Thread: Stepping in to the Fire

Originally Posted by tommo

Further, the only reason anyone in the West even has any knowledge whatsoever of DMT/Ayahuasca is because of the hippy movement and
people like Terrence McKenna going to the Amazon and Africa and other parts of the world to discover their medicines.
None of that would have happened without the hippy movement.

Your point being? What good has come of that? All I see is hippies getting themselves confused on DMT.

The hippy movement did not come and go. It is still here and it changed the course of our culture for the better.

They're definitely still here. They're where all the best weed comes from.

There would be no green movement were it not for the hippy movement.
It is not dead.

The "green movement" began at about the same time as hippies and is largely orthogonal to lying addicts fucking in the woods. So what does it have to do with hippies?

Originally Posted by PhilosopherStoned

Your point being? What good has come of that? All I see is hippies getting themselves confused on DMT.

My point was the shaman said it was a useless movement but that is the only reason why anyone even knows about Ayahuasca, which he places so highly above other drugs.

Originally Posted by PhilosopherStoned

The "green movement" began at about the same time as hippies and is largely orthogonal to lying addicts fucking in the woods. So what does it have to do with hippies?

I'm pretty sure they were the ones protesting to end reliance on oil and invest in renewable energy, so the entire green movement has EVERYTHING to do with hippies. It, like Eastern traditions, would not be here if it weren't for them.

Originally Posted by tommo

My point was the shaman said it was a useless movement but that is the only reason why anyone even knows about Ayahuasca, which he places so highly above other drugs.

Your point being? Maybe he doesn't want people using Ayahuasca outside the context of a consistent system of interpreting the associated sensations.

I'm pretty sure they were the ones protesting to end reliance on oil and invest in renewable energy, so the entire green movement has EVERYTHING to do with hippies. It, like Eastern traditions, would not be here if it weren't for them.

I'm pretty sure that "eastern" systems were already making headway in the west during the early twentieth century and were being introduced by actual practitioners and western academics. Are you sure that the "green movement" wasn't started by scientists who were the ones who recognized a problem? Maybe the hippies were just there to get high and laid?

Originally Posted by PhilosopherStoned

Your point being? Maybe he doesn't want people using Ayahuasca outside the context of a consistent system of interpreting the associated sensations.

No.... That's not what he was saying at all.
He didn't see the correlation between the two in any way.

Originally Posted by PhilosopherStoned

I'm pretty sure that "eastern" systems were already making headway in the west during the early twentieth century and were being introduced by actual practitioners and western academics. Are you sure that the "green movement" wasn't started by scientists who were the ones who recognized a problem? Maybe the hippies were just there to get high and laid?

Science is nothing without people pushing for change. Politicians don't give a fuck what the scientists say unless it supports their predetermined views.

Originally Posted by tommo

No.... That's not what he was saying at all.
He didn't see the correlation between the two in any way.

Oh, ok. Well either way he doesn't seem to think that hippies use the drug at all correctly. Hence the fact that they introduced it is in no way a refutation of his viewpoint or mine.

Science is nothing without people pushing for change. Politicians don't give a fuck what the scientists say unless it supports their predetermined views.

Politicians don't give a fuck what hippies think either. Hippies are generally to busy getting stoned and worrying about the illuminati to vote. It is the responsible, voting middle class pushing for ecological responsibility that makes a differince, not hippies. The environment isn't much more to them then an excuse to get stoned and laid. They do more to hurt the movement (and the reputability of things like Buddhism) than they do to help it.