Thread: Insight - How can a drug teach?

Originally Posted by Omnis Dei

Truth is felt through the realization of truth and sober works just fine for that, but it's like trying to win the superbowl without steroids.

Personally, I've been able to reach incredible altered states of consciousness without the use of drugs. My friend who did LSD didn't get any spiritual truth from it--all he saw was melting faces. I really think it depends on the person.

Originally Posted by Naiya

Personally, I've been able to reach incredible altered states of consciousness without the use of drugs. My friend who did LSD didn't get any spiritual truth from it--all he saw was melting faces. I really think it depends on the person.

This may not have been the case, but in my experience, your friend didn't get very powerful LSD. I've taken acid that makes things "melt" and wave and generally I hallucinate a lot, but nothing will compare to the LSD I had the luck of getting twice. The hallucinations weren't just more intense, they were much more deep. From the other acid I simply felt excited and kind of giggly, and I hallucinated a lot. This other acid though, it was crazy how different it was. I felt like I was losing my place in space-time. I literally thought I got stuck in a time loop because my mind was doing such a good job of convincing me that I had already seen, heard, felt and experienced everything I was right then. I really felt as though the things I was experiencing were already in my memory. My body felt like some intensity was being brought upon it to the point that I nearly couldn't take it anymore, but at the same time I couldn't really go over the edge. My friends had similar descriptions, but more like their body felt so good they couldn't take it anymore. I could see that somewhat, but I digress. The point is, this powerful acid really changed my perspective at the time. I could so readily believe any explanation my mind conjured up for anything, it was like I was a little kid (possibly even farther back than that), that I had regressed to the point at which I didn't see things from a day-to-day perspective, like everything I was taking in was new. Even the most worldly and mundane things inspired me. I could literally sit and stare the entirety of one of those acid trips because everything was so beautiful, it all made sense, and it was so... amazing.

I've had experience with altered states with dissociatives as well, namely Delsym. I will admit that I believed, felt, and experienced some very... different things, but overall I was and felt too fucked up to really say that it provided me with any kind of insight. Not to mention I couldn't focus my eyes on it, ever. I will say that many of those experiences were more like dreams in a way, though. I never really felt my body, not like numbness but it just wasn't there--hence dissociative I guess, lol.

One thing common to both of those drugs was time distortion--more specifically, dilation. After a while I got so used to it on Delsym that it didn't seem as though time were really all that distorted. On acid it never changed, though. On the plateau not as much, but during the peak it was ridiculous.