Thread: Was Sandy Hook a Hoax?

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

Okay, there are reports and witnesses. We already knew that. Can you find any video of what went on at the school with frantic parents, kids, employees, and EMS all over the place?

No, but what would you be looking for in the video? The people who would film anything of value would be the media, who were there in force. But as usual, they weren't allowed close enough to the school to get anything good.

No, but we still have lots of immediate family members speaking in a three part documentary.

And EACH AND EVERY ONE of them acted as if nothing was wrong? Give me a timestamp.

According to Andrea McCarren, Sally Cox reported the identity of "shooter's mother" to Andrea McCarren. I still don't understand how that could get fucked up.

But no names were mentioned. Cox evidently knew a kindergarten teacher had been killed. As you said previously, as the school nurse (for 15 years as McCarren reports), she probably knew all of the teachers. Maybe some of their family as well. If she bought into the early (and false) reports of the shooter being that teacher's son, it's entirely reasonable for her to say that there were no indications that the teacher's son had any issues or any problems (since the teacher's real son probably doesn't), and that she thought the teacher was a loving, caring person.

Now, if the name "Nancy Lanza" or "Adam Lanza" had been mentioned, the report probably would've been entirely different.

Considering the rest of the Twiligh Zone mystery, I am interested in both. Either Emilie or her body double is in that picture.

By body double I hope you mean her sister Madeline (since that's who it is).

I agree that I should be as objective as possible, but I think this conspiracy theory has a ton more evidence and unanswered questions.

Is that because you want it to be a hoax? It'd fit the worldview that bad people are out to cause trouble en masse.

Originally Posted by BLUELINE976

No, but what would you be looking for in the video? The people who would film anything of value would be the media, who were there in force. But as usual, they weren't allowed close enough to the school to get anything good.

The media didn't even take pictures from a distance or from a helicopter? They filmed the people walking in a circle at the firehouse. Why not the school? About all we have are witnesses, documents, and a photograph of some kids walking with a teacher.

Originally Posted by BLUELINE976

And EACH AND EVERY ONE of them acted as if nothing was wrong? Give me a timestamp.

No, I said that none of them showed a tear (except maybe the Soto sister for a brief moment) or acted the general way people act when they are extremely upset. Remember... What's weird is that a lot of people were interviewed, and finding a tear is like finding a needle in a haystack. Do you understand what I am saying?

Originally Posted by BLUELINE976

But no names were mentioned. Cox evidently knew a kindergarten teacher had been killed. As you said previously, as the school nurse (for 15 years as McCarren reports), she probably knew all of the teachers. Maybe some of their family as well. If she bought into the early (and false) reports of the shooter being that teacher's son, it's entirely reasonable for her to say that there were no indications that the teacher's son had any issues or any problems (since the teacher's real son probably doesn't), and that she thought the teacher was a loving, caring person.

Now, if the name "Nancy Lanza" or "Adam Lanza" had been mentioned, the report probably would've been entirely different.

That is the best possibility suggestion I have come across yet, but wouldn't the school nurse have found out by then that the kindergarten teacher's son wasn't the shooter? This situation would have been a gossip fest.

Originally Posted by BLUELINE976

By body double I hope you mean her sister Madeline (since that's who it is).

I mean genetic replica with the same hair part and outfit.

Originally Posted by BLUELINE976

Is that because you want it to be a hoax? It'd fit the worldview that bad people are out to cause trouble en masse.

I would hate for it to be real. It would mean we are almost finished as a country. I just want to get to the bottom of it. Are you in complete denial about the fact that all of the issues come together to form a big picture that is insane?

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

The media didn't even take pictures from a distance or from a helicopter? They filmed the people walking in a circle at the firehouse. Why not the school? About all we have are witnesses, documents, and a photograph of some kids walking with a teacher.

I didn't follow the news coverage closely that day. Did they have helicopter shots of the school? Probably. Were they allowed to stand right outside the building and film bodies and/or weapons being pulled out? I doubt it. What exactly would you be looking for? A cameraman following a response team extracting the exact weapons?

No, I said that none of them showed a tear (except maybe the Soto sister for a brief moment) or acted the general way people act when they are extremely upset. Remember... What's weird is that a lot of people were interviewed, and finding a tear is like finding a needle in a haystack. Do you understand what I am saying?

I understand, yes. But I'm challenging the notion that people behave in any "general way" when under severe stress. There will be some commonalities, but others bottle up their grief. Others let it out. Others turn to humor. Others become automatons. Give me a timestamp in your three-part documentary that shows these families so I can comment further.

That is the best possibility suggestion I have come across yet, but wouldn't the school nurse have found out by then that the kindergarten teacher's son wasn't the shooter? This situation would have been a gossip fest.

Depends on when McCarren talked to Cox. Judging by the report it seems to have taken place earlier in the day (the report was given at night).

I would hate for it to be real. It would mean we are almost finished as a country. I just want to get to the bottom of it. Are you in complete denial about the fact that all of the issues come together to form a big picture that is insane?

I deny that these facts form a picture that says Sandy Hook was faked in any way, not just because conspiracy theorists have an awful track record of successfully connecting the appropriate dots, but because the facts do not form such a picture.

What's the point of that video? I don't get the annotations in it either. BS story? What?

Originally Posted by BLUELINE976

I didn't follow the news coverage closely that day. Did they have helicopter shots of the school? Probably. Were they allowed to stand right outside the building and film bodies and/or weapons being pulled out? I doubt it. What exactly would you be looking for? A cameraman following a response team extracting the exact weapons?

That would be good. So would pictures/video of... anything. How about a picture of Adam Lanza entering the school?

Originally Posted by BLUELINE976

I understand, yes. But I'm challenging the notion that people behave in any "general way" when under severe stress. There will be some commonalities, but others bottle up their grief. Others let it out. Others turn to humor. Others become automatons. Give me a timestamp in your three-part documentary that shows these families so I can comment further.

That's right. Grief can be handled in different ways. But somebody in such a large group will cry real tears at some point. Many of the interviews took place within days of the shooting, which happened just six months ago.

Notice something else about the interviews (Have you watched any of them?). Not one person expresses the slightest trace of anger against the shooter. The ones who give any opinions of the incident just bitch about guns and say we need to ban them. Can you imagine the obscene thoughts of hatred you would be having against such a person? Have you heard Ron Goldman talk about O.J. Simpson? Goldman didn't blame the murder of his son on a knife. Have you heard Tupac Shakur's mother talk about Tupac's killer? Have you seen videos of people speaking to juries during sentencing hearings for murderers? Tears are absent from the Sandy Hook interviews, and so are expressions of anger. They are nonexistent. Honestly, do you see the slightest thing strange about that?

Originally Posted by BLUELINE976

Depends on when McCarren talked to Cox. Judging by the report it seems to have taken place earlier in the day (the report was given at night).

That would have given Cox plenty of time to call the news station and say, "Oh, sorry. The school nurse's son didn't really create this horrible tragedy. Sorry about the false information."

Originally Posted by BLUELINE976

I deny that these facts form a picture that says Sandy Hook was faked in any way, not just because conspiracy theorists have an awful track record of successfully connecting the appropriate dots, but because the facts do not form such a picture.

What's the point of that video? I don't get the annotations in it either. BS story? What?

The kid and the teacher tell two seemingly different stories about what they heard. Also, the teacher's story about going into the 3 X 2 bathroom with 15 kids and reading them books is extremely bizarre. If they had their "morning meeting" in a room other than the classroom, why did they not have it in the classroom? If they had the meeting in the classroom, what was a bathroom doing in the classroom? Why did she not keep everybody completely quiet so they wouldn't be detected? Visualize her story. It's more Twilight Zone.

This video adds more perspective.



The maker doesn't agree with the grief or gun report arguments, but I think he is overlooking some important points. The other stuff added is very considerable. The school has been shut down ever since, nobody is allowed on school property, Adam Lanza would have been a better marksman than any other massacre shooter in history, Lanza would have had an assault rifle and practiced to be Rambo with it although assault weapons are illegal in Connecticut and he had not been seen for three years, Lanza's death report says he died on December 13, nobody can explain where the report that he had Aperger's originated, the medical examiner is really shady, reports say there is still an investigation into who a second shooter might have been, the school had a very expensive security system, other things. I saw another video that has a reporter saying that there was no sign of glass being broken for Lanza to enter the school, but people had to check in. How did Lanza get in?

You can go all over YouTube and Google and see actual news reports, interviews, photographs, raised issues, etc. No one video or site I have come across contains all of it. You can do research for miles on this situation. It's pretty fucking crazy.