Thread: Is this how USA police work?

Originally Posted by KingYoshi

Nah, more like supporting a friend. You know, having your brothers back when someone is trying to degrade them. It is what friends are for and I'll stand by ninja on this matter through and through. I expect he would do the same for me as well. The Dream Guides are very active. We know what is going on in these forums and we all support each other...like a family. That is how it should always be. Call it how you wish.

xD

Originally Posted by Unelias

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I'll be addressing your post as a whole, so I've omitted the text to save room on the page

Very nicely put. If you spar the way I prefer to, I would love to spar with you some day, I always enjoy sparring with those who I believe to be of higher talent than I. I don't often get the opportunity to, as most aren't.

I enjoyed your words about chi, you seem to have the same view of in as I do. Very advanced for the time, but modern science has taken over. I believe martial arts should not be rooted deeply in tradition, as as knowledge changes, circumstances change, so too should martial arts. Respect for tradition is fine, blindly following it without questioning why, is another.

I've been trained in the technique you called dim mak. The death touch, no? I know how it is performed, but I don't believe it works. I believe it worked once, and legend of it spread and got distorted by word of mouth, as things often do. Theoretically, it could work, a large blow to the chest can cause palpitation of the heart, but you have to hit it at exactly the right time, which would purely come down to luck, and it would not be an instant kill like in the movies, it would lead to a heart attack, nothing mystical about it. Would it work? Yes. Is it pure luck? Yes.

You are right, I don't dedicate myself to martial arts, my full time job makes that impossible. I've been out of training for some time now, only practicing maybe once a week, and I've not taught in a year, although I get called to assist others with seminars from time to time. I've been trying to get back into it, but I keep injuring myself running or lifting.

I too detest masters and organization who capitalize on training for no reason other than to make money. I was once in a style called Soo Bahk Do. I was ready to test for my blackbelt in it, but first I had to write an essay about what the Soo Bahk Do Federation meant to me, and then pay them $500 for just the opportunity to test. I wrote the essay, it was a scathing letter about how the Soo Bahk Do Federation meant to me was a corporate bastardization of martial arts who taught everyone the same way, despite the fact that a 250 pound man needs a very different self defense set from a 90 pound woman. I made my students learn all the karate katas and all of the standard techniques, but I made sure they know well the ones that were relevant to them, and I added additional non-standard techniques from other disciplines as well. I digress, anyway, I sent in the essay (without a check) and immediately quit the do jang. I still have that redbelt somewhere, and I took from the style a few kata that I found useful, and taught them when I taught.

More than fight you, I would love to participate in one of your classes. You understanding of what martial arts is really for seems dead on to me, and I find that rare now a days. MMA dojos seem to be cropping up all over the place now, and I dislike them. Sport is fun, I fought in many MMA tournaments before breaking my thumb in a tae kwon do match. Now I don't have the grip to compete in MMA at a high level, but I occasionally go with students. I dislike MMA specific dojos because they teach people how to aggressively beat other people up, not calmly defend yourself from a self defense situation. I don't think martial arts should be aggressive, only when necessary. In my opinion, the best self defense situation is usually a kick in the crotch or stomach, and running away. I've never seen an MMA guy get mugged, but my assumption is, they would tackle them and try to submit or ground-and-pound them. In the former, a submission is useless, if you armbar a mugger, then what? He's not gonna tap out and walk away, and if you really hurt someone, that's illegal. You can defend yourself, but once the attacker is incapacitated, and you keep going, you become the aggressor.

Anyway, nice sharing my views of martial arts and hearing yours. See you around the forums.

Originally Posted by Seroquel

I lol'd too. Quoting the DEA on marijuana is like quoting Bush on islam. I love how what the DEA tells you is always the worst case scenario. I've never known anyone who smoke 5 joints a week, most people smoke a bong. I would also love to see what an "emergency room marijuana mentions" is. Lol. What could possibly have happened to put someone in the er? It's not possible to overdose, maybe they were high and accidentally cut themselves while preparing a meal? Lol, alcohol fucks you up just as much.

I loved the long term consequences part. I guess that's why all the hippies from the 60s all died out? Oh wait, those are our parents, and they are all doing just fine.

I particularly loved this part:

memory loss, distorted perception, trouble with thinking and problem solving, loss of motor skills, decrease in muscle strength, increased heart rate, and anxiety.

That lasts all but 4 hours, and booze has the same effect And the problem solving thing is bogus, it makes you more creative, hence a better problem solving. If I'm stuck on how to do something at work, I find a night getting nice and baked will help me solve the problem.

I think he is getting his information about pot from this:

How great is refer madness? Oh man, I laughed so hard the first time I saw it

Originally Posted by ninja9578

I've been trained in the technique you called dim mak. The death touch, no? I know how it is performed, but I don't believe it works. I believe it worked once, and legend of it spread and got distorted by word of mouth, as things often do. Theoretically, it could work, a large blow to the chest can cause palpitation of the heart, but you have to hit it at exactly the right time, which would purely come down to luck, and it would not be an instant kill like in the movies, it would lead to a heart attack, nothing mystical about it. Would it work? Yes. Is it pure luck? Yes.

That is hardly the infamous touch of death. As you said there is nothing mystical in severe strike to the chest. The dim mak legend is more like the variant you see in Kill Bill. A triggering of various nerve points in exact order which causes your body to start a chain reaction, which eventually leads to organ failure and death. According to many sources this could go on for weeks or such. Mystifications like such have troubled martial arts for centuries and still proceed to give precautions to people. Nerve strikes do work, but they are unreliable and differ to people to people. But I have been nerve knocked many times and trained with those who know how to control body nerve channels. It is painful and interesting at the same time. Check Kyoshojutsu for examples, that is the version we train here in Finland ( European Kyosho Jutsu Tuite). Naturally, there is lot of bullshit and exaggeration in that subject too.

I wait for Ne-Yo to answer if there is a need to discuss these things more. We have drifted away from the original topic quite enough, but I have nothing new to add to it. I look forward to discuss with you later. And if you ever stumble you way under the northern skies, I am glad to train with you too.

Originally Posted by Unelias

That is hardly the infamous touch of death. As you said there is nothing mystical in severe strike to the chest. The dim mak legend is more like the variant you see in Kill Bill. A triggering of various nerve points in exact order which causes your body to start a chain reaction, which eventually leads to organ failure and death. According to many sources this could go on for weeks or such. Mystifications like such have troubled martial arts for centuries and still proceed to give precautions to people. Nerve strikes do work, but they are unreliable and differ to people to people. But I have been nerve knocked many times and trained with those who know how to control body nerve channels. It is painful and interesting at the same time. Check Kyoshojutsu for examples, that is the version we train here in Finland ( European Kyosho Jutsu Tuite). Naturally, there is lot of bullshit and exaggeration in that subject too.

I wait for Ne-Yo to answer if there is a need to discuss these things more. We have drifted away from the original topic quite enough, but I have nothing new to add to it. I look forward to discuss with you later. And if you ever stumble you way under the northern skies, I am glad to train with you too.

Oh... that's not at all what I was taught at all; I was taught "dim mak" as a short fast punch to the middle of the chest.. But yeah, movie magic isn't reality at all, and I've never heard about it in real martial arts. Again, it's possible it did happen once, they hit a bunch of places, one of them caused a severe reaction and the person died. Or maybe they died from something else and someone happened to be touching them at the time. Stories like that tend to come from real stories, but get insanely exaggerated *cough the bible.*

Yes this is how USA police work. You have no civil rights. You mention civil rights to a lawyer and they will laugh at you. The only way you can pull that "civil rights' card is if you have A LOT of money for an honest lawyer that actually fights cases and will represent you. The justice system is a joke. A lot of lawyers won't even help you because 9 times out of 10 their corrupt and working with the prosecutor. Police can literally beat the crap out of you if you even yell or curse at them. They make it so their justified, and people will always believe the police over you, because they wear a badge and a uniform. They beat people ( sometimes even to death, and cover it up), they rape women, they lie, they steal from people.

You think criminals are evil? HA. You'd better wake up, try the people that are in power.

If you think liberty, truth, and justice mean anything in this society your in for an awakening that's rude. I hate to be so blunt, but we are definitely in a police state. People are just to dumb to realize it. Don't get me wrong not all cops, judges and lawyers, etc. are bad, there are some good people out there who still have their humanity...but a LOT of them are bad...and I mean a lot

Police Beat 'Gentle' Homeless, Mentally Ill Man to Death

The picture of him in the hospital is really horrible.

The LA area police is famous for cracking skulls... I think that resorting to violence should be regarded as a failure by the police to control the situation.