Israel-Gaza Crisis

[Marm]

Israel launched a series of airstrikes on Wednesday, claiming that it was targeted at terrorists in Gaza, killing the chief of Hamas' military wing, Ahmed Jabari and at least eight others. Over 100 rockets have been fired into Israel since then; the majority were repelled by Israel's Iron dome: Spoiler for Iron Dome: Israel then targeted over 200 sites last night in the Gaza Strip in retaliation. Just earlier today another 60 or so rockets were fired into Israel. Every hour the death toll increases and more people are made homeless. Right now it just looks like a show of which side has more firepower, and each side is trying to intimidate the other to back down. They aren't achieving anything by keeping this up. The only people suffering are the civilians... Spoiler for Casualties:

[DeletePlease]

Fuck Israel. Also, I bet this is the final push - the tipping point for the next major war.

[HeavySleeper]

War in the Middle East, now there's a surprise! Seriously though, warring between Turkey and Syria, then Israel getting involved, then the attacks from the Gaza Strip. I fear GavinGill may be right. If this escalates much further, it could blow up into something monumentally bad, with terrible repercussions for the whole world.

[Beefer]

Don't jump to conclusion too fast. The middle east was always a troublesome neighborhood . Also the events taking place in syria are not related to those in Israel & Gaza. Now as an Israeli I think I can say that most Israelis support operation "Cloud Pillar" and I think I can also say that the palestinians themselves support it. Now lets look first on the Israeli side since it is quite simple and tragic. It has been over a decade since Hamas took over the Gaza strip. Since then the terrorist organizations : Hamas & The Islamic Jihad Had been firing missiles and rockets toward Israel. People are suffering from an everyday bombardment which takes place multiple times a day . I heard from friends that they can't even leave the shelter (without mentioning the examples which are displayed on the TV) . Now try to Imagine that for over a decade you live in fear that one day a missile will destroy your house or even kill you , your mom , your dad , a friend ,your girlfriend and maybe even your dog. No sane country can let such a situation exist. I can tell you from my own experience that it is not fun to stop playing with your little brother and run to the shelter ,just because a fanatic muslim terrorist decided so. Now for the side of the palestinian which live in Gaza. The civilians in Gaza are used as a human shield. The terrorist organizations in Gaza (The Islamic Jihad & Hamas) Are locating their bases and armories near civil population. By that I mean : Kindergartens, hospitals , schools, gas stations, mosques and why? That is quite simple. Because they know that we don't want to harm civilians. That is why the IDF puts lots of effort in planning and calculating each attack. This is a tough reality for the palestinians in Gaza. If Hamas wouldn't be the one to control Gaza I seriously think there would be even a chance for a respectful peace with the palestinians. In addition, I think I should also refer to the the palestinians in Judea and Samaria (Which you might also know as the west bank). Those palestinians hate Hamas. The people over there still remember the pictures of Fatah leaders being thrown from the roofs in Gaza. They see Hamas as a fanatic movement and wish it would disappear. Now that we see that the Israelis, The palestinians in Gaza and The palestinians in Judea & Samaria that Hamas & the other terrorist organizations is not liked by anyone . Oh actually I am wrong. Bashaar Asad , Hugo Chaves and Muhamed Mursi did support the Hamas and condemned Israel for bombarding the Hamas. From that we can conclude that Hamas must be removed from Gaza, or else people on both sides would keep living in fear and there will be no chance for a real peace treaty.

[Forsaken]

This happens over and over. The Israelis sometimes refer to it as "cutting the grass". The militants grow too much, and start launching rockets like crazy, then the Israelis go in and cut em down to size. Repeat in a year or two.

[Original Poster]

Go home Israel. You're drunk.

[Beefer]

Lol Israel is at home, and it is under bombardment. And also HATERS GONNA HATE! XD

[cmind]

Lol Israel is at home, and it is under bombardment. And also HATERS GONNA HATE! XD Jerusalem hasn't been the home of the Jews since the middle ages. Unless you want to include that time when the allied powers forcefully annexed it in the aftermath of WW2?

[ThePreserver]

Lovely to know that $2 billion of my country's annual taxes pay for the bombs being dropped on civilians. I think we should at least get to write an apology letter on the bombs...

[Beefer]

Jerusalem hasn't been the home of the Jews since the middle ages. Unless you want to include that time when the allied powers forcefully annexed it in the aftermath of WW2? Jews always lived here. It is true though that the last time we had an autonomy here was probably in the times of the Hasmonean dynasty and later on king Herod (166 bc - 4 bc). Even after the romans killed & exiled most of the Jews and changed the name of the province "Judea" to "Palestine" (in order to break the spirit of the jewish rebels), some of them kept on living here. I know for example that my family had been living here for the last 11 generations (there might be more ,but that is as far as I know ). Also it is wrong to say that allied powers annexed us upon the region since they never really helped us to establish a state. The only thing close to that was that the British empire declared back in 1417 that "His Majesty's Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people..." in order to get away from some of their promises towards France. They even banished jews to Cyprus when they ran away from Hitler back in WW2. Now in response to the preserver. Israel is making great efforts to avoid harming innocent people in Gaza. Although the task is very difficult since the Gaza Strip is the area most densely populated in the world, and especially because almost all rocket launches are carried out of population centers. Also you should know that America has actually helped finance the Iron Dome which is essential to the protection of Israeli Civilians.

[Kaenthem]

Don't jump to conclusion too fast. The middle east was always a troublesome neighborhood . Also the events taking place in syria are not related to those in Israel & Gaza. Now as an Israeli I think I can say that most Israelis support operation "Cloud Pillar" and I think I can also say that the palestinians themselves support it. Now lets look first on the Israeli side since it is quite simple and tragic. It has been over a decade since Hamas took over the Gaza strip. Since then the terrorist organizations : Hamas & The Islamic Jihad Had been firing missiles and rockets toward Israel. People are suffering from an everyday bombardment which takes place multiple times a day . I heard from friends that they can't even leave the shelter (without mentioning the examples which are displayed on the TV) . Now try to Imagine that for over a decade you live in fear that one day a missile will destroy your house or even kill you , your mom , your dad , a friend ,your girlfriend and maybe even your dog. No sane country can let such a situation exist. I can tell you from my own experience that it is not fun to stop playing with your little brother and run to the shelter ,just because a fanatic muslim terrorist decided so. Now for the side of the palestinian which live in Gaza. The civilians in Gaza are used as a human shield. The terrorist organizations in Gaza (The Islamic Jihad & Hamas) Are locating their bases and armories near civil population. By that I mean : Kindergartens, hospitals , schools, gas stations, mosques and why? That is quite simple. Because they know that we don't want to harm civilians. That is why the IDF puts lots of effort in planning and calculating each attack. This is a tough reality for the palestinians in Gaza. If Hamas wouldn't be the one to control Gaza I seriously think there would be even a chance for a respectful peace with the palestinians. In addition, I think I should also refer to the the palestinians in Judea and Samaria (Which you might also know as the west bank). Those palestinians hate Hamas. The people over there still remember the pictures of Fatah leaders being thrown from the roofs in Gaza. They see Hamas as a fanatic movement and wish it would disappear. Now that we see that the Israelis, The palestinians in Gaza and The palestinians in Judea & Samaria that Hamas & the other terrorist organizations is not liked by anyone . Oh actually I am wrong. Bashaar Asad , Hugo Chaves and Muhamed Mursi did support the Hamas and condemned Israel for bombarding the Hamas. From that we can conclude that Hamas must be removed from Gaza, or else people on both sides would keep living in fear and there will be no chance for a real peace treaty. Oh please,are you actually telling me that the Israelis are in actual danger because of hamas.They are not, they were the ones to invade a country that didn't belonged to them and now they're the victims! that's absurd. If you take a look at the number of The palestinians that died because of israel, and the number of Israelis that died because of palestine.You can't even compare one to another. you can't imagine what kind of life the palastinians are living. I don't have much time to argue with you but I felt that I must add another thing.Please don't refer to terrorists as musilms.They have no relation with Islam whatsoever.Even the word Islam means peace, so please don't do that.

[Universal Mind]

If you establish a country in a hornets' nest, you are going to be fighting hornets. I just wish they would stop expecting the U.S. and our allies to be their body guards while they so arrogantly and selfishly have a homeland in a hornets' nest.

[Spartiate]

Even the word Islam means peace, so please don't do that. It means "submission". The word muslim means "one who submits to god".

[Kaenthem]

I know that, don't try to teach me my own langauge,some people says that it's derived from the word "istisslam" which means what you said.others say that it's derived from "salam" which means peace.either way, it's not a religion of violence.

[Universal Mind]

it's not a religion of violence. It seems to influence a lot of violence. Why is that? Are the radicals misinterpreting certain verses of the Koran?

[Kaenthem]

Unviersal Mind.Yes,they are endeed misinterpreting certain verses of the Koran.I would of liked to discuss this with you right now, but I don't have much time, maybe another time.

[Beefer]

Oh please,are you actually telling me that the Israelis are in actual danger because of hamas.They are not, they were the ones to invade a country that didn't belonged to them and now they're the victims! that's absurd. If you take a look at the number of The palestinians that died because of israel, and the number of Israelis that died because of palestine.You can't even compare one to another. you can't imagine what kind of life the palastinians are living. I don't have much time to argue with you but I felt that I must add another thing.Please don't refer to terrorists as musilms.They have no relation with Islam whatsoever.Even the word Islam means peace, so please don't do that. That is easy to say when you live in Europe , America and actually any where peaceful around the world. It is not only about casualties which the Israeli side had a lot along the years (even before the Hamas). People live in fear of death everyday here. I have to grab my little brother out of his bed in the middle of the night to the sound of an alarm when those terrorist shoot missiles at us. No one died because of the hamas !? Where the heck do you live!? Just today a bus was hit by a missile, a house in Rishon Le Chiyon got Blown up , a class room in Beever-Sheva was destroyed and a soldier & a civilian were killed due to rocket launching by terrorists. Don't say things you don't know. Although it is we have less casualties and you know why? We do whatever we can to protect ourselves from terrorists. Hamas and the Islamic Jihad movement are on the other hand are using Children as human shields!!! How the hell do you expect that we wouldn't ever hit any civilians that way?! We do try our best ,the IDF calculates ,plans ,warns before every attack so civilians wouldn't get hurt. And still brats like you call us murderers. The whole south of the country, millions of people, are enduring this reality for over a decade! Did you think we kill people for fun?! No! We do what we do so our children will maybe will not have to endure it one day. Kids are born here and their first instead of mom and dad are Alarm and Shelter. Hamas and the Islamic Jihad movement are terrorist organizations. I don't call them terrorists because they are arabs or muslims. I call them terrorists because they send rockets and missiles toward innocent population , using civilized populations as human shields , violate most of the UN's rules and call for the destruction of a whole population in public. They don't even hide the fact that they are terrorists! You need to be blind in order not to see that. Today the world is starting to understand it so countries like Germany, Britain, U.S.A, France even showed support towards operation "Pillar Of Defense". But it seems that no matter how much we will follow the UN's rules , fulfill Geneva Conventions , transfer trucks of supplies and aid into Gaza we would be considered murderers while the Hamas and the Islamic Jihad would be considered as saints.

[ThePreserver]

Now in response to the preserver. Israel is making great efforts to avoid harming innocent people in Gaza. Although the task is very difficult since the Gaza Strip is the area most densely populated in the world, and especially because almost all rocket launches are carried out of population centers. Also you should know that America has actually helped finance the Iron Dome which is essential to the protection of Israeli Civilians. I'm well aware that the US funded the Iron Dome (a weaponry system) as well as all of the bombers, missiles, and helicopters being used. If Israel were "making great efforts to avoiding harming innocents" they wouldn't be bombing civilians. I'm pretty sure their history of subjugating the Palestinians and literally bulldozing their homes speaks for itself. But hey, it's all in the name of restoring some sort of homeland that somehow Jews are welcome to return to even if they haven't had ancestors there for 20 generations. Meanwhile, Palestinians born and descendent from people who lived there are restricted of their movement and deprived of their land, corralled into fenced-in sections of the West Bank and Gaza, constantly under threat of being relocated yet again. But what do you expect when the world's largest police force is funding the oppressors?

[Kaenthem]

That is easy to say when you live in Europe , America and actually any where peaceful around the world. It is not only about casualties which the Israeli side had a lot along the years (even before the Hamas). People live in fear of death everyday here. I have to grab my little brother out of his bed in the middle of the night to the sound of an alarm when those terrorist shoot missiles at us. No one died because of the hamas !? Where the heck do you live!? Just today a bus was hit by a missile, a house in Rishon Le Chiyon got Blown up , a class room in Beever-Sheva was destroyed and a soldier & a civilian were killed due to rocket launching by terrorists. Don't say things you don't know. Although it is we have less casualties and you know why? We do whatever we can to protect ourselves from terrorists. Hamas and the Islamic Jihad movement are on the other hand are using Children as human shields!!! How the hell do you expect that we wouldn't ever hit any civilians that way?! We do try our best ,the IDF calculates ,plans ,warns before every attack so civilians wouldn't get hurt. And still brats like you call us murderers. The whole south of the country, millions of people, are enduring this reality for over a decade! Did you think we kill people for fun?! No! We do what we do so our children will maybe will not have to endure it one day. Kids are born here and their first instead of mom and dad are Alarm and Shelter. Hamas and the Islamic Jihad movement are terrorist organizations. I don't call them terrorists because they are arabs or muslims. I call them terrorists because they send rockets and missiles toward innocent population , using civilized populations as human shields , violate most of the UN's rules and call for the destruction of a whole population in public. They don't even hide the fact that they are terrorists! You need to be blind in order not to see that. Today the world is starting to understand it so countries like Germany, Britain, U.S.A, France even showed support towards operation "Pillar Of Defense". But it seems that no matter how much we will follow the UN's rules , fulfill Geneva Conventions , transfer trucks of supplies and aid into Gaza we would be considered murderers while the Hamas and the Islamic Jihad would be considered as saints. I did experience a similair situation in the black era from 1990 to 2000 here in my country.I know the feeling of all of what you said.but the problem was never solved by violence. as another forum memeber said "If you establish a country in a hornets' nest, you are going to be fighting hornets" Let's say that you left your house.it's no longer your home, and then another person found the house empty so he took it.he lived there for many many many years and then you came and now you are trying to take your home back.You can't do that! because it's no longer your house.you abondened it and now it has other inhabitants.inhabitants that won't leave it just because another nation want's that house.Not like you the ones that abonded their home because of the roman empier or something.real nation's,real fighters don't give up and abandon there home. you said " I don't call them terrorists because they are arabs or muslims. I call them terrorists because they send rockets and missiles toward innocent population " then what should you call israel. the one bombarding gaza with high tech missiles that can't even be compared to home made missiles.and as I said before,did you honstly think that the plastinians will watch you take over there country.of cource thery won't.they will try and defend their home with all of what they got.even if they're not supported by the number one country in the world.

[Beefer]

Spoiler for The Preserver's comment: I'm well aware that the US funded the Iron Dome (a weaponry system) as well as all of the bombers, missiles, and helicopters being used. If Israel were "making great efforts to avoiding harming innocents" they wouldn't be bombing civilians. I'm pretty sure their history of subjugating the Palestinians and literally bulldozing their homes speaks for itself. But hey, it's all in the name of restoring some sort of homeland that somehow Jews are welcome to return to even if they haven't had ancestors there for 20 generations. Meanwhile, Palestinians born and descendent from people who lived there are restricted of their movement and deprived of their land, corralled into fenced-in sections of the West Bank and Gaza, constantly under threat of being relocated yet again. But what do you expect when the world's largest police force is funding the oppressors? Spoiler for areyoume's comment: I did experience a similair situation in the black era from 1990 to 2000 here in my country.I know the feeling of all of what you said.but the problem was never solved by violence. as another forum memeber said "If you establish a country in a hornets' nest, you are going to be fighting hornets" Let's say that you left your house.it's no longer your home, and then another person found the house empty so he took it.he lived there for many many many years and then you came and now you are trying to take your home back.You can't do that! because it's no longer your house.you abondened it and now it has other inhabitants.inhabitants that won't leave it just because another nation want's that house.Not like you the ones that abonded their home because of the roman empier or something.real nation's,real fighters don't give up and abandon there home. you said " I don't call them terrorists because they are arabs or muslims. I call them terrorists because they send rockets and missiles toward innocent population " then what should you call israel. the one bombarding gaza with high tech missiles that can't even be compared to home made missiles.and as I said before,did you honstly think that the plastinians will watch you take over there country.of cource thery won't.they will try and defend their home with all of what they got.even if they're not supported by the number one country in the world. Let me reply to both of you at the same time. We didn't just leave our country , we stood up against the Romans which tried to take it away from us ,but we were forced out of it. We tried to continue living outside it ,but frankly other nations didn't really like the new foreigners which with time became more and more hated by those around them for just being different. We were discriminated , convicted ,robbed , raped ,killed and murdered by Discriminators all around the world. This trouble which gained the name "The Problem of the Jews" existed for about 2000 years. Then came a great man back in 1882 , his name was Leon Pinsker. After he experienced the pogroms and the anti-Semitism in South-East Russia he understood a solution for the problem must be found. His solution was the establishment of a Jewish State where the Jews will be able to revive their autonomy. Then others like him started to appear like Theodor Herzl , Chaim Weizmann and many other Jews which decided that the only solution is to establish a Jewish state. That is how the Zionist movement was established. Jews started to come to Israel and a new jewish community started to grow here. After the holocaust where 6 million Jews were burned ,gassed , shot and murdered by the Nazis in the most Barbaric & Cruel way the world has ever seen , all the world started to recognize the trouble of the Jewish people. Then on November 29 , 1947 the world acknowledged the right of the Jewish people to establish a state in the Land of Israel by a democratic vote. Now the UN had also plans to divide the country between the Arabs and the Jews. Seems fair right? I mean you are right the Arabs were also living here so they should also have some of the land right? Here is one of the those plans: Spoiler for Peel Commision Division Plan: Note that the map was taken from a palestinian resource. Now you might be thinking : "Ok if there was a division plan why isn't there an Arab state today beside the Jewish state". That is because it was rejected. By who? Surprisingly the Arabs rejected this plan flatly . You can see clearly that the Arab territory (in brownish-green) is much larger than the Jewish territory (in purple). Also note that they were given Jerusalem in this agreement. Now it seems like a bad deal for the Jews right? They get almost no territory and it is not even excluding Jerusalem. Now here is the response from the leader of the Jewish community in Israel , David Ben-Gurion : "We are being given an opportunity which we never dared to dream of in our wildest imagination. This is more than a state, government and sovereignty---this is a national consolidation in a free homeland. ... if because of our weakness, neglect or negligence, the thing is not done, then we will have lost a chance which we never had before, and may never have again." . The Jews accepted most of the offers which were given by the British crown and the UN , while the Arabs rejected every one of them. Now why did they reject it? It seems you need to be crazy to not accept such a deal. There Arabs were not stupid as it might seem , No. They knew that if an Jewish state would be establish the Neighboring Arab countries will invade it and as they said: "We will throw the Jews to the sea". They were planning to kill us all back then. Now we are not really good swimmers you see... but we are good at some other stuff. On the day the british left the country all of the neighboring Arab countries launched an attack on the Jewish communities and Jews declared of the establishment of The State Of Israel. The israeli army was weak , with old technology , not much combat means and actually not much people. What happened next was almost a miracle. The Jews defeated all of the Arab countries and got ahold of much more territory than they were promised with. Now areyoume remember saying that we didn't deserve this country since we just left it (which proved to be false) ? Well then what will you say if I would tell you the these Arabs (The future Palestinians) ran away from their homes before the war? They didn't want be caught in the middle of a war and thought that after the Jews will die they would be able to go back to their homes. Frankly we didn't die XD . That reason that there are some many Palestinians in the Gaza strip and in Judea and Samaria (Including East Jerusalem) is because that those were territories that were conquered by the Egyptian and the Jordanian armies . Therefore the Jews didn't just decided to lock the 'poor' Palestinians in Gaza and in the West Bank as you said (not sure which of you). Now the thing is that you need to understand that the reality here is quite complex. You can't just ignore the past 2000 years or even the past 100 years and choose to look at what ever you want. I am also sorry for the long post ,but a complex reality requires a complex and long post. I don't blame you for not knowing the whole truth or even a bit of it. You don't leave here. You know nothing of what happens here ,but some photos of pro-Palestinian propaganda.

[Kaenthem]

Let me reply to both of you at the same time. We didn't just leave our country , we stood up against the Romans which tried to take it away from us ,but we were forced out of it. We tried to continue living outside it ,but frankly other nations didn't really like the new foreigners which with time became more and more hated by those around them for just being different. We were discriminated , convicted ,robbed , raped ,killed and murdered by Discriminators all around the world. This trouble which gained the name "The Problem of the Jews" existed for about 2000 years. Then came a great man back in 1882 , his name was Leon Pinsker. After he experienced the pogroms and the anti-Semitism in South-East Russia he understood a solution for the problem must be found. His solution was the establishment of a Jewish State where the Jews will be able to revive their autonomy. Then others like him started to appear like Theodor Herzl , Chaim Weizmann and many other Jews which decided that the only solution is to establish a Jewish state. That is how the Zionist movement was established. Jews started to come to Israel and a new jewish community started to grow here. After the holocaust where 6 million Jews were burned ,gassed , shot and murdered by the Nazis in the most Barbaric & Cruel way the world has ever seen , all the world started to recognize the trouble of the Jewish people. Then on November 29 , 1947 the world acknowledged the right of the Jewish people to establish a state in the Land of Israel by a democratic vote. Now the UN had also plans to divide the country between the Arabs and the Jews. Seems fair right? I mean you are right the Arabs were also living here so they should also have some of the land right? Here is one of the those plans: Spoiler for Peel Commision Division Plan: Note that the map was taken from a palestinian resource. Now you might be thinking : "Ok if there was a division plan why isn't there an Arab state today beside the Jewish state". That is because it was rejected. By who? Surprisingly the Arabs rejected this plan flatly . You can see clearly that the Arab territory (in brownish-green) is much larger than the Jewish territory (in purple). Also note that they were given Jerusalem in this agreement. Now it seems like a bad deal for the Jews right? They get almost no territory and it is not even excluding Jerusalem. Now here is the response from the leader of the Jewish community in Israel , David Ben-Gurion : "We are being given an opportunity which we never dared to dream of in our wildest imagination. This is more than a state, government and sovereignty---this is a national consolidation in a free homeland. ... if because of our weakness, neglect or negligence, the thing is not done, then we will have lost a chance which we never had before, and may never have again." . The Jews accepted most of the offers which were given by the British crown and the UN , while the Arabs rejected every one of them. Now why did they reject it? It seems you need to be crazy to not accept such a deal. There Arabs were not stupid as it might seem , No. They knew that if an Jewish state would be establish the Neighboring Arab countries will invade it and as they said: "We will throw the Jews to the sea". They were planning to kill us all back then. Now we are not really good swimmers you see... but we are good at some other stuff. On the day the british left the country all of the neighboring Arab countries launched an attack on the Jewish communities and Jews declared of the establishment of The State Of Israel. The israeli army was weak , with old technology , not much combat means and actually not much people. What happened next was almost a miracle. The Jews defeated all of the Arab countries and got ahold of much more territory than they were promised with. Now areyoume remember saying that we didn't deserve this country since we just left it (which proved to be false) ? Well then what will you say if I would tell you the these Arabs (The future Palestinians) ran away from their homes before the war? They didn't want be caught in the middle of a war and thought that after the Jews will die they would be able to go back to their homes. Frankly we didn't die XD . That reason that there are some many Palestinians in the Gaza strip and in Judea and Samaria (Including East Jerusalem) is because that those were territories that were conquered by the Egyptian and the Jordanian armies . Therefore the Jews didn't just decided to lock the 'poor' Palestinians in Gaza and in the West Bank as you said (not sure which of you). Now the thing is that you need to understand that the reality here is quite complex. You can't just ignore the past 2000 years or even the past 100 years and choose to look at what ever you want. I am also sorry for the long post ,but a complex reality requires a complex and long post. I don't blame you for not knowing the whole truth or even a bit of it. You don't leave here. You know nothing of what happens here ,but some photos of pro-Palestinian propaganda. First of all, you said that you tried to stay but couldn't.well, I think that you didn't try hard enaugh! Yes you heared me right.As an example, my dear country was colinized by france for 130 years.France tried every and each single thing to make my country "which is Algeria" a part of france.They killed, they tortured, they tried to get the Algerians out of their own country, but they couldn't.They demolished schools and build new french schools in the malicious attempte to erase our national constituents.I can go on and on like this forever.We never gave up! About the plans.even if the arab aproved to that it would of never happen.in addition you olny mentioned that plan but forgot to mention this plan which look like a fair division Spoiler for Plan: Either way, the arab would've never accepted this for a simple reason (as I mentioned many times "We don't just give our country, even if it's the smallest peice of it") Then you claimed that the arabs attacked! of cource they did, because and as I said many times "palastine won't be just given to you on a plate of silver" and you didn't Miracly won this war.You won because of the simple fact that you were aided by the USA and other countries.

[ThePreserver]

I have a very short, simple response for this. We were discriminated , convicted ,robbed , raped ,killed and murdered by Discriminators all around the world. So does this give you the right to discriminate, convict, rob, rape, kill, or murder anyone else? No. The answer is no.

[Original Poster]

Lol Israel is at home, and it is under bombardment. And also HATERS GONNA HATE! XD You don't deserve to like FMA.

[Universal Mind]

areyoume, what is the solution? Would you be willing to have a secular democracy in which Jews and Muslims are considered equals under the law?

[Carôusoul]

JIDF please leave