Thread: Split Marijuana Discussion

I have the same opinion about using it, as loaf. I think that drugs are bad for you. I dont believe they should be used in doing something like dreaming.

Originally Posted by Alexander1656

I have the same opinion about using it, as loaf. I think that drugs are bad for you. I dont believe they should be used in doing something like dreaming.

Don't generalize marijuana as just another 'drug'. It is unlike any other drug man has ever laid his hands on in the respect that you can use it completely unsynthesized (You're smoking a plant that grows out of the ground itself rather than chemicals mixed in a laboratory). Drugs ARE bad for you, but I do not consider pot a drug, because it is A. Not physically addictive (It's about as addictive as a good video game, there are no actual physical properties in pot that make it in any way physically addictive, meaning it's not like nicotene which actually physically addicts you. Mental addiction can be anything, you can be mentally addicted to masturbation for fuck's sake), and B. It does absolutely nothing to harm you, besides making you unmotivated due to your own actions. Lung cancer and pot are completely unassociated, and it's also been found that cigarette smokers who ALSO smoke weed LIVE LONGER. There are no known deaths as a result of smoking pot, and there is no possible way to overdose. (Maybe possible, but you'd have to smoke about 10 times your body weight).

So please, don't generalize it as just another 'drug' because it is certainly, absolutely, not. The 'gateway drug' argument is valid, but only as a result of pot prohibition. If pot were legal, you wouldn't be buying it from people who also sell other drugs and that's exactly what makes it a gateway drug. Again, there is no property of weed that could ever encourage you to want a better high, or to try a different drug, the only way it could feasibly be a gateway drug is because of the fact that is is illegal. Alcohol could be just as easily considered a gateway drug if it were illegal and you were buying it from people with other actual drugs.

I had the misconception about pot when I was growing up, and so did everyone else. We all thought it was evil shit at one point, it's just a matter of actually trying it for yourself and realizing how simple and awesome weed is. (Kind of like being afraid of an intimidating waterslide as a kid and then finally getting convinced to go on it, and completely disproving previous fears and uncertainty about the slide itself.) Booze is legal, alcohol is far more of a drug than THC (weed) will ever be. It's far, far more harmful to you than any weed will ever be - yet it's legal, smart world right?

Food for thought, please consider my words without dismissing them as misinformation as it is quality valid information, not an opinion.

Originally Posted by Sony86

Don't generalize marijuana as just another 'drug'. It is unlike any other drug man has ever laid his hands on in the respect that you can use it completely unsynthesized (You're smoking a plant that grows out of the ground itself rather than chemicals mixed in a laboratory). Drugs ARE bad for you, but I do not consider pot a drug, because it is A. Not physically addictive (It's about as addictive as a good video game, there are no actual physical properties in pot that make it in any way physically addictive, meaning it's not like nicotene which actually physically addicts you. Mental addiction can be anything, you can be mentally addicted to masturbation for fuck's sake), and B. It does absolutely nothing to harm you, besides making you unmotivated due to your own actions. Lung cancer and pot are completely unassociated, and it's also been found that cigarette smokers who ALSO smoke weed LIVE LONGER. There are no known deaths as a result of smoking pot, and there is no possible way to overdose. (Maybe possible, but you'd have to smoke about 10 times your body weight).

So please, don't generalize it as just another 'drug' because it is certainly, absolutely, not. The 'gateway drug' argument is valid, but only as a result of pot prohibition. If pot were legal, you wouldn't be buying it from people who also sell other drugs and that's exactly what makes it a gateway drug. Again, there is no property of weed that could ever encourage you to want a better high, or to try a different drug, the only way it could feasibly be a gateway drug is because of the fact that is is illegal. Alcohol could be just as easily considered a gateway drug if it were illegal and you were buying it from people with other actual drugs.

I had the misconception about pot when I was growing up, and so did everyone else. We all thought it was evil shit at one point, it's just a matter of actually trying it for yourself and realizing how simple and awesome weed is. (Kind of like being afraid of an intimidating waterslide as a kid and then finally getting convinced to go on it, and completely disproving previous fears and uncertainty about the slide itself.) Booze is legal, alcohol is far more of a drug than THC (weed) will ever be. It's far, far more harmful to you than any weed will ever be - yet it's legal, smart world right?

Food for thought, please consider my words without dismissing them as misinformation as it is quality valid information, not an opinion.

Ok, but, Lucid dreaming is something that should be axssesable by everyone. It is not ment to be something assoated with drugs. Also, I really would nver break the law(Besudes downloading a few iligle music

Originally Posted by Alexander1656

Look I know people who have gotten really sick from pot! Also when your "High" you can hurt your self a lot. I would never try pot. EVER

Wow, okay? Way to completely ignore everything I said.

Originally Posted by Sony86

Don't generalize marijuana as just another 'drug'. It is unlike any other drug man has ever laid his hands on in the respect that you can use it completely unsynthesized (You're smoking a plant that grows out of the ground itself rather than chemicals mixed in a laboratory). Drugs ARE bad for you, but I do not consider pot a drug, because it is A. Not physically addictive (It's about as addictive as a good video game, there are no actual physical properties in pot that make it in any way physically addictive, meaning it's not like nicotene which actually physically addicts you. Mental addiction can be anything, you can be mentally addicted to masturbation for fuck's sake), and B. It does absolutely nothing to harm you, besides making you unmotivated due to your own actions. Lung cancer and pot are completely unassociated, and it's also been found that cigarette smokers who ALSO smoke weed LIVE LONGER. There are no known deaths as a result of smoking pot, and there is no possible way to overdose. (Maybe possible, but you'd have to smoke about 10 times your body weight).

So please, don't generalize it as just another 'drug' because it is certainly, absolutely, not. The 'gateway drug' argument is valid, but only as a result of pot prohibition. If pot were legal, you wouldn't be buying it from people who also sell other drugs and that's exactly what makes it a gateway drug. Again, there is no property of weed that could ever encourage you to want a better high, or to try a different drug, the only way it could feasibly be a gateway drug is because of the fact that is is illegal. Alcohol could be just as easily considered a gateway drug if it were illegal and you were buying it from people with other actual drugs.

I had the misconception about pot when I was growing up, and so did everyone else. We all thought it was evil shit at one point, it's just a matter of actually trying it for yourself and realizing how simple and awesome weed is. (Kind of like being afraid of an intimidating waterslide as a kid and then finally getting convinced to go on it, and completely disproving previous fears and uncertainty about the slide itself.) Booze is legal, alcohol is far more of a drug than THC (weed) will ever be. It's far, far more harmful to you than any weed will ever be - yet it's legal, smart world right?

Food for thought, please consider my words without dismissing them as misinformation as it is quality valid information, not an opinion.

Originally Posted by Sony86

Wow, okay? Way to completely ignore everything I said.

That's how i used to look at pot.. like something bad. then i gave it a try..& my whole life made sense..

Originally Posted by inthemirror92

That's how i used to look at pot.. like something bad. then i gave it a try..& my whole life made sense..

Exactly. Like epiphany city once you try it for the first time.

Originally Posted by Alexander1656

Ok, but, Lucid dreaming is something that should be axssesable by everyone. It is not ment to be something assoated with drugs. Also, I really would nver break the law(Besudes downloading a few iligle music

That's a much more intelligent response and I thank you. I agree with you man, I don't think weed is at all nessesary for lucid dreaming as it should be mastered without any drugs just like life ultimately should. And I do not break the law by smoking weed as I have a legitimate medical marijuana lisensce.

Originally Posted by Alexander1656

Ok, but, Lucid dreaming is something that should be axssesable by everyone. It is not ment to be something assoated with drugs. Also, I really would nver break the law(Besudes downloading a few iligle music

Lucid dreaming isn't meant to be anything, its a function of life, and one of the most amazing ones I've come across.

I've also read in a few places that smoking pot and using psychedelic drugs increases a persons chances of discovering/having lucid dreams. This being because smoking pot opens up some kinds of neuro-somatic pathways and makes a person used to higher states of consciousness. I honestly don't understand the science behind it, but it makes sense at least insofar as smoking pot produces similar effects to meditation and breathing exercises. I'll try to clear this post up tomorrow if I have time, but it's late.

Originally Posted by stonedape

Lucid dreaming isn't meant to be anything, its a function of life, and one of the most amazing ones I've come across.

I've also read in a few places that smoking pot and using psychedelic drugs increases a persons chances of discovering/having lucid dreams. This being because smoking pot opens up some kinds of neuro-somatic pathways and makes a person used to higher states of consciousness. I honestly don't understand the science behind it, but it makes sense at least insofar as smoking pot produces similar effects to meditation and breathing exercises. I'll try to clear this post up tomorrow if I have time, but it's late.

Hell yeah man I completely agree with you and I know exactly what you're talking about. It totally does put you in a higher state of consciousness.

I think it is absolutely hilarious that the original poster left due to lack of argument. Face it, pot is acceptable now.

Originally Posted by Alexander1656

Read the heath risks again. You can get hurt. Also, alcohol isNOT addictive if you have a little bit of it. Some wine here and there, will not hurt you. Some whiskey everywhere will hurt you! As for pot, it hurts the people around you through second hand smoke. I have Asthma thanks to smokers! They are careless and not only causing them self harm but the people around them!

Alcohol can be addictive if you have a little bit. You are 12, stop arguing about stuff you have no knowledge about. You are OBVIOUSLY still under the influence of propaganda.

Oh.. and you can't get "second hand smoke" from inhaling used pot. You would only get high. And it's called a Contact High, not second hand smoke ahahaha...

Originally Posted by Sony86

Don't generalize marijuana as just another 'drug'. It is unlike any other drug man has ever laid his hands on in the respect that you can use it completely unsynthesized (You're smoking a plant that grows out of the ground itself rather than chemicals mixed in a laboratory). Drugs ARE bad for you, but I do not consider pot a drug, because it is A. Not physically addictive (It's about as addictive as a good video game, there are no actual physical properties in pot that make it in any way physically addictive, meaning it's not like nicotene which actually physically addicts you. Mental addiction can be anything, you can be mentally addicted to masturbation for fuck's sake), and B. It does absolutely nothing to harm you, besides making you unmotivated due to your own actions. Lung cancer and pot are completely unassociated, and it's also been found that cigarette smokers who ALSO smoke weed LIVE LONGER. There are no known deaths as a result of smoking pot, and there is no possible way to overdose. (Maybe possible, but you'd have to smoke about 10 times your body weight).

So please, don't generalize it as just another 'drug' because it is certainly, absolutely, not. The 'gateway drug' argument is valid, but only as a result of pot prohibition. If pot were legal, you wouldn't be buying it from people who also sell other drugs and that's exactly what makes it a gateway drug. Again, there is no property of weed that could ever encourage you to want a better high, or to try a different drug, the only way it could feasibly be a gateway drug is because of the fact that is is illegal. Alcohol could be just as easily considered a gateway drug if it were illegal and you were buying it from people with other actual drugs.

I had the misconception about pot when I was growing up, and so did everyone else. We all thought it was evil shit at one point, it's just a matter of actually trying it for yourself and realizing how simple and awesome weed is. (Kind of like being afraid of an intimidating waterslide as a kid and then finally getting convinced to go on it, and completely disproving previous fears and uncertainty about the slide itself.) Booze is legal, alcohol is far more of a drug than THC (weed) will ever be. It's far, far more harmful to you than any weed will ever be - yet it's legal, smart world right?

Food for thought, please consider my words without dismissing them as misinformation as it is quality valid information, not an opinion.

A drug, broadly speaking, is any substance that, when absorbed into the body of a living organism, alters normal bodily function. [source: wikipedia]
Marijuana is a substance that, when absorbed into the body of a living organism, alters normal bodily function.
Therefore, marijuana is a drug.

I think what you're actually trying to say is to not generalize marijuana as a drug with negative physical effects.

Originally Posted by Alexander1656

I have the same opinion about using it, as loaf. I think that drugs are bad for you. I dont believe they should be used in doing something like dreaming.

Drugs are bad for you, Cannabis is not a drug! That is propaganda taught to you by closed minded individuals with their own agendas at hand. If you took anytime to do research you would find out how much Cannabis helps people and how new studies have been released showing the effects of Cannabis are pretty much the opposite of what you have been told from anyone who has a negative outlook on it.

Please do some research on your own time and look into what Cannabis has to offer people and I think you will be surprised at what you find!

Originally Posted by shooshtime

Drugs are bad for you, Cannabis is not a drug! That is propaganda taught to you by closed minded individuals with their own agendas at hand. If you took anytime to do research you would find out how much Cannabis helps people and how new studies have been released showing the effects of Cannabis are pretty much the opposite of what you have been told from anyone who has a negative outlook on it.

Please do some research on your own time and look into what Cannabis has to offer people and I think you will be surprised at what you find!

Thank you.

Originally Posted by shooshtime

Drugs are bad for you, Cannabis is not a drug! That is propaganda taught to you by closed minded individuals with their own agendas at hand.

We aren't closed minded. How dare you.
It doesn't matter how you dress it up. You are inhaling smoke. Thats not healthy.

Originally Posted by Loaf

We aren't closed minded. How dare you.
It doesn't matter how you dress it up. You are inhaling smoke. Thats not healthy.

Who said I inhale smoke? Maybe you shouldn't assume things you aren't privy to? You basically just proved my point to about being closed minded, the first thing you assumed is I inhale smoke. If you knew more about cannabis you would know there are safe and healthy ways to use it!

Smoking is the most common way of use though. It wouldn't surprise me if you have had a puff before. Me assuming you inhale it doesn't make me closed
minded.

Originally Posted by Loaf

Smoking is the most common way of use though. It wouldn't surprise me if you have had a puff before. Me assuming you inhale it doesn't make me closed
minded.

First of all, he didn't call you closed-minded, you automatically assumed he did, he was calling the people who create anti-marijuana propaganda for the betterment of their businesses closed-minded - and they are.

You can use marijuana in a variety of ways, you can bake it and cook it in to any food (deliciously, I might add) and you can smoke it using a vaporizer which allows you to inhale vapor instead of smoke (which means you do not ingest and sort of tar or any other smoke substance, it's as healthy as inhaling water vapor - therfore making smoking completely %100 healthy. )

Drugs are bad for you, Cannabis is not a drug!

It's a mind altering substance, a chemical that affects the nervous system, and is therefore a drug. There's also nothing wrong with that, though it likely won't help you in dream recall.

Although, by that definition, someone really ought to launch an investigation into Fruitopia.

New topic: The Effects of Fruitopia on Lucid Dreams.
Subtopic: But Wouldn't That Require Sleep?

Originally Posted by mixism

It's a mind altering substance, a chemical that affects the nervous system, and is therefore a drug. There's also nothing wrong with that, though it likely won't help you in dream recall.

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Coffee affects the nervous system. Someone that yells at you and has you scared affects your nervous system...ffs....Coffee is a drug.

And Weed DOES help with lucid dreaming. It makes you more aware and it can pull you straight into a WILD provided you retain awareness. The reason that you think marijuana kills your recall is because your unaware in waking life anyway...so weed is only going to amplify that.

The OP sounds like he is 15 years old. Drugs are bad mmkay.

Okay, so what have we established:

- marijuana kills you

ok, this is retarded..who do YOU know that died from weed smoke alone. You also sound like your 15 years old.

Iligle drugs are iligel for a reason
(Sorry for my bad spelling!)

That is propaganda taught to you by closed minded individuals with their own agendas at hand.

We are saying it is bad. We are teaching it. Therefore he is calling us closed minded.
BTW:
Propaganda is simply ways of spreading information. Sadly the only times we talk about it is when it is missused.
Advertisements, the News (It stands for North south east and west, because it comes from all over the world. It is not the plural of new.), flyers ect. are propaganda.

Originally Posted by Alexander1656

Iligle drugs are iligel for a reason

Do you assume that none of those reasons are corrupt? Please explain why marijuana is illegal while alcohol is legal.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

Do you assume that none of those reasons are corrupt? Please explain why marijuana is illegal while alcohol is legal.

http://alcoholism.about.com/od/pot/a/effects.-Lya.htm

Originally Posted by Alexander1656

http://alcoholism.about.com/od/pot/a/effects.-Lya.htm

First of all, I am asking for your response, not somebody else's report. Were you trying to indirectly say that marijuana should be illegal because it poses certain health problems if done too much? With that reasoning, think of all of the things we need to ban, things much worse for health than marijuana. One of those things would be alcohol, which brings up the part of my challenge you neglected. Considering the name of the web site you used, how exactly did you miss the rest of my challenge?

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

Do you assume that none of those reasons are corrupt? Please explain why marijuana is illegal while alcohol is legal.

We could of course talk about tobacco (11,000 deaths per day), high fat foods (one of the top killers there is), and recreational driving (Driving/riding in automobiles is another one of the grand champions of human death.), but we can stick to alcohol for now. How many people have died because of alcohol today?

http://www.gdcada.org/statistics/alcohol.htm

Now please finish the explanation I asked you for. Thanks.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

First of all, I am asking for your response, not somebody else's report.

Oh, so perfectly good information is now invalid because someone else wrote it? Pfft.

We could of course talk about tobacco (11,000 deaths per day)

By all means do, New Zealand is considering banning cigarettes. I hope they go through with it.

Originally Posted by Loaf

Oh, so perfectly good information is now invalid because someone else wrote it? Pfft.

Do you honestly think that was my point? Do you really think I was saying the information is invalid? Pffft. As I suggested, the fact that something can cause health problems for the user is not a legitimate basis for making or keeping it illegal. Therefore, just posting a link to health statistics concerning marijuana did not answer my question. Understand?

Since you are in this and you thanked Alexander for his last post, I challenge you to address the issues I raised. Let's see what you can tell us about them.

Edit: You just added your expression of lack of respect for personal freedom when it comes to tobacco, so how about the other issues I raised?