Quote Originally Posted by ExoByte View Post

[color=#3333FF]But we don't know if things "just are." We dont know if everything is science, we dont know if everything is explainable. We don't know if there is a God up there, we dont know if we as humans serve some higher purpose. Its impossible to know. Things very well may "Just be," but we dont know that and cant know that until we die.
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That is exactly what I mean. Allthough, things are. You can't deny the apples existance when you look at it, smell it, and taste it. It is, and we accept it for that. It just is.
And no, it does not need to be explainable. My belief is that everything, at least in the layers close to our minds, are made solely out of thought. We should start another thread covering this, yes.
It is absolutely true that in our bodies, we are nothing but animals, and we are fools to think otherwise.
The moment you step out of your body, you see things clearer. Some people, including myself can do this, and it's a result of years with meditation and preserving balance. It is not a gift from "God", this is something everyone can do, if they focus. I find it hard to put words on my visions, but I try my best.

Also you said:
"You cant prove that either. That is also more than likely untrue. Our planet Earth wasnt here before. It had to have been created, wether by an act of God, or by a method easily explained by science. It didnt exist before and does now, and Earth wont always be here. Once the sun expands Earth will be englulfed, and destroyed. If it isnt, it will last until our core goes haywire and blows the planet up from the inside. "

I think you are falling into the same trap as I did. These are things that are vary hard to explain with words.
You can't proove anything. A proof has a conclusion, its either valid or invalid. I can't proove that everything as we see it NOW will exist forever. But existance will last forever. It doesn't need a proof to explain that nothing is also carriyng an existance. It is there, vacuum is there. It is existing inside something. Also, this is hard to explain. You speak of scientists and the earth. As I see it the earth is of little importance when it comes to this. Its another dot in the universe.
Scientists on the other side, looks at things from a humans perspective. With the eyes, and they try and explain what's beyond the wall, by looking at it. You know what I mean? You cant define whats beyond, whats in another plane, with experiences gathered in this world. It's forfeit as everything will turn up invalid as it does not fit with a humans experience.

Experiences like:
Everything has a start and an end (life)
Without the sun there will be no life on this earth
Without life there will be no existance.

Now how narrow minded isn't that?

I keep editing this post. Its so hard to say what I really mean.
I actually never said that the earth was here before, and that the earth will last forever.
A material object is a in a state. It's materialized. The earth is materialized now, but it was once free energy.
Material objects wont last forever as they wont stay in the same state forever.
And here is where most people change thinking pattern. I mean that existance has always been, and will always be, the earth itself is energy in a state and it wont stay that way forever.

Do we understand eachother better now? I am sure we share the same thoughts, its just hard to bring forth.