Thread: Americans, Write Your Congressman

Originally Posted by ninja9578

I already did, ask them to reinstitute the ban on assault weapons. This is not a politican issue, 33 people are dead.[/b]

Way to try and capitalize on this tragedy to try and push your own, unrelated agenda. You should work for CNN.

I like how people are using this as an excuse to blame everything from videogames to muslims...to assault weapons....to immigration... to (insert anything).

Originally Posted by carlhungis

Way to try and capitalize on this tragedy to try and push your own, unrelated agenda. You should work for CNN.

I like how people are using this as an excuse to blame everything from videogames to muslims...to assault weapons....to immigration... to (insert anything).[/b]

Good point : See this - http://www.break.com/index/bill_oreilly_vs_geraldo.html

A drunk driver ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT kills two girls. One person turns this into an immigrant issue, the other reveals the others agenda and says "WAYYY more people, legal citizens, kill people intoxicated. This is the first news story about a drunk driving incident." Etc. Check it out.

Anyways, GOOD LUCK trying to make any guns illegal. Where I live, Vermont, (the hick state), kids are pretty much handed guns when they come out of the womb. They won't be likely to just hand em in. Two things needed to be done, which might contradict eachother. One is guard areas like this, as PJ said. Another is restrict SUCH easy access for guns. I mean, at least some sort of formal background check. Obviously you can't test everyone's mental health, but they should think up something to be done.

Originally Posted by ataraxis

Good point : See this - http://www.break.com/index/bill_oreilly_vs_geraldo.html

A drunk driver ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT kills two girls. One person turns this into an immigrant issue, the other reveals the others agenda and says "WAYYY more people, legal citizens, kill people intoxicated. This is the first news story about a drunk driving incident." Etc. Check it out.[/b]

Bill O Reily and Fox News are a joke... it really pisses me off.

Anyway, the guns aren't the problem... the problem is psychologically unbalanced people using them, but there's really nothing you can do about it. And banning guns certainly isn't going to do anything.

^Agreed. If guns were banned, then the people who needed them would be defenseless. The people we really have to worry about would never forfeit their guns, but hide them in a safe place so that the gov't could not find them. They would then be able to terrorize everyone w/o running the risk of running into someone who actually owned a gun. Basically, at this point I think I'd be moving to Canada.

Fuckin' Americans and their guns.

Canada gets by just fine w/o having to include some crazy statement in its constitution about having a right to bear arms. What are the stats again? You guys have 10 times the population of us, but somewhere between 100 and 1000 times the gun violence? I don't recall exactly...I just remember reading it in my social psychology textbook.

Fuckin' Americans and their guns. No thanks.

Originally Posted by icedawg

Fuckin' Americans and their guns.

Canada gets by just fine w/o having to include some crazy statement in its constitution about having a right to bear arms. What are the stats again? You guys have 10 times the population of us, but somewhere between 100 and 1000 times the gun violence? I don't recall exactly...I just remember reading it in my social psychology textbook.

Fuckin' Americans and their guns. No thanks.[/b]

Only a fool fails to associate proportions with human psychology and what certain things like population density could have on it.

Maybe when one of your citizens is getting mugged at gunpoint they obey the criminal and don't get shot while an American citizen would pull out his own weapon and cap that lowlife.

Originally Posted by icedawg

Fuckin' Americans and their guns.

Canada gets by just fine w/o having to include some crazy statement in its constitution about having a right to bear arms. What are the stats again? You guys have 10 times the population of us, but somewhere between 100 and 1000 times the gun violence? I don't recall exactly...I just remember reading it in my social psychology textbook.

Fuckin' Americans and their guns. No thanks.[/b]

You don't have to act like a bigot. I don't own a gun any way. There are tons of social factors involved in our violence problem. A war on guns would only make things worse. You don't need the right to bear arms in your constitution because your situation is different. Our 2nd Amendment was written partly to give us safety against our own government. If Canadians ever had the problem of having to take on their government, you know we would do it for you.

Our violence problem is not a result of a lack of a war on guns. We have a ridiculously high violence rate compared to Canada and Europe in terms of rape, stranglings, spousal beatings, stabbings, and all kinds of other things. We have a violence problem, not a gun problem. Guns are just one way of hurting and killing people, and an all out ban on them would be a disaster.

One of our problems is our diversity. We are the most diverse nation on the planet, and with diversity comes cultural conflict. We also have a dumbass war on drugs that has turned the country into Al Capone land 1000 fold. The 1920's were Disney Land here compared to the gangland disaster we are now dealing with. You are all seeing the residue of it when you see our disgusting as Hell gangster rap fest that has been going on for twenty years. Our public school system is a joke, families are rewarded with money for having disfunctional children at a fruit fly rate, and the pop culture media (thanks to the War on Drugs) makes it look cool and even socially required for young people to be obsessed with acting like badasses at all costs. We have a great deal of social trouble resulting from too much government in terms of both radical liberal policy and fanatical conservative policy. We have serious problems with our society. But don't blame that on the guns. Our problem is the scum that wants to kill people with guns, and ropes, and daggers, and clubs, and hands, and swimming pools. Do you think we should ban all of those weapons too?

Originally Posted by Universal

You don't have to act like a bigot. I don't own a gun any way. There are tons of social factors involved in our violence problem. A war on guns would only make things worse. You don't need the right to bear arms in your constitution because your situation is different. Our 2nd Amendment was written partly to give us safety against our own government. If Canadians ever had the problem of having to take on their government, you know we would do it for you.

Our violence problem is not a result of a lack of a war on guns. We have a ridiculously high violence rate compared to Canada and Europe in terms of rape, stranglings, spousal beatings, stabbings, and all kinds of other things. We have a violence problem, not a gun problem. Guns are just one way of hurting and killing people, and an all out ban on them would be a disaster.

One of our problems is our diversity. We are the most diverse nation on the planet, and with diversity comes cultural conflict. We also have a dumbass war on drugs that has turned the country into Al Capone land 1000 fold. The 1920's were Disney Land here compared to the gangland disaster we are now dealing with. You are all seeing the residue of it when you see our disgusting as Hell gangster rap fest that has been going on for twenty years. Our public school system is a joke, families are rewarded with money for having disfunctional children at a fruit fly rate, and the pop culture media (thanks to the War on Drugs) makes it look cool and even socially required for young people to be obsessed with acting like badasses at all costs. We have a great deal of social trouble resulting from too much government in terms of both radical liberal policy and fanatical conservative policy. We have serious problems with our society. But don't blame that on the guns. Our problem is the scum that wants to kill people with guns, and ropes, and daggers, and clubs, and hands, and swimming pools. Do you think we should ban all of those weapons too?[/b]

For the most part, I agree. This is pretty much what I meant by my post on the second page. This is still a great country with the majority being good citizens who abide by the law even if they were idiots as teenagers. I believe our greatness outweighs our problems but we cannot let them thrive any longer.

Fuckin' Americans and their guns.[/b]

Fuckin' Americans and their guns. No thanks.[/b]

Please refrain from using harsh and insulting statements to any single our group of members on our forum. You of all people should know that this community is made up of members from nations around the world, a good chunk of which are Americans. While I can appreciate the stats from your phsychology textbook, the quoted statements are essentially an insult to Americans as a whole, which by the way, all don't agree with the gun laws.

Thank you, play on

Originally Posted by Tornado

Please refrain from using harsh and insulting statements to any single our group of members on our forum. You of all people should know that this community is made up of members from nations around the world, a good chunk of which are Americans. While I can appreciate the stats from your phsychology textbook, the quoted statements are essentially an insult to Americans as a whole, which by the way, all don't agree with the gun laws.

Thank you, play on [/b]

he was swearing about americans _with_ guns, see.

Originally Posted by Techboy

he was swearing about americans _with_ guns, see.[/b]

If you search his post, you will find he did not use the word "with" once. He said fucking americans AND their guns. That is saying all americans and their guns. Not only the americans with guns, see

Under what circumstances can you shoot someone in the US?

I'm in charge of employee moral and team building at my workplace
and, of late, paintball just ain't cutting it

also,
what's the airline food like?

Originally Posted by Ynot

Under what circumstances can you shoot someone in the US?[/b]

I think if they trespass your property you have the right to. So if you really want to shoot someone I guess you could drag them in your house and then shoot them... or shoot them and then drag hem into your house... hehe.

Originally Posted by Ynot

what's the airline food like?[/b]

I used to love the airline food... but its been getting to be less and worse food for the past few years. There's no more breakfast... just a small pack of crappy snacks and maybe a bottled water. Also, you have to pay for the freaking food sometimes... what a shame.

Originally Posted by Ynot

Under what circumstances can you shoot someone in the US?

I'm in charge of employee moral and team building at my workplace
and, of late, paintball just ain't cutting it

also,
what's the airline food like?[/b]

You can shoot somebody if they threaten your life or trespass into your house.

Yeah, I pay 1000 dollars for an airline ticket I don't want to have to pay for a damn cookie.

If only someone had had a concealed weapon in one of those classrooms, it could have been so much less horrible.

I don't know if this is Alabama state law or federal law, but you can't shoot someone in the back, even if they are on your property.

So if I ever attempt to break into your house, I'll do it backwards, alright?

A gun's a gun, whether it's auto or not. I don't want to see them get banned, I wouldn't feel as safe in my home if I didn't have a gun hidden in our basement.

I don't know how good it would be to have armed guards at schools though. I wouldn't put it past the kids to steal one and start shooting people like a maniac.

I'd like to add my own two cents.

I understand the American mentality of lax gun control and the public right to own firearms, etc. Also, I'm fairly libertarian in my political beliefs for the most part. Very against big government restricting what people can do.

But, it may come as a bit of a suprise to those on these boards who know me much, that I'm very against the right to bear arms, and a strong supporter of extremely strict gun control.

Part of this comes from the perspective of living in New Zealand. As an island nation, relatively small and reliant on trade, we are able to put in place extremely effective gun laws. Due to a number of factors, including (sometimes overly) strict customs, and the fact that any guns in new zealand are likely not made here but overseas, it's MUCH easier for us, than other countries, to limit access to guns effectively.

Here, you cannot buy automatic weapons. I'd even venture to say that it would be nigh-on-impossible for even those in CRIMINAL circles and gangs to get their hands on them. Non-automatic firearms aren't exactly easily accessible either. There's not a big gun culture here, and the desire isn't really that big.

I understand that in larger countries it;'s harder to implement such strict gun laws, and for that I suppose I am appreciative of living where I do... but, automatic weapons, a big nono. Even though the recent massacre WASN'T carried out by an automatic weapon.

Originally Posted by ninja9578

I already did, ask them to reinstitute the ban on assault weapons. This is not a politican issue, 33 people are dead.[/b]

NO

I have to agree that automatic weapons shouldn't be allowed. Whats a normal citizen going to do with one anyway?

Well the OP was obviously jumping to conclusions, seeing as the gunman didn't even use assualt weapons of any kind. He used 2 pistols.

But if the cops have them, I want them too. I've already exhausted myself from the jillions of other simular topics around the web, so.... San Demis Highschool Football rules!

Propaganda only affects the weak minded.

you buy a gun, you use a gun. but guns should never have to be used, so they should never have to be bought.

the right to bear arms was to protect us from government, not eachother. but these days gun owning americans can do nothing to protect themselves from the power of the government - even if a civil war were to break out - the power of the military would just blow us up :yumdumdoodledum:

times have changed. no offense to gun owners - but there would be a LOT LESS deaths if idiots couldnt have guns (and since it seems just about anyone could have a gun, that means a lot of them).

This guy was a fucking psychopath with a mission. He didn't just snap all of a sudden and start shooting people. He was documented as a threat to himself by psychologist which by the way said that if he didnt kill any body he was safe in public. This guy should have been put away long before this.. have you seen the paper he wrote...the crazy one. Nuf said. lots of people at his school thought he was messed. Including his room mate. Banning guns would be extremely ignorant. Knee jerk retards do things like even mention this. Icedawg sorry but its not even an American who did this! D! D! D!HE WAS A IMMIGRANT!! CRIMINALS=GUNS=VIOLENCE. How stupid can you be not to know this!?


Read this bitches

http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55288

Have a nice day

Originally Posted by Elwood

This guy was a fucking psychopath with a mission. He didn't just snap all of a sudden and start shooting people. He was documented as a threat to himself by psychologist which by the way said that if he didnt kill any body he was safe in public. This guy should have been put away long before this.. have you seen the paper he wrote...the crazy one. Nuf said. lots of people at his school thought he was messed. Including his room mate. Banning guns would be extremely ignorant. Knee jerk retards do things like even mention this. Icedawg sorry but its not even an American who did this! D! D! D!HE WAS A IMMIGRANT!! CRIMINALS=GUNS=VIOLENCE. How stupid can you be not to know this!?
Read this bitches

http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55288

Have a nice day [/b]

Good point about how he was an immigrant. Was he legal? That reminds me... Illegal immigrants need to get the fuck out. They are not legally allowed here, so they've got to go. Every time an illegal immigrant kills somebody, that is one death that would have been prevented if the law had been enforced.

The article talks about one example of where forcing people to own guns reduced the crime rate. I don't think people should ever be forced to own guns. I don't agree with the ethics of the measure. However, it has happened, and that instance shows that guns in the possessions of the good guys deter the bad guys. It works. Can anybody post an article about how such a measure increased the death rate?

The problem is not guns. The problem is the trash that uses them for the wrong reasons. Because that does happen, the non-trash deserves the right to have guns. And one more thing just crossed my mind. We need to abolish parole and probation for violent criminals. They belong in prison. The good people are safer when the trash is locked up.