Originally posted by Pandragon
I had a roomate who once came home from a 5meo-DMT trip. He said it was the most horrifying experience of his entire life. He experienced \"death\" (his soul leaving his body) twice in 30 minutes, and then was unable to sleep for 3 days straight and it took another week or so for him to feel somewhat \"normal\" again.
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*I've been around a bit and used more than my share of drugs, especially psychedelics. That's all in my past now, but I'm not against safe, mature, and educated use by responsible adults in a proper setting. Everyone has their own path to follow, who are we to judge?

*But Dude, you sound like you're already setting yourself up for a bad trip! And for what? How certain are you it will be worth it? It almost seems like you're hoping for a terrifying experience to help you permanently put drugs behind you.

*Why don't you just do what I did - find other things to replace drugs that are just as rewarding like Spirituality, LD'ing, Tantra, Brainwave Entrainment, Hypnosis, Amygdala Clicking, etc, etc, etc...

*There's no end to the safe highs available that don't require you to roll the dice on your body and brain. My personal favorite was a specific mix of drugs (I'm not gonna give anyone here ideas). I always thought it was \"the ultimate high\" for me.

*Since I've been clean, I've gone way past that \"ultimate high\" many times with nothing more than 45 minutes of self-hypnosis, a positive attitude and a healthy imagination. * *

*I support your search for new horizons, just don't sink your ship in the process, ok?
I appreciate everybody's further insight.

Pandragon, I didn't try to set myself up to think DMT is a nightmare. I read many, many accounts of that on the internet. The story you just told said a lot. Having that stuff haunt me long after I do it is one of my hangups about it. I have no idea how to come across straight DMT crystals in Mississippi, so I would have to do ayahuasca brew, the vomit stuff Ev described. That trip doesn't last six minutes. It lasts many hours. I am at a friend's house right now, and he just talked about the effects of inhalants. That reminded me of the fact that I don't do those because they eat your brain up really bad. I inhaled freon when I was 19 and saw some the crazy stuff any drug has ever made me see, but I decided then to never do another inhalant again. I'm lucky I didn't die on the spot, from frozen lungs if nothing else. That reminds me that some crazy states, even if they can't be reached any other way, aren't worth it. I liked your suggestion about natural highs, which is exactly what my plan has been and is getting me off drugs. I am going to get more into transcendental meditation, which I used to be way into. I also want to get a sensory deprivation tank. I have never used a mind machine, but I have been wanting to check those out for about a year now. Kundalini Yoga and possibly Tantric are of interest to me too. Along with those things and getting highs from running and biking, things I do any way, I am of course going to go further and further in a lucid state in to the dream world, the ultimate frontier of mind expansion. It's settled. I am going to do mushrooms and salvia once more each, and that is it. It's time to really get into the real stuff. Thanks.