Thread: More Stupidy!!! At The Border!!!

I agree. These people work for a living. I mean they WORK. They do all of the stuff that most Americans would turn their noses up at. And they're stealing our jobs? What kind of shit are people thinking? I respect immigrants for being the very backbone of America, and afterall...Aren't all Americans immigrants at some level? I mean, everyone has an ancestor who came from somewhere else. Who are we to spit in their faces? Anyway, I can't belive this is going on in America....Or perhaps I can. *sigh* This is issue is one that the Government got started anyway....To bring the attention away from it's other evil doings. That's my rant.

I have a lot of mixed feelings about what’s going on at the borders, so it’s hard to state where I stand. On one hand, I do believe that this nation was stolen, to begin with. I don’t believe anyone can rightfully lay claim to something as “their (our) land,” when it was ill-gotten. In this right, immigrants, illegal or otherwise, should be able to assimilate into our culture without getting the third degree from anyone. I can’t argue with that at all.
However, that concept seems to be lost on so many American people, that it doesn’t even play a major role in this whole debate, so for the sake of argument, I’ll go with what’s been at the forefront:
I have many friends and family who have come here “legally,” going through months and months of red tape and hundreds of dollars to do things the “right way.” I do find it a disservice to all of these people to suddenly just open up the border to anyone who wants to come in to the country and assimilate. (However the past is the past and I understand the will to look passed that.)
But to “leave the illegal immigrants alone,” may be to advocate unleashing a flood of literally tens, maybe hundreds of millions of “illegal” immigrants into the US over the next decade or so. I set the number so high because we have to realize that to allow “illegal” immigration from the Mexican border is to allow it on all fronts. You look at our school systems in bordering states like California and Texas and the teachers are being literally Overwhelmed by the sheer numbers of students of all races, which has to do with our own population growth as well as immigration. To allow an influx of immigrants of that size (“Illegal” or otherwise) could quite possibly cripple our, already wounded, educational system.
I’m not one to advocate economy over humanity, and I still don’t know exactly where I stand on it, but we have two options: Close the borders and enforce them, or open them completely. I think anything in between would be hypocrisy, and I don’t see that as a suitable answer to Anything. Given those options, we have to look at the economic turmoil we could be calling upon ourselves if we decide to open the borders to anyone and everyone looking for a better life. The grass may not be greener after a dozen years or so of an unprecedented insurgence of immigrants from all around the world (because let’s face it, if we open the borders completely, without holding folks to the same systems of registration and whatnot as we do now, it’s not just those South of the border that we are going to be taking in.)
One thing I definitely have a problem with, is every single time I hear the words “Doing Jobs American’s won’t do.” That’s BS if I’ve ever heard it. Some well-fed college grad from upper suburbia wouldn’t know a “job that an American wouldn’t do” if their life depended on it. (and I’m simply stating that as a generalization. I’m not meaning to call anyone out.) Remarks like that are said in the context of the speakers’ own standards of living, which means absolutely shit to many minorities such as myself. Many Americans now, of all colors and creeds, are still the hardworking blood, sweat and tears Americans that made this nation what it is today. Construction workers, Waste Management Employees, Cattle Ranchers, Warehouse crewmembers, etc. etc. What no one wants to finish off the thought “..which American’s won’t do” with is: “…at the Wages and lack of benefits being offered for those positions.” That wage is not going to go up, because “guest workers” will do the jobs for those wages. It’s a cycle that cuts back to the same basis; The Economy, which is a basis that has both positive and negative influences. However that’s a part of the economy that I may be a lot more willing to deal with, (having to be taxed for respectable wages for documented Americans to work those types of jobs) instead of the repercussions that could arise from simply opening the borders completely and saying “come on in.”
But again, there are so many variables to the whole immigration thing that I truly can’t state just one case, so I don’t have any real opinion how I feel about the whole thing. I really am not the type that wants, say, a huge wall or the armed guards on the border saying “Keep the fuck out,” to everyone just trying to come here to work for a better life for their family, but I think there are just so many more factors in this whole ordeal that many people from both sides of the spectrum are completely overlooking.

Originally posted by SEN. JOHN MCCAIN
Now, my friends, I'll offer anybody here $50 an hour if you'll go pick lettuce in Yuma this season and pick for the whole season. So -- OK? Sign up. OK.

You sign up. You sign up, and you'll be there for the whole season, the whole season. OK? Not just one day. Because you can't do it, my friend.

That man needs to be taken out into the street and castrated for saying something like that. I mean it's bad enough to insult the drive of the American workforce, but $50 an hour? You show me ONE "guest worker" that makes $50 an hour. Seriously. If they exist, I'm missing something.

So you are telling me that an actual Professor is stupid enough to use the expression "to do the work that no American will do".

Well, he must have been appointed Professor because of support from the Free Masons, because he is stupid.

Any American will do any Job if the pay is right.

Allowing desperate subsistence level labor into the country only depresses wages for everybody who is already here. That is why Labor has always opposed unrestricted immigration, and why Capitalists have always encouraged it.

And then your Professor should right an obscene and angry essay about the Glories of the Institution of Acedemic Tenure... the only reason such an idiot as himself would still have a job after such a display of stupidity.

Originally posted by Leo Volont
So you are telling me that an actual Professor is stupid enough to use the expression "to do the work that no American will do".
Well, he must have been appointed Professor because of support from the Free Masons, because he is stupid.
Any American will do any Job if the pay is right.
Allowing desperate subsistence level labor into the country only depresses wages for everybody who is already here. That is why Labor has always opposed unrestricted immigration, and why Capitalists have always encouraged it.
And then your Professor should right an obscene and angry essay about the Glories of the Institution of Acedemic Tenure... the only reason such an idiot as himself would still have a job after such a display of stupidity.

Tell us how you really feel LEO.
I do believe you are right.

We are a melting pot.
Just as nature would have it, if you mix all the primary colors as our society does with the mixture race, religion and societies, it turns grey.

Originally posted by Leo Volont
So you are telling me that an actual Professor is stupid enough to use the expression "to do the work that no American will do".

Well, he must have been appointed Professor because of support from the Free Masons, because he is stupid.

Any American will do any Job if the pay is right.

Allowing desperate subsistence level labor into the country only depresses wages for everybody who is already here. That is why Labor has always opposed unrestricted immigration, and why Capitalists have always encouraged it.

And then your Professor should right an obscene and angry essay about the Glories of the Institution of Acedemic Tenure... the only reason such an idiot as himself would still have a job after such a display of stupidity.

he's not a professor, stupid head

if you'd checked the SOURCE I posted at the end, you would have garnered that information for yourself

you're the stupid, stupid

of course every single person in america, except for native americans, well actually them too, are immigrants. i believe people should be allowed to live where they choose. but we must remember that countries can only hold so many people before they run out of the resources needed to support that population. this does not really make me support enforcement of our borders, because it is not the only point of entry to the U.S. what does make me support enforcement of the borders, is that the way the U.S. is right now, illegal immigrants get free healthcare, education and free lunch programs, without paying a single tax dollar. i'm sorry but the citizens of the U.S. should be the first in line when it comes to these things in thier own country. when this is changed illegal immirgration wont bother me as much. i am against deportation of illegals already in the country though, cause they have no reason not to break laws again in order to stay in the country. in the end i wish there were no borders, but that wont be happening anytime soon

What bothers me is the groups of people that move here. And I can fully understand why they would want to. I would. But then they try to bring about their previous culture here. Fly their flag here, have their ways administered HERE!
Go back home if you like your culture so much.
Otherwise be an American!



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