sake), and B. It does absolutely nothing to harm you, besides making you unmotivated due to your own actions. Lung cancer and pot are completely unassociated, and it's also been found that cigarette smokers who ALSO smoke weed LIVE LONGER. There are no known deaths as a result of smoking pot, and there is no possible way to overdose. (Maybe possible, but you'd have to smoke about 10 times your body weight). So please, don't generalize it as just another 'drug' because it is certainly, absolutely, not. The 'gateway drug' argument is valid, but only as a result of pot prohibition. If pot were legal, you wouldn't be buying it from people who also sell other drugs and that's exactly what makes it a gateway drug. Again, there is no property of weed that could ever encourage you to want a better high, or to try a different drug, the only way it could feasibly be a gateway drug is because of the fact that is is illegal. Alcohol could be just as easily considered a gateway drug if it were illegal and you were buying it from people with other actual drugs. I had the misconception about pot when I was growing up, and so did everyone else. We all thought it was evil shit at one point, it's just a matter of actually trying it for yourself and realizing how simple and awesome weed is. (Kind of like being afraid of an intimidating waterslide as a kid and then finally getting convinced to go on it, and completely disproving previous fears and uncertainty about the slide itself.) Booze is legal, alcohol is far more of a drug than THC (weed) will ever be. It's far, far more harmful to you than any weed will ever be - yet it's legal, smart world right? Food for thought, please consider my words without dismissing them as misinformation as it is quality valid information, not an opinion. Ok, but, Lucid dreaming is something that should be axssesable by everyone. It is not ment to be something assoated with drugs. Also, I really would nver break the law(Besudes downloading a few iligle music

[Sony86]

Look I know people who have gotten really sick from pot! Also when your "High" you can hurt your self a lot. I would never try pot. EVER Wow, okay? Way to completely ignore everything I said.

[Sony86]

Ok, but, Lucid dreaming is something that should be axssesable by everyone. It is not ment to be something assoated with drugs. Also, I really would nver break the law(Besudes downloading a few iligle music That's a much more intelligent response and I thank you. I agree with you man, I don't think weed is at all nessesary for lucid dreaming as it should be mastered without any drugs just like life ultimately should. And I do not break the law by smoking weed as I have a legitimate medical marijuana lisensce.

[shooshtime]

I have the same opinion about using it, as loaf. I think that drugs are bad for you. I dont believe they should be used in doing something like dreaming. Drugs are bad for you, Cannabis is not a drug! That is propaganda taught to you by closed minded individuals with their own agendas at hand. If you took anytime to do research you would find out how much Cannabis helps people and how new studies have been released showing the effects of Cannabis are pretty much the opposite of what you have been told from anyone who has a negative outlook on it. Please do some research on your own time and look into what Cannabis has to offer people and I think you will be surprised at what you find!

[Sony86]

Drugs are bad for you, Cannabis is not a drug! That is propaganda taught to you by closed minded individuals with their own agendas at hand. If you took anytime to do research you would find out how much Cannabis helps people and how new studies have been released showing the effects of Cannabis are pretty much the opposite of what you have been told from anyone who has a negative outlook on it. Please do some research on your own time and look into what Cannabis has to offer people and I think you will be surprised at what you find! Thank you.

[inthemirror92]

Don't generalize marijuana as just another 'drug'. It is unlike any other drug man has ever laid his hands on in the respect that you can use it completely unsynthesized (You're smoking a plant that grows out of the ground itself rather than chemicals mixed in a laboratory). Drugs ARE bad for you, but I do not consider pot a drug, because it is A. Not physically addictive (It's about as addictive as a good video game, there are no actual physical properties in pot that make it in any way physically addictive, meaning it's not like nicotene which actually physically addicts you. Mental addiction can be anything, you can be mentally addicted to masturbation for fuck's sake), and B. It does absolutely nothing to harm you, besides making you unmotivated due to your own actions. Lung cancer and pot are completely unassociated, and it's also been found that cigarette smokers who ALSO smoke weed LIVE LONGER. There are no known deaths as a result of smoking pot, and there is no possible way to overdose. (Maybe possible, but you'd have to smoke about 10 times your body weight). So please, don't generalize it as just another 'drug' because it is certainly, absolutely, not. The 'gateway drug' argument is valid, but only as a result of pot prohibition. If pot were legal, you wouldn't be buying it from people who also sell other drugs and that's exactly what makes it a gateway drug. Again, there is no property of weed that could ever encourage you to want a better high, or to try a different drug, the only way it could feasibly be a gateway drug is because of the fact that is is illegal. Alcohol could be just as easily considered a gateway drug if it were illegal and you were buying it from people with other actual drugs. I had the misconception about pot when I was growing up, and so did everyone else. We all thought it was evil shit at one point, it's just a matter of actually trying it for yourself and realizing how simple and awesome weed is. (Kind of like being afraid of an intimidating waterslide as a kid and then finally getting convinced to go on it, and completely disproving previous fears and uncertainty about the slide itself.) Booze is legal, alcohol is far more of a drug than THC (weed) will ever be. It's far, far more harmful to you than any weed will ever be - yet it's legal, smart world right? Food for thought, please consider my words without dismissing them as misinformation as it is quality valid information, not an opinion. Wow, okay? Way to completely ignore everything I said. That's how i used to look at pot.. like something bad. then i gave it a try..& my whole life made sense..

[Sony86]

That's how i used to look at pot.. like something bad. then i gave it a try..& my whole life made sense.. Exactly. Like epiphany city once you try it for the first time.

[Loaf]

Drugs are bad for you, Cannabis is not a drug! That is propaganda taught to you by closed minded individuals with their own agendas at hand. We aren't closed minded. How dare you. It doesn't matter how you dress it up. You are inhaling smoke. Thats not healthy.

[shooshtime]

We aren't closed minded. How dare you. It doesn't matter how you dress it up. You are inhaling smoke. Thats not healthy. Who said I inhale smoke? Maybe you shouldn't assume things you aren't privy to? You basically just proved my point to about being closed minded, the first thing you assumed is I inhale smoke. If you knew more about cannabis you would know there are safe and healthy ways to use it!

[Loaf]

Smoking is the most common way of use though. It wouldn't surprise me if you have had a puff before. Me assuming you inhale it doesn't make me closed minded.

[Samael]

Drugs are bad for you, Cannabis is not a drug! It's a mind altering substance, a chemical that affects the nervous system, and is therefore a drug. There's also nothing wrong with that, though it likely won't help you in dream recall. Although, by that definition, someone really ought to launch an investigation into Fruitopia. New topic: The Effects of Fruitopia on Lucid Dreams. Subtopic: But Wouldn't That Require Sleep?

[Sony86]

Smoking is the most common way of use though. It wouldn't surprise me if you have had a puff before. Me assuming you inhale it doesn't make me closed minded. First of all, he didn't call you closed-minded, you automatically assumed he did, he was calling the people who create anti-marijuana propaganda for the betterment of their businesses closed-minded - and they are. You can use marijuana in a variety of ways, you can bake it and cook it in to any food (deliciously, I might add) and you can smoke it using a vaporizer which allows you to inhale vapor instead of smoke (which means you do not ingest and sort of tar or any other smoke substance, it's as healthy as inhaling water vapor - therfore making smoking completely %100 healthy. )

[Alexander1656]

Iligle drugs are iligel for a reason (Sorry for my bad spelling!) That is propaganda taught to you by closed minded individuals with their own agendas at hand. We are saying it is bad. We are teaching it. Therefore he is calling us closed minded. BTW: Propaganda is simply ways of spreading information. Sadly the only times we talk about it is when it is missused. Advertisements, the News (It stands for North south east and west, because it comes from all over the world. It is not the plural of new.), flyers ect. are propaganda.

[Universal Mind]

Iligle drugs are iligel for a reason Do you assume that none of those reasons are corrupt? Please explain why marijuana is illegal while alcohol is legal.

[Alexander1656]

Do you assume that none of those reasons are corrupt? Please explain why marijuana is illegal while alcohol is legal. http://alcoholism.about.com/od/pot/a/effects.-Lya.htm

[Universal Mind]

http://alcoholism.about.com/od/pot/a/effects.-Lya.htm First of all, I am asking for your response, not somebody else's report. Were you trying to indirectly say that marijuana should be illegal because it poses certain health problems if done too much? With that reasoning, think of all of the things we need to ban, things much worse for health than marijuana. One of those things would be alcohol, which brings up the part of my challenge you neglected. Considering the name of the web site you used, how exactly did you miss the rest of my challenge? Do you assume that none of those reasons are corrupt? Please explain why marijuana is illegal while alcohol is legal. We could of course talk about tobacco (11,000 deaths per day), high fat foods (one of the top killers there is), and recreational driving (Driving/riding in automobiles is another one of the grand champions of human death.), but we can stick to alcohol for now. How many people have died because of alcohol today? http://www.gdcada.org/statistics/alcohol.htm Now please finish the explanation I asked you for. Thanks.

[Loaf]

First of all, I am asking for your response, not somebody else's report. Oh, so perfectly good information is now invalid because someone else wrote it? Pfft. We could of course talk about tobacco (11,000 deaths per day) By all means do, New Zealand is considering banning cigarettes. I hope they go through with it.

[Universal Mind]

Oh, so perfectly good information is now invalid because someone else wrote it? Pfft. Do you honestly think that was my point? Do you really think I was saying the information is invalid? Pffft. As I suggested, the fact that something can cause health problems for the user is not a legitimate basis for making or keeping it illegal. Therefore, just posting a link to health statistics concerning marijuana did not answer my question. Understand? Since you are in this and you thanked Alexander for his last post, I challenge you to address the issues I raised. Let's see what you can tell us about them. Edit: You just added your expression of lack of respect for personal freedom when it comes to tobacco, so how about the other issues I raised?

[Loaf]

Edit: You just added your expression of lack of respect for personal freedom when it comes to tobacco, so how about the other issues I raised? Its not about lack of freedom, its about breaking the chain now so future generations aren't exposed to harm. If you take away cigarettes now, nobody will care about it once all the past users have passed away. Why should I have to inhale second hand smoke just because some bozo can't kick his useless addiction. I for one won't stand and watch perfectly good human beings die, just so they can get a "buzz". You can't compare eating fatty foods to smoking marijuana. Thats like comparing taking a bicycle ride to taking a train.

[Universal Mind]

Its not about lack of freedom, its about breaking the chain now so future generations aren't exposed to harm. If you take away cigarettes now, nobody will care about it once all the past users have passed away. Why should I have to inhale second hand smoke just because some bozo can't kick his useless addiction. I for one won't stand and watch perfectly good human beings die, just so they can get a "buzz". It's not your call. It's theirs. Who are you to tell people how well they should be required to take care of their own bodies? Whether or not smoking is allowed in a particular facility should be up to the facility owner, not the government. If you don't like second hand smoke, stay out of the facilities where it exists. You can't compare eating fatty foods to smoking marijuana. Thats like comparing taking a bicycle ride to taking a train. You're going to need to explain that. Heart disease is the number one killer in the United States, and I imagine it is a big killer in New Zealand too. How many people does marijuana kill per year? I raised other issues, including recreational driving and alcohol. Where do you stand on those?

[Loaf]

It's not your call. It's theirs. Well its to my opinion that those people are making lousy, poorly thought out decisions (probably largely influenced by the addiction) and should not be given that choice. I am all for freedom and self expression. But this is killing them. I guess with your logic, I should let a suicidal person jump off a 30 story building, because otherwise I might be taking away their freedom. You're going to need to explain that. Heart disease is the number one killer in the United States, and I imagine it is a big killer in New Zealand too. These people are addicted to fatty foods. I know I am right now. But I don't accept it, and I won't let it continue. These people need help to get their diets on track - most of them know that, and most of them want it. And if someone we know suffers from heart disease, its our job as their family to help them eat better and cope with it. Not let them continue eating shit for the purpose of freedom. Because we care about them enough to know ultimately its whats best for them. And surely they know that too.

[Universal Mind]

I am all for freedom and self expression. WTF? No you're not. Well its to my opinion that those people are making lousy, poorly thought out decisions (probably largely influenced by the addiction) and should not be given that choice. I am all for freedom and self expression. But this is killing them. I guess with your logic, I should let a suicidal person jump off a 30 story building, because otherwise I might be taking away their freedom. Suicide is different because it kills 100% of the people who do it, and people are in a mentally ill state when they do it. The rights I believe in do not all apply to the mentally ill. Practically all suicidal people are glad later that they were physically stopped from committing suicide. Practically all people who are physically stopped from smoking cigarettes or marijuana are always pissed at the person who got what they consider to be nosy and arrogant. You have no business preventing others from making what are merely bad health risk choices. What if the government started telling you how much you have to exercise every week and how many hours you have to sleep every night? They would be way the Hell out of line, wouldn't they? These people are addicted to fatty foods. I know I am right now. But I don't accept it, and I won't let it continue. These people need help to get their diets on track - most of them know that, and most of them want it. And if someone we know suffers from heart disease, its our job as their family to help them eat better and cope with it. Not let them continue eating shit for the purpose of freedom. Because we care about them enough to know ultimately its whats best for them. And surely they know that too. Uh, how is that different from marijuana and tobacco, other than the fact that a high percentage of marijuana smokers are not addicted to marijuana? I asked you for the difference, and you didn't tell me. Now (Why do I keep having to ask you for this?), tell me how you feel about the legality of recreational driving and alcohol. Is there some important difference with them? By the way, did you post in the Extended Discussion thread "Should marijuana be legal?" Please post in there. I would love to really get into this with you.

[Loaf]

Now (Why do I keep having to ask you for this?), tell me how you feel about the legality of recreational driving and alcohol. Is there some important difference with them? Low doses of alcohol are fine. I'm sure low doses of marijuana at first would be okay, except for the fact you'd probably develop an addiction and start to use more than you should. I'm opposed to people getting extremely drunk - personally, I'd hate to not be in control of my actions. Marijuana being illegal? I wouldn't know. But I can say that seeing people trying to justify its use is terribly annoying. If you really think that serious health problems (ones that are more instant and severe than those caused by drinking, and bad foods) are worth the risk just so you can be off your face, then your priorities are odd.