Ron Paul 2012

[knight31]

Controversial Ron Paul Supporters ROFL. Sorry but how can one be controversial when supporting common sense liberty and policy that is logical. If you don't vote for Ron Paul over there in America, for all those able to vote, if you don't vote for him. Then I'm assuming you have something wrong with you. Really, there would be something wrong with you, not to support him. I would go so far as to call it an undiagnosed mental illness of some kind or some kind of brainwashed corruption of your mind, if you are even thinking a different candidate.

[Original Poster]

I'd rather support the guy who accepted a little money from some radical groups than the guy who takes in millions of dollars from mysterious monetary funds that dissolve directly after the donation.

[knight31]

I'd rather support the guy who accepted a little money from some radical groups than the guy who takes in millions of dollars from mysterious monetary funds that dissolve directly after the donation. do you notice how much the media twists the perception of this against Ron Paul. It's almost funny how obvious it is they have some kind of agenda to discredit him. What's really startling is it's not working very well, and creating a bit of an elephant in the room situation.

[Thatperson]

I find it strange that Ron Paul has a large White Nationalist following. He's much better than most of the others, but I would have thought rick perry would have been #1 choice, even better would have been for David Duke or Don Black themselves to stand.

[Original Poster]

White Nationalists in the US feel disenfranchised by the Federal Troops protecting non-whites during the 60s and 70s civil rights movement and have been in favor of smaller federal government since then. They will support the most libertarian candidate possible because they perceive some sort of threat posed by the federal government against their values.

[Wayfaerer]

I don't know much about politics, but from the little I've seen I'm definitely leaning toward voting for Obama. Obama seems to take education much more seriously than Ron Paul. Obama seems to be the safer choice since I can't really seem to trust Ron Paul as much. I hope for more discussion about this as I haven't researched this topic nearly enough.

[Xei]

Watch the documentary 'Inside Job'... certainly changed my perceptions about the Odog.

[Original Poster]

You trust Obama more than Paul? You... trust... Obama? Obama has broken so many campaign promises to trust one word he says is to admit you have no brains. Obama has continued Bush's regime to the letter. He has been nothing but a hypocrite in every sense of the word. He murdered a US citizen in cold blood, for fuck's sake. He has no respect for the law. Romney is another asshole that you can tell will say anything to get elected. Ron Paul is the only candidate to show a smidgen of consistency. I'm not extremely fond of his stance on education but I believe Obama will pretend to support education then when push comes to shove and he's forced to cut programs education will be one of the first to go, meanwhile law enforcement and military will continue to receive funds. Ron Paul plans to cut the funding where it needs to be cut, the pentagon.

[knight31]

[Alric]

It is good that you admit you obviously no nothing about politics, but instead of supporting Obama you should try to learn some things about politics. Ron Paul is the most trustworthy person there is in politics today. He does what he says, and he says what he does. He is honest, and consistent and his voting record proves that. Obama on the on the other hand lied about most things he said he would do.

[knight31]

I don't know much about politics, but from the little I've seen I'm definitely leaning toward voting for Obama. Obama seems to take education much more seriously than Ron Paul. Obama seems to be the safer choice since I can't really seem to trust Ron Paul as much. I hope for more discussion about this as I haven't researched this topic nearly enough. I'm not trying to be rude but, are you stupid? Education for obama are you serious? What has obama done other than more damage to everything? I knew from the moment he was running he was no good. Can you not recognize the truth when you see it? Ron Paul is like this intense shining beacon of sensibility and clarity on basically all important issues. And for some reason you are blind to alllll that? How on earth does that work like where is your mind at to even make that kind of decision. How could you be so, counter-intuitive? Do you really think you have considered it properly?

[Wayfaerer]

I'm only going by a few speeches I saw, I honestly don't care about politics that much, I'd rather live in the woods where it doesn't effect me lol. The only thing that I'd really care about is education, and as I understand Ron Paul wants to stop Federal Loans to people who can't afford it. I've seen nothing else of him talking about the topic of education, so that doesn't leave a good taste in my mouth while watching Obama making inspiring speeches about how education and science should be one of the countries top priorities.

[cmind]

I'm only going by a few speeches I saw, I honestly don't care about politics that much, I'd rather live in the woods where it doesn't effect me lol. The only thing that I'd really care about is education, and as I understand Ron Paul wants to stop Federal Loans to people who can't afford it. I've seen nothing else of him talking about the topic of education, so that doesn't leave a good taste in my mouth while watching Obama making inspiring speeches about how education and science should be one of the countries top priorities. So you're saying that inspiring words are more important than results?

[Wayfaerer]

No, I'm saying it's the only thing I can go by, although it would be reassuring and revealing of his values if he was enthusiastic about education and science, which I've seen no shred of. How do you know what the results on education will be with either candidate? The future hasn't happened yet. I'm saying cutting federal loans just seems like a -1 for Ron Paul to me.

[Xei]

Obama has been in power for four years, you can go by his results. :/

[cmind]

No, I'm saying it's the only thing I can go by. When you refuse to use your own brain and actually think critically about issues, then I suppose the words of politicians are the only things you can go by.

[Wayfaerer]

Can someone specifically list the horrible things Obama has done? List specific events please, especially how he has negatively effected education. When you refuse to use your own brain and actually think critically about issues, then I suppose the words of politicians are the only things you can go by. I do, politics just isn't in the forefront of my mind. Speeches are all I've seen, so please, educate me. List some specific events that I should be concerned about or be a hypocrite.

[StonedApe]

I don't know much about politics, but from the little I've seen I'm definitely leaning toward voting for Obama. Obama seems to take education much more seriously than Ron Paul. Obama seems to be the safer choice since I can't really seem to trust Ron Paul as much. I hope for more discussion about this as I haven't researched this topic nearly enough. Yes because as we all know, safety is far more important than liberty.

[Wayfaerer]

Well that was pointlessly out of context...

[cmind]

I do, politics just isn't in the forefront of my mind. Speeches are all I've seen, so please, educate me. List some specific events that I should be concerned about or be a hypocrite. You're arguing with us in very bad faith. You're not likely to get anyone to spend a single moment of their time researching things for you.

[Xei]

If you take the time to go down the the ballot box it seems sensible to invest at least five minutes educating somebody who's open to your advice.

[Wayfaerer]

You're arguing with us in very bad faith. You're not likely to get anyone to spend a single moment of their time researching things for you. Wow, by the sound of it it seemed like you "critically thought" about all the issues already. What basis is your opinion on then if you have yet to research it, hypocrite.

[cmind]

If you take the time to go down the the ballot box it seems sensible to invest at least five minutes educating somebody who's open to your advice. I'm not actually American so I won't be voting in this election, but wayfaerer does not appear to be open to anyone. I get the distinct impression that he wants to try to poke holes in things.

[Wayfaerer]

I know for certain I don't like some things Obama did, but I've still yet to be convinced who may turn out to be the lesser of the two evils. Ron Paul seems to appease the radical religious people a little too much for my comfort, and doesn't feel that climate change is a "major problem threatening civilization" which makes me doubt his incentive of making the energy technology we are capable of accessible. These are just a few examples of why I doubt Ron Paul. I'm not saying I'm not open to being convinced to vote for him, I just think it would be dangerous to act as if he is a god send when he might actually be missing some really important values.

[Original Poster]

I'm trying my damndest to find a record of what Obama has actually accomplished in regards to education. So far all I can find are plans and proposals. He's great at making proposals. But does he actually care? How is he even supposed to pay for education? You can't just support the president who says they want to fund education when we don't have the money for it. Furthermore, Federal Loans do not fix the issue. They actually make it worse. They turn education into another industrial complex by putting a heavier burden on tax payers without accountability as to how the money is spent. Tuition continues to get hiked up so those who do not qualify for the grants get left in the dust. I would like to see education completely subsidized, not just given grants. But it has to be done in accountable way or else you only augment the problem.