Thread: Americans, Write Your Congressman

What happens after gun control?

The Soviet Union established gun control in 1929. From 1929 to 1953, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Turkey established gun control in 1911. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Germany established gun control in 1938. From 1939 to 1945, 13 million Jews, Gypsies, homosexuals, mentally ill people, and other "mongrelized peoples," unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, 1 million "educated people," unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

TOTAL VICTIMS: 56 MILLION!

(Source for this compliation: JPFO - but each point independently verified by me.)

pj:

Perhaps you didn;t read my earlier post about gun control in New Zealand? Gun control here has worked extremely well. And to my knowledge, we haven't started rounding up and executing anyone. We did make gay marriage legal, strip our country of a national religion to signify toleration, appoint an atheist prime minister, and give the native race of the country, the maori, more rights and privileges than any later cultural group rather than persecute them, though.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan of big government. And the-lack-of-god knows, my country's socialist fucking government DOES have its problems, but gun control is something I will always support. It's worked extremely well here.

Originally Posted by Moonbeam

No, if it's self-defence, the person is in your house (not just on the porch or in the yard), and you don't shoot them in the back, you're pretty good. I've heard to make sure you kill them so they don't sue you later.[/b]

To me, this is the reason why just anyone shouldnt have a gun

Originally Posted by Moonbeam

What happens after gun control?

The Soviet Union established gun control in 1929. From 1929 to 1953, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Turkey established gun control in 1911. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Germany established gun control in 1938. From 1939 to 1945, 13 million Jews, Gypsies, homosexuals, mentally ill people, and other "mongrelized peoples," unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, 1 million "educated people," unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

TOTAL VICTIMS: 56 MILLION!

(Source for this compliation: JPFO - but each point independently verified by me.)[/b]

You think that America's citizens would really rise up with their guns if this happened? Even if anything like that ever happened, what good would your guns be without ammunition supplies?

Originally Posted by Wolffe

These are good occassions for both of these, but are also things that could be prevented just as easily with good household security, a tazer and/or a good phonecall to the police.[/b]

They had a security system, but it was screwed up at the moment. That can happen when you don't even realize it. Thugs often know how to turn those off and even how to cut the wires before they break in so the police can't be notified. I highly recommend home security systems, but people need guns for back up. As for the police, my mother called the police while my father had a gun on the assholes. It took the police about ten minutes to get there. Ten minutes would have been plenty of time for my mother and sister to be raped and for them and my father to be killed. A tazer would have gotten my father killed and then the thugs would have had lots and lots of time with my mother and sister. You can't stand at a distance and make people get on the floor with those. All you can do is threaten to run at them and touch them with it. It's not much better than a fork.

Originally Posted by Wolffe

Perhaps you didn;t read my earlier post about gun control in New Zealand? Gun control here has worked extremely well. And to my knowledge, we haven't started rounding up and executing anyone.[/b]

You're much more fortunate than the people in the countries pj listed. I hope you can trust it to stay that way.

Originally Posted by Universal

You're much more fortunate than the people in the countries pj listed. I hope you can trust it to stay that way.[/b]

Everyone had plenty of guns in Iraq, but it didn't help them :/

Originally Posted by Wolffe

Everyone had plenty of guns in Iraq, but it didn't help them :/[/b]

Are you sure about that? Whatever the case was with that, I know the Coalition guns overthrew their evil government. Besides, we aren't saying guns are a cure all, just a big power bonus for citizens and what should be a right.

Originally Posted by The

Perhaps you didn;t read my earlier post about gun control in New Zealand? Gun control here has worked extremely well. And to my knowledge, we haven't started rounding up and executing anyone. We did make gay marriage legal, strip our country of a national religion to signify toleration, appoint an atheist prime minister, and give the native race of the country, the maori, more rights and privileges than any later cultural group rather than persecute them, though.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan of big government. And the-lack-of-god knows, my country's socialist fucking government DOES have its problems, but gun control is something I will always support. It's worked extremely well here.[/b]

NZ sounds pretty cool, except for the gun control thing. What's the foreign policy like?

Originally Posted by The

pj:

Perhaps you didn;t read my earlier post about gun control in New Zealand? Gun control here has worked extremely well.[/b]

Perhaps I did.

The word YET comes to mind. That, and the simple fact that the only way to achieve gun control is to both empower the government to enforce it and then entrust the government to be fully responsible for your protection afterward.

Both curious things to hear from a man who leans in the directions you sometimes seem to.

Originally Posted by pj

Perhaps I did.

The word YET comes to mind. That, and the simple fact that the only way to achieve gun control is to both empower the government to enforce it and then entrust the government to be fully responsible for your protection afterward.

Both curious things to hear from a man who leans in the directions you sometimes seem to.[/b]

It's all based trusting your government and trusting peace, which is a hard thing to do after the things that have happened throughout history to this very day.

I feel the same thing about the British government and gun control, from what I understand of TBM's feelings

Aren't guns just making you feel safer from the government rather than actually making you safer.

Really, how would pistols and semi automatic assault weapons be of help in the case of something like a military coup? We're talking about ships, airplanes, and tanks. If this is what you're claiming guns will protect you from, then I think its a bit unrealistic. Yes, with gun control it would be easier for the government, but having guns certainly wouldn't do much.

Just something I've thought about for a few years but never commented it.

Originally Posted by pj

What happens after gun control?

The Soviet Union established gun control in 1929. From 1929 to 1953, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Turkey established gun control in 1911. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Germany established gun control in 1938. From 1939 to 1945, 13 million Jews, Gypsies, homosexuals, mentally ill people, and other "mongrelized peoples," unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, 1 million "educated people," unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

TOTAL VICTIMS: 56 MILLION!

(Source for this compliation: JPFO - but each point independently verified by me.)[/b]

Between 1920 and 1945, Jews were not allowed to buy guns.
Millions of Jews were rounded up and exterminated.

GUNS COULD HAVE PREVENTED THE HOLOCAUST!

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That is how full of crap that logic is.

Originally Posted by tyrantt23

Aren't guns just making you feel safer from the government rather than actually making you safer.

Really, how would pistols and semi automatic assault weapons be of help in the case of something like a military coup? We're talking about ships, airplanes, and tanks. If this is what you're claiming guns will protect you from, then I think its a bit unrealistic. Yes, with gun control it would be easier for the government, but having guns certainly wouldn't do much.

Just something I've thought about for a few years but never commented it.[/b]

Yeah exactly what I was trying to say earlier; they create a false sense of security, because, lets face it, all criminals are going to be way better than you at shooting, with bigger guns; it's just how crime/war works. Having a gun for self-defence just gives them a bigger reason to shoot you, and your beretta 9mm sure as hell ain't gonna protect you from a totalitarian army!

Originally Posted by Wolffe

Yeah exactly what I was trying to say earlier; they create a false sense of security, because, lets face it, all criminals are going to be way better than you at shooting, with bigger guns; it's just how crime/war works. Having a gun for self-defence just gives them a bigger reason to shoot you, and your beretta 9mm sure as hell ain't gonna protect you from a totalitarian army![/b]

Perhaps better at shooting than you. I wouldn't be so quick to accept any odds against me.

The criminals I've known - and yes, sadly, I've known some - aren't out looking to die. They're out looking for soft targets.

An unarmed home is a soft target. An armed home or shop is a risk very few want to take.

And if my having a gun (or guns) make my government uncomfortable...

well... good.

Originally Posted by pj

Both curious things to hear from a man who leans in the directions you sometimes seem to.[/b]

I understand how it can seem that way... but, I think you have to realise, that different countries have different political issues. In new zealand, gun control just isn't one. It's hard to explain, I guess.

Originally Posted by pj

NZ sounds pretty cool, except for the gun control thing. What's the foreign policy like?[/b]

Passive and neutral. Though we get involved in free trade and environmental issues, other than that, we don't get involved in any wars, really. We have a small army - no tanks or fighter jets or missiles or anything, just a small peacekeeping force. A few frigates, transport aircraft, and land forces. The only real sphere of involvement we have, is participating in peacekeeping operations in small pacific island countries in times of political turmoil - we do this on an "on-demand" basis, meaning that if a country appeals to NZ for some sort of peacekeeping presence, we'll intervene. Our army has a track record of being quite easygoing towards pacific island countries and the people in those countries, as many of the soldiers themselves are pacific islanders.

Wake up, people. Guns aren't a check on government power. They NEVER are. All this talk of how the people can "rise up" - it's just insane. The pen is mightier than the sword. Tools of media brainwashing and the deliberate warping of culture and politics that some larger governments have at their hands are much mightier weapons than a few halfassed amendment-waving idiots, even if they ARE armed with automatic rifles, could EVER be.

Originally Posted by pj

Perhaps better at shooting than you. I wouldn't be so quick to accept any odds against me.

The criminals I've known - and yes, sadly, I've known some - aren't out looking to die. They're out looking for soft targets.

An unarmed home is a soft target. An armed home or shop is a risk very few want to take.

And if my having a gun (or guns) make my government uncomfortable...

well... good.[/b]

Obviously better at shooting than me, since I live in a gun-free area where I never have to fear for my life or my property!

your guns definately DON'T make the government uncomfortable, else they wouldn't let you own one would they??

*moved to Extended Discussion*

Originally Posted by Burns

*moved to Extended Discussion*[/b]

Hehe What was it in before? I can't remember o.O

Guns don't kill people, they only help people kill other people. Who cares if people die? They would still die even if we didn't have guns and seriously if a bear breaks into your house and you don't have a gun, how are you going to kill it? And what about when the zombies attack? How are we going to kill them without guns?

Originally Posted by Pyrofan1

And what about when the zombies attack?[/b]

Hmm, good point I didn't consider that


And guns don't kill people... bullets do.

And guns don't kill people... bullets do.[/b]

Unless you hit somebody really hard in the head with the gun

Originally Posted by Pyrofan1

Unless you hit somebody really hard in the head with the gun[/b]

You get a golden star

Originally Posted by Pyrofan1

Unless you hit somebody really hard in the head with the gun[/b]

aint nuttin like a good pistol wippin!

aint nuttin like a good pistol wippin![/b]

I think a shotgun blast to the chest is better. I am being serious in my posts.

Originally Posted by Pyrofan1

I think a shotgun blast to the chest is better. I am being serious in my posts.[/b]

Actually I did not mean to make light of what you said. I did put it in a joking manner. Sorry.
But yaaa, a blunt end of a gun is a hell of a weapon.

They have now these shotgun barrels that have a very wide end at the muzzle. It has very large vents to prevent the gun from blowing up the barrel if you put the end of the shotgun directly to an object. Like a chest.