Thread: Occupy Dreamviews

No. Thar's ridiculous. People don't want to pay for a lot of things, but we're ALL better off if they do.
Some people do not have foresight nor enough intelligence to see the bigger picture. So people who do, have to think for them, in a way.
Taxes are a good thing, most of the time. Obviously they can be used for bad things, like war. With healthcare for example, even though you might not need it right away, you will eventually.
Everyone does. Most people don't think about that though, so they wouldn't pay for that.

Then the entire healthcare system goes to shit and people who had enough intelligence get screwed over. Good system bro.

Originally Posted by tommo

No. Thar's ridiculous. People don't want to pay for a lot of things, but we're ALL better off if they do.

He knows, he's saying that if we're all better off then people won't have a problem paying for them.

Some people do not have foresight nor enough intelligence to see the bigger picture. So people who do, have to think for them, in a way.

Wait... you mean politicians?? LOL.

Don't you think that saying 'you are too stupid to agree with me that this is a good idea so I'll just force you to pay for it' is a bit concerning?

If your idea is so good, convince whoever you're talking to, and then they'll pay for it.

If they don't agree, that's none of your business; go talk to somebody else.

And why have you tried to portray the intelligentsia as a benevolent and unified whole? People with intelligence can have vastly different opinions on what to do about something.

And why do you think people who vote are especially intelligent anyway?

There are so many problems with what you are saying...

Originally Posted by tommo

No. Thar's ridiculous. People don't want to pay for a lot of things, but we're ALL better off if they do.
Some people do not have foresight nor enough intelligence to see the bigger picture. So people who do, have to think for them, in a way.
Taxes are a good thing, most of the time. Obviously they can be used for bad things, like war. With healthcare for example, even though you might not need it right away, you will eventually.
Everyone does. Most people don't think about that though, so they wouldn't pay for that.

Then the entire healthcare system goes to shit and people who had enough intelligence get screwed over. Good system bro.

Well who's "big picture?" Why should we allow say someone like you to tell us what is good for us? Why is theft justifiable if it is the government but not if it is a common thug? What you are basically espousing is

I need my agents to steal from you because you do not know what is best for you and my agents do. In order to subsidize my agents in doing these good deeds for you, they are also required to steal from others.



Truely this is the great fiction that Bastiat was discussing when it comes to people trying to live at the expense of other people.

And yes the healthcare system is certainly failing because people are not stealing quickly enough from one another

Originally Posted by Laughing Man

Well who's "big picture?" Why should we allow say someone like you to tell us what is good for us? Why is theft justifiable if it is the government but not if it is a common thug? What you are basically espousing is

I need my agents to steal from you because you do not know what is best for you and my agents do. In order to subsidize my agents in doing these good deeds for you, they are also required to steal from others.

Truely this is the great fiction that Bastiat was discussing when it comes to people trying to live at the expense of other people.

And yes the healthcare system is certainly failing because people are not stealing quickly enough from one another

Yeah, providing healthcare for people who can't afford thousands per year is so BAAAAAAD....

All you have to do is look at US healthcare vs, any nation which has public healthcare. Then apply that to anything else 99.9% of people use.
You have no good argument. Just admit it.
It is best for the majority, if not every single person in that country. That is how I know my opinion is right. Not everything is subjective.

Originally Posted by tommo

Yeah, providing healthcare for people who can't afford thousands per year is so BAAAAAAD....

All you have to do is look at US healthcare vs, any nation which has public healthcare. Then apply that to anything else 99.9% of people use.
You have no good argument. Just admit it.
It is best for the majority, if not every single person in that country. That is how I know my opinion is right. Not everything is subjective.

You didn't address a single thing he said.

I would imagine he thinks providing healthcare is a very good thing, and thus would spend a lot of his own money on such a cause.

Also, your strawman fails to even be consistent because it implies that virtually everything people use should be provided by the state, yet you are not a communist. In fact it doesn't even make sense in the basic case, US healthcare is superior to the healthcare in many countries with public healthcare, this is obvious.