Thread: Wikileaks vs US

Yea there's going to be a huge push for extradition. The US is trying so hard to conjure up something that they can actually charge him with. We'll see how hard the 1st amendment gets undermined here.

Originally Posted by SpecialInterests

Yea there's going to be a huge push for extradition. The US is trying so hard to conjure up something that they can actually charge him with. We'll see how hard the 1st amendment gets undermined here.

The US constitution only applies to US citizens .

But I'm wondering if the documents count as "intellectual property" of the US government, and if he could be charged in a similar (but harsher) way that the entertainment industry does for copyright materials.

This is very strange!

Al-Qaeda and its founder still working and still on the loose a decade later.
Wikilleaks and its founder? In 2 weeks he is in jail and mostly shut down!

The diference is
Wikileaks attacks the government and leaves the people alone.
Terrorists attack the people and leave the government alone.

When the governments are attacked they stop the leader. When the people are attacked they use the leader (to force patriotism and/or to excuse needless wars). Two organizations wanted by the whole world yet one always seems to slip away mysteriously. But when properly motivated the intelligence communities can find a person very quickly!

Osama bin Laden in Cave with Hooka Decor.jpg Bin Laden and his 14th century task force.

Originally Posted by Caden

This is very strange!

Al-Qaeda and its founder still working and still on the loose a decade later.
Wikilleaks and its founder? In 2 weeks he is in jail and mostly shut down!

The diference is
Wikileaks attacks the government and leaves the people alone.
Terrorists attack the people and leave the government alone.

When the governments are attacked they stop the leader. When the people are attacked they use the leader (to force patriotism and/or to excuse needless wars). Two organizations wanted by the whole world yet one always seems to slip away mysteriously. But when properly motivated the intelligence communities can find a person very quickly!

Osama bin Laden in Cave with Hooka Decor.jpg Bin Laden and his 14th century task force.

This has got to be one of the dumbest posts I've seen yet. Shame on you two, PhilosopherStoned and Xaqaria, for thanking him.

Obviously a guy walking around in a lawful country which has the highest number of CCTV cameras per capita is going to be easier to find than someone who lives in mountain caves where there is no law or infrastructure to quickly apprehend him.

meh.

It's a few weeks vs nine+ years. We've made no serious effort to capture him and reputedly squandered several opportunities to do so. Personally, I don't think capturing him is high priority (it may even be a bad idea to make a martyr out of him) but given all the talk that went into it, you would have expected it to have happened. I honestly doubt that we're even looking for him at this point.

The point is that Jullian Assange is potentially a bigger threat to the United States than someone that helped orchestrat the largest terrorist attack in its history. I think that that's a good point and worth a thanks.

Originally Posted by Black_Eagle

This has got to be one of the dumbest posts I've seen yet. Shame on you two, PhilosopherStoned and Xaqaria, for thanking him.

Obviously a guy walking around in a lawful country which has the highest number of CCTV cameras per capita is going to be easier to find than someone who lives in mountain caves where there is no law or infrastructure to quickly apprehend him.

I think the most advanced army and surveillance equipment in the world is a good substitute for 'law and infrastructure'.

Also Assange was not hiding; he told the police where he was.

Originally Posted by PhilosopherStoned

meh.

It's a few weeks vs nine+ years. We've made no serious effort to capture him and reputedly squandered several opportunities to do so. Personally, I don't think capturing him is high priority (it may even be a bad idea to make a martyr out of him) but given all the talk that went into it, you would have expected it to have happened. I honestly doubt that we're even looking for him at this point.

The point is that Jullian Assange is potentially a bigger threat to the United States than someone that helped orchestrat the largest terrorist attack in its history. I think that that's a good point and worth a thanks.

Do you believe that cave dwellers caused 9/11? I bet you do.

Originally Posted by RealWorldDreamer

Do you believe that cave dwellers caused 9/11? I bet you do.

No, i think that imperialistic policies of the United States "caused" 9/11. If it hadn't been Islamic radicals (which we originally trained and equipped to fight the soviets in the 80s) it would have been Latin American socialists.

I think that the plan was developed and carried out by "cave dwellers" and that said "cave dwellers" may or may not have had active or passive assistance from various US intelligence agencies. I'm not really up on it and don't really care about the details of that particular event enough to do the research necessary to offer a definitive opinion on it. Neither way would surprise me though.

What is so incredibly sophisticated about hijacking a few planes with box-cutters and flying them into buildings that "cave dwellers" couldn't do it? Especially given that Bin Laden is from one of the richest families on the planet and probably received a phenomenal education, and the people that actually carried out the plan didn't live in caves. Not that living in caves has anything to do with intelligence or capability. So really, what is the point of this whole "cave dweller" argument?

The most interesting thing is that the US supreme court already set precedence. A few years ago a news outlet published classified documents and the US pressed charges. The supreme court ruled that the media is free to post anything that comes into their hands as long as they don't specifically solicit it.

Originally Posted by Snowboy

Got troll?

Well It's gonna be interesting to see where this goes. I know the U.S. government is capable of stopping him one way or another. If they really wanted to. As for stopping wikileaks, that'd be much harder. After all if Assange isn't around to keep wikileaks going I know someone else will step up to the plate, probably.

I am sure he turned himself in, just to get the court stuff out the way it. Its obvious he didn't do anything wrong, and the charges are total bull. So might as well go face them in court, get the charges thrown out then carry on.

Originally Posted by Alric

I am sure he turned himself in, just to get the court stuff out the way it. Its obvious he didn't do anything wrong, and the charges are total bull. So might as well go face them in court, get the charges thrown out then carry on.

But of course, the government will do everything they can to delay and stall the process as much as humanly possible. He'll be handed a verdict seven years from now, and until then, he'll remain safely in jail.

Pretty sure that's not legal under UK law.

Originally Posted by Xei

Pretty sure that's not legal under UK law.

I'm pretty sure every country government hasn't completely followed its own laws, so I wouldn't be too surprised if they tried to delay it as much as possible.

Pretty sure there would be outcry if the UK held a foreign journalist indefinitely.

Originally Posted by Xei

Pretty sure there would be outcry if the UK held a foreign journalist indefinitely.

I never said there wouldn't be an outcry or anything.

As in the kind of outcry that builds up the longer it is ignored and eventually removes governments from power. It would be an untenable position.

Originally Posted by Xei

eventually removes governments from power

I don't think is the kind of arrest that will lead to the downfall of a nation that has been standing for many centuries. As if any arrest has led to the downfall of a government... this will probably only lead to angry notes from people that support Assange and maybe protests of some kind, but no more.

You misunderstand; we have this thing called democracy in the UK where you choose a new government by popular vote.

Originally Posted by Xei

You misunderstand; we have this thing called democracy in the UK where you choose a new government by popular vote.

Oh! I see now!

I know what democracy is. I live in the US. >.<

Naturally, you invented it.

Yay for the US, we teach democracy. One day we'll get it in the US itself

Originally Posted by PhilosopherStoned

No, i think that imperialistic policies of the United States "caused" 9/11. If it hadn't been Islamic radicals (which we originally trained and equipped to fight the soviets in the 80s) it would have been Latin American socialists.

I think that the plan was developed and carried out by "cave dwellers" and that said "cave dwellers" may or may not have had active or passive assistance from various US intelligence agencies. I'm not really up on it and don't really care about the details of that particular event enough to do the research necessary to offer a definitive opinion on it. Neither way would surprise me though.

What is so incredibly sophisticated about hijacking a few planes with box-cutters and flying them into buildings that "cave dwellers" couldn't do it? Especially given that Bin Laden is from one of the richest families on the planet and probably received a phenomenal education, and the people that actually carried out the plan didn't live in caves. Not that living in caves has anything to do with intelligence or capability. So really, what is the point of this whole "cave dweller" argument?

Did you know Bin Laden knew the Bush family and was a friend of theirs?

Bin Laden was trained by the CIA in the cold war to fight the russians.