Who needs government disinformation when you have FOX news. |
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Hey, I just have a question. I have a great deal of difficultly discerning what is strictly real and what is not (probably in part because of my understanding of dreams), so I struggle with the idea that everything I know could be a huge experiment (Truman Show style). One element that I grapple with that isn't as all-encompassing as this is the idea that our government could be flooding the country with disinformation to keep us confused. This was a common tactic in the Cold War, to send BS information at the enemy so that they couldn't tell what was real and what wasn't. |
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Who needs government disinformation when you have FOX news. |
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Do you think it's safe to post such a question on a public forums? Maybe the government will end you while you're sleeping tonight. |
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i actually agree with someone here. i think the government (under the control of very very rich banking elite who own most of everything, oil, pharmaceutical, technology, food) is trying to confuse the masses with too much info that contradicts a lot of the time. its the reason to pick a topic and remain focused....something most people have a hard time with, nowadays. |
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Yes, lots of disinformation. Research everything you want to have an opinion about. |
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Of course there is. If you actually believe what the government tells you, you are an idiot. They come out often and flat out lie to people. Like how they said the health care bill would save a ton of money, when its mathematically impossible. |
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I wouldn't go so far as to say "deliberately lie to the populace." But, I do think that it is in the government's interest to keep the people occupied with petty things, rather than what really happens under the table with those of elected office. |
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The Emperor Wears No Clothes: The book that everyone needs to read."If the words "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" don't include the right to experiment with your own consciousness, then the Declaration of Independence isn't worth the hemp it was written on."- Terence McKenna
Oh, you're from the US? Wow, I didn't realise you were actually connected to the real internet... |
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I would go that far, I think they lie to people all the time on purpose with full knowledge of what they are doing. |
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There is a long history of government coverups in military and politics to keep the public happy and unaware. I don't think it's one large conspiracy though, rather just a series of unrelated ones. |
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The burden of proof lies with the one making the claim
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Does it matter what anyone says, claims, or believes if one does not have the ability to know for certain how to think or speak in truth? |
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Last edited by Philosopher8659; 09-02-2010 at 03:50 PM.
Fortunately, we have the internet which connects people from all over the world. Sure, it si filled with lots of disinformation, too. But most of it is not government created disinformation. Anyone can put stuff up on the internet so no one group can have a monpoly on it's data. This, what we are on right now, is the ultimate anti-propaganda machine. Not to say it is the ultimate enemy of ignorance, not at all, but that it turned people's information flow from a fairly easily controlled river to an untamable ocean. |
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just look up the gulf of tonkin. one of the main reasons we went to war with Vietnam, the government claimed, was that a navy ship of ours was attacked by the Vietnamese. there was NEVER such an attack. it is fully admitted and almost never talked about. certainly never on the mainstream news. iran contra is another example of government being less than honest and ethical. |
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Nurse Nayirah back in 1991 is also a good example of very effective war propaganda. |
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What would government have to gain from lying to the general public? Individuals within the government might have something to gain, but the government as a whole wouldn't gain anything. |
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Uh, the government lying to people is not new. Nixon told people HMO were to help the sick, LBJ said Vietnam was to prevent the spread of communism, Bush told us Iraq was about WMDs, Reagan told us that cutting the taxes of the top 1% in half would boost the economy, the military told us that they don't torture prisoners, the senate told us smoking marijuana and doing LSD would cause incurable psychosis, and helplessly addict us, Nixon said Tom Leary was the most dangerous man alive, Bush told us the PATRIOT act was only to be used on suspected terrorists. Everything I mentioned was later revealed to be a deliberate lie. |
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You should look up some of the old WW2 propaganda that the government put out. In WW2 they put out so much bullshit, you couldn't step out of your house without getting smacked in the face with propaganda telling you to support the war. With it far behind us we can easily see how the people were manipulated by the government to support the war that most Americans never wanted to be in, in the first place. |
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Every government in the history of people has been corrupt. Who cares.... |
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Look, some of that stuff is flat out lying, but some of that is good old-fashioned all-american stupidity. I think LBJ and Nixon at least thought that part of the goal was to get rid of communism, Dubya really believed that there were WMDs, and the Senate based their ruling on a few exceptional cases. |
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If it wasn't for the media and the government lying, nobody would have marched through any city because the people of Vietnam would have elected Ho Chi Minh and the communist party into power. As part of our policy of making sure that any communist government either fails or falls under the influence of an established and corrupt 'communist' government, we went to war with them to make sure that that happened. There was never any need to 'win' the war. We won it just by fighting it. If we had just let democracy take it's course, there would have been no war in the first place. |
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How did we win it at all? Our goal was to either A. stop the spread of communism, (which was all the Truman Doctorine really was,) or B. drain the resources of established communist governments. Since Vietnam did eventually become communist we lost goal A and since the war cost the US far more than any of our major enemies, we failed on goal B, as well. We didn't go into Vietnam to make sure Russia or China took control of it. |
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Last edited by PhilosopherStoned; 10-27-2010 at 02:30 AM.
Remember the scare tactics about marijuana, LSD, and psilocybin in high school? Careful, smoking pot will make you schitzo Almost all of the misinformation there came from the conservative government of the early half of the 20th century. |
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Last edited by ninja9578; 10-28-2010 at 04:37 AM.
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