Abiotic oil. Have you heard of it??

[poopman]

I wont waste time explaining it because the intelligent people will on their own. Abiotic oil would change a lot of ideas shared here.

[Spartiate]

poopman! How goes it?

[Xei]

Abiotic oil is a theory that oil is spontaneously formed by abiotic processes under the Earth's surface. Unfortunately there's absolutely no reason to believe this is true. Oil was formed by the condensing of organic matter thousands of years ago. Some day very soon production will start to decline and most of us will likely be in big trouble.

[poopman]

i know that people believe what they are told repeatedly but check out the following site for more info on abiotic oil. do your own research. http://mondovista.com/abioticoilx.html

[Black_Eagle]

I almost prefer it if we ran out.

[poopman]

why? you hate your species? what has caused you to do so?

[Black_Eagle]

Because if oil is actually a renewable resource, the change to cleaner energy sources will be delayed. More oil means more pollution. More pollution means an overall decrease in quality of the average human's life.

[Alric]

Except you are forgetting that most plastics are made from oil. If there is no more oil, there is no more plastic. Remove everything made from oil from your house, and you will quickly find your standard of living and quality of life has just been shattered.

[Xei]

I think it was one of the recent kings of Saudi Arabia who said it was crazy to be burning oil for energy. He said we should just be saving it to make plastics. It is possible to make plastics from biological sources of course, but we're probably over capacity for that at the moment; and certainly with current infrastructure and technology. i know that people believe what they are told repeatedly but check out the following site for more info on abiotic oil. do your own research. http://mondovista.com/abioticoilx.html Only tiny amounts of natural gas are formed abiotically, and no oil. Abiotic oil is a fantasy. Having fantasies is not altruistic, it is dangerous and irresponsible.

[Black_Eagle]

I didn't forget. That raises the question of whether or not most of the objects made from plastic really improve our lives. And if they do, is it impossible to use another substance to replace plastic? Looking around my room, many of the things I see could potentially be made from metal, glass, wood, or wicker.

[poopman]

I think it was one of the recent kings of Saudi Arabia who said it was crazy to be burning oil for energy. He said we should just be saving it to make plastics. It is possible to make plastics from biological sources of course, but we're probably over capacity for that at the moment; and certainly with current infrastructure and technology. Only tiny amounts of natural gas are formed abiotically, and no oil. Abiotic oil is a fantasy. Having fantasies is not altruistic, it is dangerous and irresponsible. i think that is probably disinfo by the very companies you are pissed off at...big oil. i work in the oil field. pretty much every member of my family works in the oil field or natural gas fields. so shut up man.

[Xei]

If you put up a thread for public discussion, what you can't do is tell anybody with a contrary opinion to shut up. What's wrong with you? None of these ridiculous 'big oil', 'big pharma', 'big co' conspiracies ever hold any water. People say human greed keeps these things together, but even if that were so (I find the idea that a group of thousands of people couldn't contain a single altruistic person rather cynical) it doesn't make any sense, because there'd be plenty of money in producing abiotic oil. Or even just exposing abiotic oil and betting on the price of crude falling, you could make millions. This is science we're talking about. Peer reviewed, impartial academia. I didn't forget. That raises the question of whether or not most of the objects made from plastic really improve our lives. And if they do, is it impossible to use another substance to replace plastic? Looking around my room, many of the things I see could potentially be made from metal, glass, wood, or wicker. Metal and glass in particular are actually worse. They take a lot of energy to refine and shape, and then because they weigh so much they take a lot of oil to transport. But yes, there's probably a lot of room for alternatives.

[Spartiate]

Metal and glass in particular are actually worse. They take a lot of energy to refine and shape, and then because they weigh so much they take a lot of oil to transport. But yes, there's probably a lot of room for alternatives. That wouldn't be so bad if the energy used didn't come from fossil fuel based power plants.

[poopman]

If you put up a thread for public discussion, what you can't do is tell anybody with a contrary opinion to shut up. What's wrong with you? None of these ridiculous 'big oil', 'big pharma', 'big co' conspiracies ever hold any water. People say human greed keeps these things together, but even if that were so (I find the idea that a group of thousands of people couldn't contain a single altruistic person rather cynical) it doesn't make any sense, because there'd be plenty of money in producing abiotic oil. Or even just exposing abiotic oil and betting on the price of crude falling, you could make millions. This is science we're talking about. Peer reviewed, impartial academia. Metal and glass in particular are actually worse. They take a lot of energy to refine and shape, and then because they weigh so much they take a lot of oil to transport. But yes, there's probably a lot of room for alternatives. Please explain oil being found in super deep wells all over the world at very high pressure. 40000 ft wells are expensive to drill, therefore we drill for more shallow reserves right now but there is plenty there. check it out, genius.

[poopman]

Please explain oil being found in super deep wells all over the world at very high pressure. 40000 ft wells are expensive to drill, therefore we drill for more shallow reserves right now but there is plenty there. check it out, genius. here are a few interesting ideas i forgot to include, xei. 1. Oil being discovered at 30,000 feet, far below the 18,000 feet where organic matter is no longer found. 2. Wells pumped dry later replenished. 3. Volume of oil pumped thus far not accountable from organic material alone according to present models.

[Black_Eagle]

here are a few interesting ideas i forgot to include, xei. 1. Oil being discovered at 30,000 feet, far below the 18,000 feet where organic matter is no longer found. 2. Wells pumped dry later replenished. 3. Volume of oil pumped thus far not accountable from organic material alone according to present models. Source, plz.

[poopman]

Source, plz. At 30,000 feet down, where were the dinosaurs?

[Alric]

There are places in the ocean that go down that deep, and you have to take in account things were millions of years ago. So while I am not an expert on the subject, my guess would be that we are talking sea creatures not dinosaurs.

[Black_Eagle]

At 30,000 feet down, where were the dinosaurs? That's from the same website with headlines such as "Mosque supporters matched by 9/11 'truthers'Obama 'is declaring his party's values are those of the elite, not normal Americans'" and "How 'moderate' Muslims are Islamizing America." I've also researched the author of that article a bit. He is not a scientist and he has written two conservative books bashing Democrats, both of which have been criticized for numerous factual errors. Not credible. If you can present a paper written by actual scientists, maybe somebody in here will acknowledge your claim.

[poopman]

That's from the same website with headlines such as "Mosque supporters matched by 9/11 'truthers'Obama 'is declaring his party's values are those of the elite, not normal Americans'" and "How 'moderate' Muslims are Islamizing America." I've also researched the author of that article a bit. He is not a scientist and he has written two conservative books bashing Democrats, both of which have been criticized for numerous factual errors. Not credible. If you can present a paper written by actual scientists, maybe somebody in here will acknowledge your claim. World's deepest oil well may rival Alaskan field in production | Lubbock Online | Lubbock Avalanche-Journal RIGZONE - ExxonMobil Drills World-Record Well Zistersdorf: The Deepest Well in Europe With a TD of 8553 m [28,061 ft] the list goes on and on my friend. dont label me a right wing extremist. you are just a bunch of lemmings repeating shit universities say. there are intelligent people and there are educated idiots with an agenda you faggola.

[Sornaensis]

I'm pretty sure he was asking for a credible source, not further links to propaganda.

[poopman]

I'm pretty sure he was asking for a credible source, not further links to propaganda. our history (text version) there ya go dip. right off of exxons own site. scroll to the bottom.

[Black_Eagle]

World's deepest oil well may rival Alaskan field in production | Lubbock Online | Lubbock Avalanche-Journal RIGZONE - ExxonMobil Drills World-Record Well Zistersdorf: The Deepest Well in Europe With a TD of 8553 m [28,061 ft] the list goes on and on my friend. dont label me a right wing extremist. you are just a bunch of lemmings repeating shit universities say. there are intelligent people and there are educated idiots with an agenda you faggola. I didn't label you anything. If I have to choose between what "educated idiots" say, who actually go out into the field and conduct unbiased tests and research, and what some non-scientist guy on the internet says.... I'm going to choose the educated one. our history (text version) there ya go dip. right off of exxons own site. scroll to the bottom. So what have you proven? You have proven that there have been oil wells drilled around 30,000 feet. Now you have to prove your other affirmations in post number 15. Since you haven't provided any backing for numbers 2 and 3, I'll focus on the second part of number 1. You say there is no organic matter below 30,000 feet. I can think of two ways in which this false: 1. The ocean dips around or below 30,000 feet in some places, and we know creatures live on the bottom of the ocean, which is deeper than 30,000 feet and therefore their fossils would end up below 30,000 feet aswell. 2. Organic matter at 15,000 feet might get shoved further down by tectonic plates. In order to prove your assertions, you have to rule out all of the other possibilities. Here's an interesting fact: the drill from the article from that Rigzone link was drilled in Sakhalin, Russia, which happens to be right along a tectonic plate fault line. Correlation does not mean causation, but your case is looking pretty flimsy.

[Sornaensis]

Oil is a hydrocarbon. It's organic. What is the contradiction?

[poopman]

I didn't label you anything. here is a link of a well in the gulf that is 30k deep. no tectonic plates there. explain it because i know you wont just accept the fact that there is oil where it shouldnt be according to academia. So what have you proven? You have proven that there have been oil wells drilled around 30,000 feet. Now you have to prove your other affirmations in post number 15. Since you haven't provided any backing for numbers 2 and 3, I'll focus on the second part of number 1. You say there is no organic matter below 30,000 feet. I can think of two ways in which this false: 1. The ocean dips around or below 30,000 feet in some places, and we know creatures live on the bottom of the ocean, which is deeper than 30,000 feet and therefore their fossils would end up below 30,000 feet aswell. 2. Organic matter at 15,000 feet might get shoved further down by tectonic plates. In order to prove your assertions, you have to rule out all of the other possibilities. Here's an interesting fact: the drill from the article from that Rigzone link was drilled in Sakhalin, Russia, which happens to be right along a tectonic plate fault line. Correlation does not mean causation, but your case is looking pretty flimsy. Five Miles Deep: Pumping Oil from the Bottom of the Gulf If I have to choose between what "educated idiots" say, who actually go out into the field and conduct unbiased tests and research, and what some non-scientist guy on the internet says.... I'm going to choose the educated one.