Thread: Skeptical Physicist reconfirms climate change

Funded by the Koch brothers, who have been funding a whole bunch of climate change denial stuff. Weird.

Finally.

Soon nobody will be able to deny it anymore. Get ready to move north in a few years.

"I don't always agree with scientists, but when I do, I listen to the 99% that agree with each other."

In before Koch stops the funding and hires a new scientist to "confirm that global warming is a leftist conspiracy"

I'm glad this "climate change" denial is only a phenomenon in the US.

Originally Posted by Marvo

I'm glad this "climate change" denial is only a phenomenon in the US.

lolwut?
There's tonnes of deniers everywhere. Why do you think there's next to nothing being done about it?

Anyway, no worries, this has been going on forever! Pumping trillions of tonnes of Carbon Dioxide in to the atmosphere hasn't changed a thing!

Originally Posted by tommo

lolwut?
There's tonnes of deniers everywhere. Why do you think there's next to nothing being done about it?

Anyway, no worries, this has been going on forever! Pumping trillions of tonnes of Carbon Dioxide in to the atmosphere hasn't changed a thing!

I meant as in, where the general population actually believes it. In the EU, it's not a matter of "Is it actually true?" it's a matter of "What do we do?". Of course, they're not getting anywhere because lolbureaucracy.

Originally Posted by Marvo

I meant as in, where the general population actually believes it. In the EU, it's not a matter of "Is it actually true?" it's a matter of "What do we do?".

And there's also the "Wind turbines are ruining the view!" people, who I find quite annoying. They believe climate change is indeed a real problem and agree that something must be done about it, but when someone starts building a wind farm, they get all up in arms. All because those few turbines way in the distance are a bit of an eyesore.

My entire college campus is wind powered, from the machines in the gym that have convertors to the wind turbines we own somewhere .

Originally Posted by Heavy Sleeper

And there's also the "Wind turbines are ruining the view!" people, who I find quite annoying. They believe climate change is indeed a real problem and agree that something must be done about it, but when someone starts building a wind farm, they get all up in arms. All because those few turbines way in the distance are a bit of an eyesore.

Actually the infrasound from the larger turbines is now causing people lots of problems.

People deny it? Oookay.

It is true that it is more about :

"We are losing money if we start these climate changing changes in our factories"
" Gosh, I'd like to save the world but I like my luxuries and I am just too damn lazy to change anything"

Originally Posted by cmind

Actually the infrasound from the larger turbines is now causing people lots of problems.

The infrasound from a 2.3 Megawatt turbine is less than 80dB at 1000 feet. If that level of infrasound gives someone problems, they'd probably die if a helicopter flew within a mile of them. That's not to mention the most intense source of infrasound that most people encounter on a regular basis... Lightning. BOOOOOMM

Originally Posted by Heavy Sleeper

And there's also the "Wind turbines are ruining the view!" people, who I find quite annoying. They believe climate change is indeed a real problem and agree that something must be done about it, but when someone starts building a wind farm, they get all up in arms. All because those few turbines way in the distance are a bit of an eyesore.

They obviously want the wind-turbines to be built, they just want them to be build elsewhere.

Originally Posted by Forsaken

The infrasound from a 2.3 Megawatt turbine is less than 80dB at 1000 feet. If that level of infrasound gives someone problems, they'd probably die if a helicopter flew within a mile of them. That's not to mention the most intense source of infrasound that most people encounter on a regular basis... Lightning. BOOOOOMM

There is a big, big difference between short, sudden sounds and persistent sounds. A big difference.

Just stumbled on this and thought I'd post it since it's relevant:

Yeah, that's why I'm pretty apathetic about this issue. I am very concerned about sustainability anyway, most crucially with respects to energy... I think it's probably the most urgent issue of our times, and within the decade we'll really start feeling it.

Originally Posted by cmind

Actually the infrasound from the larger turbines is now causing people lots of problems.

What about the problems being caused by the increased number of oil spills occurring? I'd prefer a little infrasound to completely decimating our habitation in the gulf and other oil-rich areas. Not to mention the destruction to wildlife.

Originally Posted by khh

There is a big, big difference between short, sudden sounds and persistent sounds. A big difference.

Scientists See No Basis for Turbine 'Infrasound' Claims
Scientists See No Basis for Turbine 'Infrasound' Claims
Low Frequency Sound and Infrasound from Wind Turbines

This is just another psychosomatic deal like cellphone tower radiation, and WiFi allergies.

Going out for a run, you generate 10 times as much infrasound as comes from wind turbines 1000 feet away. Ride in a car or train? You're exposed to 40 times as much. Go for a swim? 60 times as much.

If this infrasound were humanly detectable, then I could see it causing annoyance, but, it is not even detectable. Furthermore, it is only about as much sound pressure as most people generate with their voices when talking at a normal level, only it is too low a frequency to hear.

Originally Posted by Marvo

I meant as in, where the general population actually believes it. In the EU, it's not a matter of "Is it actually true?" it's a matter of "What do we do?". Of course, they're not getting anywhere because lolbureaucracy.

Oh, fair enough. I still think there are deniers everywhere. Maybe it's worse in the US. But yeah, politics fail.

Originally Posted by Heavy Sleeper

And there's also the "Wind turbines are ruining the view!" people, who I find quite annoying. They believe climate change is indeed a real problem and agree that something must be done about it, but when someone starts building a wind farm, they get all up in arms. All because those few turbines way in the distance are a bit of an eyesore.

Hehe, and the wind turbine companies wanna add 10 metres to them now, because they found that it can produce twice the amount of energy for basically incredibly small extra cost.
People are going insane over it!
Personally, I think wind turbines look awesome.

Originally Posted by Dreams4free

My entire college campus is wind powered, from the machines in the gym that have convertors to the wind turbines we own somewhere .

That's great! That would actually be a very smart move for gyms etc. to start running their power just from people on treadmills etc. hmmmm....

Originally Posted by cmind

Actually the infrasound from the larger turbines is now causing people lots of problems.

LOLno.

Originally Posted by khh

They obviously want the wind-turbines to be built, they just want them to be build elsewhere.

I think this is wrong. From what I have found, people want them to be built on THEIR properties, and not on other peoples. Because you get paid every year for having
a wind turbine. These idiots are jealous that their neighbours get them and they don't.

Originally Posted by Forsaken

Scientists See No Basis for Turbine 'Infrasound' Claims
Scientists See No Basis for Turbine 'Infrasound' Claims
Low Frequency Sound and Infrasound from Wind Turbines

This is just another psychosomatic deal like cellphone tower radiation, and WiFi allergies.

Going out for a run, you generate 10 times as much infrasound as comes from wind turbines 1000 feet away. Ride in a car or train? You're exposed to 40 times as much. Go for a swim? 60 times as much.

If this infrasound were humanly detectable, then I could see it causing annoyance, but, it is not even detectable. Furthermore, it is only about as much sound pressure as most people generate with their voices when talking at a normal level, only it is too low a frequency to hear.

AMEN BROTHER! Has anyone saying this actually gone up to a wind farm? You CAN'T HEAR SHIT! Seriously, I was expecting this loud whooshing sound, from all the commotion I'd heard about how horrible these monsters are.
You literally cannot hear them, even standing right next to them and listening intently for something, anything. Nothing!

People are fucking retarded. Even if there was some sort of health effects like headaches which people report in bullshit surveys done by unapproved doctors, *cough* Victoria *cough* it is still FAR safer than any coal plant.


End rant. Sorry, this gets me really pissed off, coz wind turbines were just effectively banned in Victoria due to some bullshit survey done by some stupid bitch who isn't even a researcher, let alone an approved doctor. The Victorian government also is planning to build a new coal plant, where there could have been wind farms built with ease.

Originally Posted by tommo

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You can hear a wind turbine. It's not very loud, but you can easily hear it. Just requires that everything else is quite. It's a very faint sound, and unless you actually listen for a while, you will just think it's the wind whistling in the trees, but it is actually wind turbines. Of course, it requires the right direction of wind, depending on where you're standing. I live about 1 kilometer away from 3 big ones, and you can certainly hear them if you go outside during the night.

Originally Posted by Marvo

You can hear a wind turbine. It's not very loud, but you can easily hear it. Just requires that everything else is quite. It's a very faint sound, and unless you actually listen for a while, you will just think it's the wind whistling in the trees, but it is actually wind turbines. Of course, it requires the right direction of wind, depending on where you're standing. I live about 1 kilometer away from 3 big ones, and you can certainly hear them if you go outside during the night.

Then maybe you are just hearing the wind in the trees. Because I've stood right next to several of them and cannot hear a single thing. I have excellent hearing.

Either that or they aren't the ones that have been limited. Early ones didn't have a limiter to stop them spinning too fast and thus obviously creating a noise. But I'm not sure if they've all had them installed or not, I assumed they would have by now.

Originally Posted by tommo

Then maybe you are just hearing the wind in the trees. Because I've stood right next to several of them and cannot hear a single thing. I have excellent hearing.

Either that or they aren't the ones that have been limited. Early ones didn't have a limiter to stop them spinning too fast and thus obviously creating a noise. But I'm not sure if they've all had them installed or not, I assumed they would have by now.

These are fairly new, perhaps 8 years old. The sound comes from the blades "wooshing" in the wind. I say again, it is very hard to hear, but it's definitely the windturbines. It's basically just like wind, except you can hear "wooshing", usually in a 2 second interval. I was outside around 3 AM with a friend once, and told him, and he could hear it too.

It's not a sound that annoys me though, I think it's very serene, in some industrial way.

Daily Show tonight did a fantastic job at showing why there's so much doubt in Climate Change. While "Climate Gate" was given weeks of news coverage, the debunking of Climate Gate was given 27 seconds of news coverage.

Originally Posted by Omnis Dei

Daily Show tonight did a fantastic job at showing why there's so much doubt in Climate Change. While "Climate Gate" was given weeks of news coverage, the debunking of Climate Gate was given 27 seconds of news coverage.

Oil and coal companies have billions to waste on propaganda/advertising between them as well. While scientists in general have pretty much none. Unless there are news stations willing to report honest, real science. Which is getting pretty rare these days. If it ever wasn't rare. And generally scientists data will only reach the scientific community, of which a very small percentage are just average citizens with an interest in science.