Thread: Ron Paul 2012

Some people like to act like Ron Paul doesn't know what he is talking about when he says things like there is no proof of Iran trying to develop nuclear weapons, or talking about how actions increases the likely hood of blow back from middle eastern countries. However it is our own CIA that has been saying it.

Ron Paul is the only one actually listening when people speak. The CIA comes in and tell congress and the president that there is no evidence of Iran trying to develop nuclear weapons and everyone else for some reason takes that as code for yes they really have them. What is the point of having experts in the government if we totally ignore what they say?

Originally Posted by Alric

What is the point of having experts in the government if we totally ignore what they say?

To increase the air of legitimacy. Just like how in the Roman empire they used to pay priests to bless the emperor before a military campaign.

Originally Posted by greenhavoc

you can't be serious.

Yes, I am serious. You don't simply ignore an enemy when they are trying to tell you why they ARE your enemy.

To understand your enemy is key to resolving a conflict.

Don't know if anyone has talked about this; are there any independents here who live in a state where the republicans have a closed primary? If so, you should look in to registering as a republican so you can vote for ron paul. I did it here in california and I know I had to be registered before jan. 21st in order to vote in the primary election even though it doesn't take place until aug. I think. I just barely made it; I registered on the 20th.

I like Ohio's primary system. You just go in and ask for whatever ballot you want, and that's how you change your party affiliation. No hassles, it's very simple and makes a lot of sense.

Ron Paul is leading the poll on "Who Should Drop Out of the Primaries". It's on the "fair and balanced" news website. I call major bullshit. Go there and vote for someone else.

www.foxnews.com/politics/elections/2012/you-decide/should-someone-drop-out-gop-presidential-primary-race

I will vote on Gingrich, its come out that that fucker lied when he made the opening remark of the Carolina debate.

Originally Posted by louie54

Ron Paul is leading the poll on "Who Should Drop Out of the Primaries". It's on the "fair and balanced" news website. I call major bullshit. Go there and vote for someone else.

www.foxnews.com/politics/elections/2012/you-decide/should-someone-drop-out-gop-presidential-primary-race

/b/ reddit etc. that shit, if it hasn't been already.

Originally Posted by Alric

What is the point of having experts in the government if we totally ignore what they say?

Haha. This is the point of experts.... to back you up when you want to do something, and to ignore them when they don't back you up.

Also that's fucking ridiculous that you have to register which party you're going to be affiliated with before voting in some states. I wasn't aware of that.

Oh and I like this poll too lol
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news...er-of-congress

Only for primaries and stuff, which are not actual elections ran by the government but are elections ran by the political parties and its members. In a real election you can vote for anyone you want, and you do not have to register for any party. In fact you don't even have to be a registered voter to vote. They might give you a hard time for not being registered but by law, since you are an American citizen they have to allow you to vote. Usually they hold your vote until they can confirm you really are a citizen though.

Originally Posted by louie54

Ron Paul is leading the poll on "Who Should Drop Out of the Primaries". It's on the "fair and balanced" news website. I call major bullshit. Go there and vote for someone else.

www.foxnews.com/politics/elections/2012/you-decide/should-someone-drop-out-gop-presidential-primary-race

They worded it so as to catch Ron Paul fans. Instead of reading the whole question, many people just click the person they like the most. (I almost did the same thing when I saw that poll. but thankfully I caught myself and clicked Santorum.)

Originally Posted by ThePreserver

They worded it so as to catch Ron Paul fans. Instead of reading the whole question, many people just click the person they like the most. (I almost did the same thing when I saw that poll. but thankfully I caught myself and clicked Santorum.)

No doubt, America's current woes attribute to this exact tendency toward laziness.

Yeah, you can also vote as many times as you like.

Can some explain from MCWillis' video, the healthcare part?
Ron Paul doesn't agree with public healthcare?
Why not?

Originally Posted by tommo

Yeah, you can also vote as many times as you like.

Can some explain from MCWillis' video, the healthcare part?
Ron Paul doesn't agree with public healthcare?
Why not?

Health Care*|*Ron Paul 2012 Presidential Campaign Committee
Diagnosing Our Health Care Woes by Ron Paul

Originally Posted by tommo

Ron Paul doesn't agree with public healthcare?
Why not?

Public healthcare is a way to treat a symptom (high prices) not the cause (government intervention and control over the system.) The HMO Act essentially established health insurance agencies as they exist today, get this, to make healthcare more widely-available and affordable for all Americans. Somewhere along the line, as with all government regulation and subsidy, it turned into a nightmare.

Also, Ron Paul opposes mandates; he believes that no one should be forced to purchase anything, including health insurance, against their will.

Ok, but how do you explain the fact that every country with complete public healthcare has better healthcare than America? (That includes being 90% cheaper).

It seems the only thing which made it more expensive is employer paid healthcare. Which we don't have here either.

Originally Posted by tommo

Ok, but how do you explain the fact that every country with complete public healthcare has better healthcare than America? (That includes being 90% cheaper).

It seems the only thing which made it more expensive is employer paid healthcare. Which we don't have here either.

Why can't healthcare just be treated like any other good or service (which in the US it currently is not)? Is it "essential"? Food is also "essential", yet we don't see mass starvation, even with a largely free market in...super markets.

You'd see mass starvation if there were no welfare or free food services.

You can't treat it the same as anything else because it is fundamental to keeping people alive.
Especially those who cannot afford private insurance, and those who get rejected by insurance whenever they actually get seriously sick.

Originally Posted by tommo

You can't treat it the same as anything else because it is fundamental to keeping people alive.

Are we talking about MRI machines?

WHAT!??!????????

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tommo I heartily recommend you don't try to get snarky, it will almost definitely backfire in your case.

Originally Posted by Xei

it will almost definitely backfire in your case.

You are far too generous, sir.

Originally Posted by Xei

tommo I heartily recommend you don't try to get snarky, it will almost definitely backfire in your case.

Why is that?
I'm not getting "snarky".
He's obviously wrong.