Occupy Dreamviews

**Original Poster** · 01-05-2012 02:49 AM

When we've lost all control over food, water and power what reason will there remain to hold up the illusion that we live in a democracy?

**Loaf** · 01-05-2012 02:51 AM

Originally Posted by tommo

Oh and Loaf, no it is not just America specific. Even if you discount the companies and bankers which operate almost everywhere, there is still massive corruption in other countries in the police force and government.

I've heard people say "Oh, but it's really not that bad here". The only reason they say that is because they aren't slaves and/or society has not collapsed.... yet.

The issue here is definitely not as bad as America.

Originally Posted by tommo

It doesn't cost anything....

Actually the damage to public property, the litter, and the constant police intervention from all the drama sparking at the camps here is costing time and money. Its a nuisance and the focus from the protesters in New Zealand is all over the place. Its quite embarrassing actually.

Originally Posted by tommo

Have you actually been to the protests, or are you basing your hippy remarks off the news?

My opinions are formed after reading blogs, official websites, etc. Please, give me some credit; the media always needs to be taken with a grain of salt.

Originally Posted by tommo

Because, it's likely the former, and if I just go ahead and call you a sheep fucker....
Well, I'm sure that doesn't really represent you very well does it? Even if you do fuck sheep, that's not all there is to you. And I know you do. Since you live in New Zealand.

Please don't be racist. I'm not sure exactly what point you are trying to make, but that is quite offensive and does little else but discredit you further.

Originally Posted by Omnis Dei

Looking at New Zealand, it seems that your government's reaction to the protests is reason enough for them to exist. Also the same international banks that pushed the US into a depression have branches in NZ and they're towing your country down the same road.

The governments response? They offered protesters somewhere to go to continue their protest. What terrible people!

Also there are very few international banks in New Zealand. Most are New Zealand or Australia founded. Only one of them, Westpac, has operation that could be considered international.

**cmind** · 01-05-2012 03:53 AM

Originally Posted by Xaqaria

You have no clue what the protesters want, do you? I can confidently make such a claim because anyone making such sweeping generalizations about the people who have become involved in the occupy movement must have no idea what is going on. It isn't a particular type of people this time; everyone is protesting. You cannot polarize this because there are just too many different people that any attempts to label becomes absurd. What about the democrats? What have you done to get Obama to stand trial for the murder of Anwar al-Aulaqi? I'd bet money that the answer is absolutely nothing. It's always about what "they" are doing or not doing and not about what you are or are not doing, isn't it? They are doing something. What are you doing?

You're shifting goal posts. I'm making specific reference to the people who say that Bush and the "bankers" are criminals, yet completely ignore the democrats that theoretically are guilty of precisely the same crimes.

**Original Poster** · 01-05-2012 06:51 AM

Originally Posted by Loaf

The governments response? They offered protesters somewhere to go to continue their protest. What terrible people!

Also there are very few international banks in New Zealand. Most are New Zealand or Australia founded. Only one of them, Westpac, has operation that could be considered international.

OCCUPY NZ This is your nation's Occupy site so you can see what their purpose is first hand because all I'm doing is guessing.

Here's an article about your government's response to the protest Occupy Auckland protesters issued trespass notice | Stuff.co.nz

And here's some information on New Zealand's banking system. You were right that only one of your major banks (Westpac) is not owned by Australia. Still, it's interesting that 99% of the assets in your banking system is foreign owned. http://centre-banking-studies.massey...ofPayments.pdf

**Loaf** · 01-05-2012 07:05 AM

The protesters were screwing over a public space. They were offered a place to go. They refused and stayed where they were, a choice that became more unpopular as there were fights and increasing crime in the area because of their camp. I do not support what they did, they deserved that notice.

Freedom of speech is fine. But they were wrecking a part of their city.

**Original Poster** · 01-05-2012 07:23 AM

I suppose that's a valid opinion but another valid opinion would be that all the people not protesting are destroying society by enabling this widespread corruption to continue. It's called Occupy for a reason.

**Xaqaria** · 01-05-2012 10:32 PM

Originally Posted by cmind

You're shifting goal posts. I'm making specific reference to the people who say that Bush and the "bankers" are criminals, yet completely ignore the democrats that theoretically are guilty of precisely the same crimes.

Shifting goal posts? You said "The protesters vote democrat". You aren't making specific reference to anything, you are lumping a huge group of people together and making sweeping and ignorant generalizations about them.

**cmind** · 01-06-2012 12:20 AM

Originally Posted by Xaqaria

Shifting goal posts? You said "The protesters vote democrat". You aren't making specific reference to anything, you are lumping a huge group of people together and making sweeping and ignorant generalizations about them.

I'm sorry, you've totally lost me in your web of 'he saids'.