Thread: ABORTION: Where do you stand?

Originally Posted by Spartiate

Ad hominem.



I also hunt animals. I'm sure PETA wants to see me in jail as much as you. Different groups have different sets of morals. Do you know that many muslim countries would have you stoned for getting pregnant outside of wedlock? Do you know how many millions of people would like to see you stoned? Take this into consideration while you try to pass judgement on me.



Ad hominem. Arguments not insults.



I'm sorry but you are not here to be convinced. You have made your choice which is deeply influenced by your past experience. There's no way that some dude on the internet is going to make your way of thinking do a 180˚ in a few hours.



I have done so numerous times. The fact that you don't agree with my definition of a person doesn't change my perception of one. What is your definition of a person? Is a zygote a person?



Never will you find, no matter how lame or disabled, a person with less experience or personal interaction than a fetus. Like I said, I draw the line somewhere, at birth. No matter how insignificant, after birth you have lived an experience or directly affected another human being.



Clearly you are not acting impartially and trying to collect data. You are pushing an agenda and are hostile to those that don't share your mindset. Are you trying to understand why we think abortion is OK or are you trying to attack our way of thinking?



So what are you going to do with that 16 year old that got an abortion? Fine, prison, death penalty?

I'm not "passing judgement" on you. I'm calling it how I see it. Abortion is a selfish choice. Pure and simple. Maybe I should whine that you're "judging" me by calling me judgemental.

Let's not get PETA involved in this, good Lord. Do we really need another thing to argue about? Also, I'm sure many cultures probably would have stoned the shit out of me by now, and that's cool. I live in America, so hopefully I won't run into those problems.

You have not given me an inclusive, solid answer on what you consider a life form needs to have in order to be considered a person, and therefore of value enough not to kill. I keep questioning you, and you keep adding to the list. You say they need experiences and personal interaction to make them worthwhile, but that falls apart when you take into consideration the tons of people that will never have an intelligent conversation with anyone. How is my 30 year old son sitting in a wheelchair, drooling onto his own shirt and staring blankly at me possibly more valuable than a 40 week old "fetus"? He serves ZERO purpose, and I don't want him. I should, by your logic, be able to kill him. Is it different because a baby is smaller and can't scream when you kill it? What, exactly, makes a mentally retarded man who does nothing except make someone care for him more valuable then a baby?

Also, I cannot really act impartially on most things in life. I'm a very passionate person, and I have opinions on EVERYTHING. That's just the way I am, sorry. I'm not trying to attack you so much as to get you to fully explain yourself. Some things I've said haven't been the nicest, but it's not like you're sweet as pie either.

That 16 year old? Well, in a perfect world, her parents would have taught her that you don't kill something just because you don't want it, and she would have listened. But...life isn't perfect, and I don't know all the answers. I am not here to say what should or should not be legal, or the penalties for breaking the law.