Thread: Intesting video on Racial Identity

Spanish people from Spain are white. Arabs are white. Jews are White. British and French people who fought each other all the time in thier history are both white. A great deal of people in Mexico are white, or half white. White is to vague of a term for people to group everyone together as a racial group. They also have way different cultures from one another.

If whites ever become a minority we will just changes the labels to make white Hispanics and Arabs who are both actually white to begin with, to white on paper. And then the problem is fixed!

I think all the worrying about other races is silly. Especially with the huge population of the earth. I mean you can probably find a billion or two 'white people'. So what does it matter if your a minority, you can still easily find a a huge group of your 'race' any where you look. Even if you take really small groups percentage wise, they can still find tons of people to hang out with a similar culture or background, if they wanted.

Trying to figure out 'races' is a futile attempt, since all the races mix together. Often skin color can be a poor way to identify people to begin with, as there are other bigger differences. You can't just take arbitrary groups of people and lump them together and call them a race, and then do the same with other people. The best you can do is divided people into cultures, but people can have vastly different cultures and look similar or similar cultures and look very different.

In 500 years there probably will not be any whites anymore, because all the races will be so mixed, no one will be able to tell them apart. Heck, people are bad at telling them apart even today.

I think its fairly clear that he is a racist and an alarmist. While he may have some valid points a lot of it is overly exaggerated and twisted to scare people. Like saying America would become a third world country. He is kind of a smooth talker, but I don't really buy anything he is saying. I am also not worried about my "white position" in the world.

I dont identify as white. I identify as homo sapien.

A great sentiment stromcrow. Reminds me of this: http://www.imdb.com/video/screenplay/vi1499989273/

Trailer for Guess Who's Coming to Dinner, starring Academy Award Winner Sidney Portier (plus a few other actors who are Academy Award Winners). If you can make it through all the Academy Award Winner talk, the relevant line is at the very end:

"Dad - I love you, but you think of yourself as a colored man - I think of myself as a man."

.. And an Academy Award Winner.

Originally Posted by Alric

Spanish people from Spain are white. Arabs are white. Jews are White. British and French people who fought each other all the time in thier history are both white. A great deal of people in Mexico are white, or half white. White is to vague of a term for people to group everyone together as a racial group. They also have way different cultures from one another.

If whites ever become a minority we will just changes the labels to make white Hispanics and Arabs who are both actually white to begin with, to white on paper. And then the problem is fixed!

I think all the worrying about other races is silly. Especially with the huge population of the earth. I mean you can probably find a billion or two 'white people'. So what does it matter if your a minority, you can still easily find a a huge group of your 'race' any where you look. Even if you take really small groups percentage wise, they can still find tons of people to hang out with a similar culture or background, if they wanted.

Trying to figure out 'races' is a futile attempt, since all the races mix together. Often skin color can be a poor way to identify people to begin with, as there are other bigger differences. You can't just take arbitrary groups of people and lump them together and call them a race, and then do the same with other people. The best you can do is divided people into cultures, but people can have vastly different cultures and look similar or similar cultures and look very different.

In 500 years there probably will not be any whites anymore, because all the races will be so mixed, no one will be able to tell them apart. Heck, people are bad at telling them apart even today.

I think its fairly clear that he is a racist and an alarmist. While he may have some valid points a lot of it is overly exaggerated and twisted to scare people. Like saying America would become a third world country. He is kind of a smooth talker, but I don't really buy anything he is saying. I am also not worried about my "white position" in the world.

Spanish people from spain are white, arabs are not white (although probably the closest relations to whites), jews have whie skin but are not white (race is not skin colour), british and french people are white. Hispanics are not white, although they may have some white ancestry.

You say there will be no whites in 500 years, well there will always be whites (assuming they are not subject to genocide by nonwhites, as may well be the case for afrikaaners before long in south africa) although their position will be somewhat reduced. However luckily a lot of white with a strong sense of racial identity tend to have a lot of children, I know a couple of people with 8 children and have spoken on skype with a couple who have 10+, so whites won't dissapear completely, but things will get worse before they get better.

You say he is a racist, could you please explain what a racist means in your opinion. When he says america will become a third world country, well some parts like los angles barely classify as first world already. Why do you think that if a country is comprised of people from africa and mexico it would not resemble the countries that those people came from?

Your blood is 100% black, Thatperson. Your ancestors were all black Africans. Sorry to break it to you.

You are a single celled organism xei, sorry to break it to you but all of your ancestors were single celled organisms.

Why so sorry? I think that's awesome. Your racial identity is an offshoot of African identity. Do you think that's awesome?

Indeed it is quite amazing, the single celled thing that is, I do not have an african identity, I have a White identity. however more to the point, my ancestors are not black africans, me and black africans had a common ancestor. Actually human's ancestors were originally white (as in without pigmentation), then the evolved black skin as natural selection in favour of protecing from high levels of UV rays, then as proto-whites moved to northern latitudes, natural selection reverted us back to white.

Xei as you live in the UK, have you ever been to bradford, or luton, or tower hamlets, or central birmingham? Would you mind if in 50 years the UK resembled these areas.

Xei is right, all humans originate in Africa, the original human was black


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So no, your ancestors were originally black, unless you think you're above modern Scientists and can prove them wrong

Originally Posted by Thatperson

Indeed it is quite amazing, the single celled thing that is, I do not have an african identity, I have a White identity. however more to the point, my ancestors are not black africans, me and black africans had a common ancestor. Actually human's ancestors were originally white (as in without pigmentation), then the evolved black skin as natural selection in favour of protecing from high levels of UV rays, then as proto-whites moved to northern latitudes, natural selection reverted us back to white.

lol nope

We were originally black because, lacking body fur, we were exposed to UV. When we moved to colder climates, the black pigment became a hindrance because the skin needs a certain amount of UV to synthesise vitamin D.

Xei as you live in the UK, have you ever been to bradford, or luton, or tower hamlets, or central birmingham? Would you mind if in 50 years the UK resembled these areas.

lol okay.

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Those areas are all poor. Poor areas have higher crime. Also, immigrants tend to be poor and of a different race.

Did you see a disproportionate of ethnic minorities in the riots? There weren't, it was white welfare yobs as much as anybody else.

well im not sure where you draw the line of human/non-human but some of our recent ancestors were lacking pigmentation (not needed due to the fur, i assume), as we lost our fur, then humans became black, and as the proto-eurasians moved out of africa, the pigmentation was lost. Not that it is relevent, My ancestors may have had black skin, and their ancestors had white skin, I am white now.

I don't really get your response, I said would you mind if in 50 years the UK resembled those areas, you haven't given an answer yet. As to the riots, yes they were disproportionately non-white. I suppose in Manchester it was more white than not, but pretty much everywhere else it was majority non-white. It was started by blacks in tottenham anyway.

I know white isn't a race, that was my entire point. However if you are grouping people then Arabs and jews would be white. Regardless of skin color everyone in europe and north africa(including middle east) came from the same group of people. Meaning Arabs and jews are white. Not only that, they are closely related whites.

I threw them both in there, because people act like Arabs and jews are different race, even though they come from the same area, which is silly. Any problems they got with each other is cultural not racial.

If you go back they are right we are all black. The people who stayed in Africa are what people considered black, people who went to northern africa and europe are white, and people who went east are asian or whatever you want to call them.

Hispanics are really in the same group as asians, because people went east and came across to america and then went south to south america. Though when the spanish came over they mixed with a lot of them, so a lot are white as well.

Of course we don't have to go all the way back to ancient times to find out that everyone is really the same race. For as long as different cultures been interacting with each other, they also been having sex with each other. A big chunk of people will probably find different 'races' mixed in with them at some point. Which is why I think in the next 500 years racial lines will disappear as everyone will be mixing like crazy. Especially with globalization.

I don't have anything against most racist people, because its generally from being raised a certain way or being ignorant. Though I do think they are wrong. And when I say the guy in the video is racist, I am talking about the fact that he is saying stupid stuff that doesn't make sense and is generally not true about different races.

Such as saying 'races' that are identical genetically have large differences in brain power. As for the not as smart races bring everyone down, how does he explain the middle east? The middle east has a ton of problems and according to him arabs and jews are the smartest of all the groups. So how come the smartest group has so many problems?

Hmm maybe because it isn't racial but a cultural problems? And cultural issues are learned, not genetic. The reason why areas with a lot of immgrants tend to be bad off, is because so many of the immgrants are poor. The issue is being poor, and often low education levels.

If you go back in history when we had a lot of poor white immgrants, that also caused problems as well. And you know what? Back then white people were racist and hated other poor white people, because they were bad for socity.

Here in a America however, we don't see it that way. We see the poor immegrants, and we want to give them chances to succeed and improve their life. And their lives do improve and they blend into our group american culture, and we gain new aspects thanks to their influence.

Which really gives the US the edge. When it comes with dealing with other people, the US should have a great advantage, because of our mixed backgrounds. And I think that is probably true when we are not attacking people. Saddly, that happens a little to often however.

I can't believe people still cling to the age old idea of human thermo-regulation as a possible result of humans losing fur. Kind of makes you wonder what exactly is the advantage of hairless monkeys in Africa at night. Africa can get pretty cold at night and has been known to even go below zero.

'Which is why I think in the next 500 years racial lines will disappear as everyone will be mixing like crazy' Race mixing is quite an unnatural thing and whilst it has occured throughout history to a very small degree, people tend to prefer their own. You say the races will disappear, but in reality only the white race is under threat, there will always be an abundance of black africans, and asians, only white countries are being invaded (for want of a better word) at such a level that threatens them as a race. You say 'everyone will be mixing like crazy'. Do you not think it is sad that a distinct race of people that have existed for 40,000+ years will virtually dissappear off the face of the earth.

Many liberals are quick to jump on the save the *insert endangered species here* bandwagon, but why not save different varieties of human? Well the white people will probably not completely dissapear as long as there are those people like me who want to preserve the diversity that many love to preach about, but never practise. You say the US has an edge, and it is a powerful country in many ways. Bu tthings like the Los angles riots, the cincinatti riots, they just dont happen in european countries, and before you quote London and Paris, they are not european cities by the population.

You also said "Here in a America however, we don't see it that way", well I don't think you speak for the majority of americans when you say that.

Originally Posted by Thatperson

well im not sure where you draw the line of human/non-human but some of our recent ancestors were lacking pigmentation (not needed due to the fur, i assume), as we lost our fur, then humans became black, and as the proto-eurasians moved out of africa, the pigmentation was lost. Not that it is relevent, My ancestors may have had black skin, and their ancestors had white skin, I am white now.

Good to hear. You also acknowledge that special cultural traits aren't passed down through parents, so I'm not sure what your conception of racial identity is.

I don't really get your response, I said would you mind if in 50 years the UK resembled those areas, you haven't given an answer yet. As to the riots, yes they were disproportionately non-white. I suppose in Manchester it was more white than not, but pretty much everywhere else it was majority non-white. It was started by blacks in tottenham anyway.

How on Earth don't you get it? It wasn't complicated. In 50 years, if the UK was a poverty-stricken dump, obviously I wouldn't like it.

I suppose you have some kind of evidence that the riots were disproportionately black?

Even if you do it doesn't matter. Fact is white people and black people were acting in exactly the same uncultured manner, so your notion of racial identity is bunk.

Originally Posted by Ne-yo

I can't believe people still cling to the age old idea of human thermo-regulation as a possible result of humans losing fur.

wat

Actually it is very natural for different races to have children with each other. The limiting factor has always been acess to each other. If one group lives very far away and you never see them, then you don't mix. However with increase in globalization everyone is gaining access to each other, and so more and more mixing takes place.

We are all humans, so what do I care about random varieties? I mean if there was a chance that white cows with black spots were being replaced with black cows with white spots, would I care? Would I loss sleep over the disapperance of white cows with black spots? No, not at all. I am not even slightly concerned.

Actually I dont have hard evidence that it was disproportionately black, and I was going to ask you if you had evidence of the rioters closely matching the UK average demographics. I suppose neither of us have hard evidence other than what we viewed in our own towns and on the News.

If the population is going to resemble pakistan/africa in 50 years time, then the UK will resemble those african countries in crime/poverty. Anyway, what i was actually asking you was not about the level of poverty/crime etc. I was asking if you would mind if in 50 years time, the UK culturally resembled a mix of Pakistan and Nigeria? I mean you might love those countries, but not all of would like to live there (or a country that basically resembles it)

Originally Posted by Thatperson

well im not sure where you draw the line of human/non-human but some of our recent ancestors were lacking pigmentation (not needed due to the fur, i assume), as we lost our fur, then humans became black, and as the proto-eurasians moved out of africa, the pigmentation was lost. Not that it is relevent, My ancestors may have had black skin, and their ancestors had white skin, I am white now.
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Did you not hear anything I just said? You're delusional..and in denial

what? The ancestor of humans and pan (chimpanzies) was white skinned, then as we lost fur the pigmentation made us black skinned, then proto-eurasians became white skinned as they mvoed towards higher latitutdes.

It's really a non issue anyway, if the colour of our ancestors from 500,000 years ago was light or dark skinned.

Originally Posted by Thatperson

what? The ancestor of humans and pan (chimpanzies) was white skinned, then as we lost fur the pigmentation made us black skinned, then proto-eurasians became white skinned as they mvoed towards higher latitutdes.

Where exactly did you get this information from?

What exactly are you whining about?

Are you whining about the genetics of white ethnicities dieing out? Those genetics won't disappear.....THEY'LL MERGE! Good news, the mixing of genetics from different ethnicities makes for a healthier DNA group.

Want to know what the future of genetics looks like? It looks like me! ...Hispanic.

I have blood within the last few centuries from: Europe including at least Spain, Germany (Jews) and possibly France. Mediterranean. Africa. Taino (native islanders) and possibly Central America. There are actually a lot more groups that went to Puerto Rico, including Chinese, but I don't know if I have Chinese. However, all of these different ethnicities have mixed so much on the little island of Puerto Rico that its generally assumed if you're Puerto Rican that you have "7 bloods". It doesn't matter if you look black, look white or native american, its still assumed you're a genetic mutt.

Looks are deceptively deceiving in the hispanic group, just goes to show you how weak an "ethnicity" is. Its really just a superficial trait carried down by making babies with someone of the same superficial trait.

And it really is all superficial traits, because at the end of the day there is only ONE human RACE.

Are you also whining about genetics and poverty? Are you actually suggesting that minorities bring poverty and crime, and the fault is in the genetics? Do you understand that this line of thinking is racist?

In the modern world, poverty is isolated and segregated. Take an apartment complex, why is it developed separate from suburban neighborhoods? Small apartments can be developed right in between houses. But they aren't, but it isn't the cool thing to do with home owners. They don't want to live in a neighborhood with apartments, because they have strange ideas about the people who live there.

Anyways, because of this mentality - ghettos are created. With cities running on tax dollars, these ghettos can't raise enough taxes for their needs. So the streets aren't cleaned because no one is being payed to clean them. There aren't enough cops. Schools are underfunded. Teachers are layed off. Education suffers. Businesses close down. Making local jobs even harder to find. Creating even more poverty. All of these stress factors at home create higher crime rates. Genetics has nothing to do with it. Except that certain ethnicities are struggling to climb out of that hole.

ne-yo: I can't remember where i got this information from, it was about 4-5 years ago, maybe tomorrow if I get the time I'll try to find my original source. But even if I can't find it, and you prove me wrong, I don't really care because it's a non issue.

Juroara: You think that mixing of DNA groups is healthier, well lets take a black and whtie person in Europe for example, the white person will have a half white offspring, seeing as white skin is optimal for europe, the child will be less healthy than the white parent. In Africa, if a black person mixes with a white, then their offspring will be less healthy than if they mixed will a fellow black, because their offspring will have less protection from the UV rays. One of the least genetically diverse ethnicities, the japanese also have the highest life expectancy, now this is probably also due to diet and lfiestyle, but obviously the lack of diversity isn't harming them.

" Do you understand that this line of thinking is racist?" I care not if you call me a 'racist'. If you use that word without defining it, then it becomes a meaningless buzzword that is used as a filler in place of reasoned argument.

Just a note to everyone reading. the Term 'Racist' is basically meaningless as it is used in so many contexts that noone understand exactly what it is. For me a racist is a person who hates people from group X because they are from group X. I don't hate anyone. Therefore to call me a 'racist' is to call me something that doesn't mean that, and i don't fell offended by.

That is just silly, bringing up race and how healthy you are because of UV exposes is stupid. We have A. Sunblock, and B. Hats, which both totally negate any health issue of living in an area that is bad for your skin type. When juroara talks about the benefits of mixing dna, she is talking about the positive effects that helps to get rid of diseases and build resistances to diseases. You know actual issues.

An example is if your race has a high occurrence of say a specific type of cancer, if you have children from another race that doesn't have that problem, your children are at a decrease chance of developing that cancer. So it is a benefit. If you are worried about skin cancer because your in a hot area and have light skin, wear sun block.

White People already have an agenda fighting for them, it's called Western Society.