Thread: 9/11 Conspiracy

Since Mystic is stumped and the conversation is back on this level again...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=NzlG28B-R8Y

http://youtube.com/watch?v=V5pe8EQ8fzk

Originally Posted by Mystic7

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPhAiEkO7NE



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPhAiEkO7NE

Great, Mystic: Deleting your post to make it look like I double posted.

You will get nowhere if you just keep posting links without explination.

Give data, then post links

Originally Posted by Keeper

Great, Mystic: Deleting your post to make it look like I double posted.

You will get nowhere if you just keep posting links without explination.

Give data, then post links

Gosh, what are you talking about? Posting links to Geico cave man spoofs wins intellectual debates every time.

Sarcasm aside, do you actually want an intellectual debate?

Originally Posted by Keeper

Sarcasm aside, do you actually want an intellectual debate?

Are you asking me? Yes. Why would you feel the need to even ask that? If you have read this thread, you have seen how persistently I have tried to get logical answers to my biggest questions and how I follow up on the responses with my actual reasoning on the issues. I challenge you to find a single instance of where I initiated the kindergartenization of a string of debate dialogue. I will play kindergarten games with those who initiate it after they turn over their kings, but I am obviously game for whoever actually wants to debate.

lol. We have provided data. Read the posts. Memeticverb has being extremely patient and civil with you and is a way better example than me on how to relate to you skeptical lemmings. But you ignore his points constantly. And you ignore mine. Just ignoring facts and then winging. Pictures are just a bit of humor sometimes to break the ice, since you are so serious all the time.
I'm not making summaries of every video, Your being lazy.

If you want intelligent pleasant discussion. Learn how to recognize it when it's present and respond and contribute to what has being provided.

Originally Posted by Mystic7

lol. We have provided data. Read the posts. Memeticverb has being extremely patient and civil with you and is a way better example than me on how to relate to you skeptical lemmings. But you ignore his points constantly. And you ignore mine. Just ignoring facts and then winging. Pictures are just a bit of humor sometimes to break the ice, since you are so serious all the time.
I'm not making summaries of every video, Your being lazy.

If you want intelligent pleasant discussion. Learn how to recognize it when it's present and respond and contribute to what has being provided.

No, you ignore my repeated point that I am not going to pretend to be a demolition expert who can argue all sides, angles, potential confoundings, and loopholes regarding a government report that you, a few actual experts, and a large nest of Bush hate cult members claim is bogus while the masses of experts think what you are saying is a joke. You two are narcissistic out of your minds for thinking you can. You are the people who claim this Bigfoot UFO type stuff happened, and I can't even get you to explain key parts of the supposed story. That is exactly what I run into in the religion forum on a regular basis. You posted answers to my questions once, after so many of your posts that dodged the Hell out of my questions, and then I couldn't get you to go back to my responses. I have pointed out Texas size holes in your conspiracy hypothesis, and you won't explain them away. You are a religious zealot who has nothing left to do but post Geico spoofs, so I hope you enjoyed my Twilight Zone and Yoga checkmate videos, since you are in checkmate.

You apparently haven't read Memeticverb's personal insults against me. Look just a few posts back for a good example. I am civil toward people who are civil to me, and you and Memeticverb do not fit that description. If you truly believe the conspiracy stuff you are preaching, make a solid effort to really understand why I am not so quick to buy into it. Look at the issues I have with it and do your best to clear up where I am supposedly wrong. That has not been your style. Understand what my specifically stated disagreements are, and show an open mind to the fact that people are not going to just drop everything and follow you like sheep because you think you thoroughly understand demolition backwards and forwards. Look at my specifically stated disagreements, and make a commitment to clearing them up ALL the way, if you are actually serious about this.

And keeper. If you don't like me posting pictures. Why would you quote the picture and essentially post it again by your reply making it come up twice.

Ok back to 911

I would suggest ignoring Universal Mind. His goal, like all spammers of ignorance, is to distract and deceive. He has committed more errors of reasoning in this thread than all of the other threads on this site combined (well maybe not, but its close). However, since he insists on using fallacies to promote his view, he is actually doing a trememndous disservice to it! Keep it going genius!

We have the same kind of thing happening to the 911 Truth movement, where people infiltrate posing as honest researchers or activists and then spread disnfo or use fallacies to discredit the movement as a whole. They have failed; mostly because the majority of evidence for 911 Truth is empirically verifiable and has been tested to a high degree of certainty by experts who havnt been refuted publicly.

Such evidence consists partly of:

1: Actual remnants of molten iron which have been proven to be the result of demolition incendiary devices. This has been triple confirmed through three categories of sources, all requiring temps much hotter than jet fuel can produce:

A. Videos of a thermate reaction.

B. Pieces of previously molten iron in the exact form of a thermate reaction

C. And micro-sized, previously molten particles found extensively in the WTC dust.

2: High Velocity streams of debris exactly resembling those of controlled demolition, again confirmed through many sources, including analysis by relevant PhD educated experts like Dr Grabbe, who also points to the evidence of destroyed cars that show signs of high temperature, but not smoke of fire damage, interestingly.

3. The speed and symmetry of the collapses, especially WTC7, exactly resembled a controlled demolition. The intense grid of steel beams and columns was cut from underneath and the collapse ensued at an accelerated pace.

Read the top part of that quote. What was it you were saying about Memeticverb's civility?

You are harping nothing but demolition specifics, and ONCE AGAIN, I don't know enough about that stuff to think I can argue it (And I don't think you do either.), so I see the probability as lying with the MASSES of experts and not your microscopic minority. Get it? Now clear up my supposed misunderstandings. You know what they are by now. And give a committed effort this time.

Universal mind.

I'll make it very simple for you this time ok. Little bits at a time.

1) The buildings are known to have fallen at free fall speed. This cannot be ignored that such a thing cannot happen in an accidental collapse.

2) Cannot get around the fact there is no evidence of the pentagon plane. There is evidence different bits of small pieces of wreckage was planted on the site from a different aircraft! Which is even more cause for concern. But no markings on the ground from a plane crash. You must explain how it's possible. It's highly suspicious and reasonably impossible. When security would provide not only the evidence easily but should have easily shot down the so called plane. Security must be disabled before a plane is allowed to hit the pentagon. You foolish man. The security of the pentagon cannot be breached and defeated by an aircraft without notice. Even from miles away aircraft are easily kept track of.

3) Please get it through your skull that you must prove your nutcase theory which is the ONLY theorist speculation here with no evidence. Not the other way around. I am not a theorist just stating what are facts. And demanding proof of your insane speculations that override common sense.

Memeticverb was perfectly justified in what he said to you.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

Are you asking me? Yes. Why would you feel the need to even ask that? If you have read this thread, you have seen how persistently I have tried to get logical answers to my biggest questions and how I follow up on the responses with my actual reasoning on the issues. I challenge you to find a single instance of where I initiated the kindergartenization of a string of debate dialogue. I will play kindergarten games with those who initiate it after they turn over their kings, but I am obviously game for whoever actually wants to debate.

I did not mean to imply that you are not debating logically. It is just that I feel that acting like Mystic with regard to posting data (as well as the sometimes pointed "childish-acting" you do when provoked) doesn't exactly help.

Btw. Maybe some who read this thread would like to hear some of the discussion about the protest on this september can be found Here.

Mystic, you didn't address my areas of disagreement. That is because you are stumped and don't even really believe what you are saying yourself. You don't win over converts by ignoring the issues people bring up. You are barking up trees that do not fix my skepticism. That makes me question what your goal in this really is. You are stuck on demolition specifics, despite what I keep saying about your fixation. True experts, which is a category that does not include you, do address your amateur perspective and can actually have an exchange with you on all possible confoundings, flaws, exceptions, other possible explanations, loopholes, and so forth. You have seen them do it. I am NOT one of those people, and I am not going to pretend to be. You are barking up the wrong tree.

I explained the Pentagon airplane sitution, and your last post did not address what I said. You just started right back at the beginning. Are you even reading my responses? Pick the conversation up where I left it, not back at the beginning.

My theory on this conversation is that you are not being honest about what you believe and report. I have caught you misconstruing my words many times in this conversation. That shows your lack of commitment to truth. I will show you a very solid recent example of your intellectual dishonesty. Memeticverb said this to me yesterday...

Originally Posted by memeticverb

I would suggest ignoring Universal Mind. His goal, like all spammers of ignorance, is to distract and deceive. He has committed more errors of reasoning in this thread than all of the other threads on this site combined (well maybe not, but its close). However, since he insists on using fallacies to promote his view, he is actually doing a trememndous disservice to it! Keep it going genius!

And you said this to me today, the same day you quoted the above post...

Originally Posted by Mystic7

Memeticverb has being extremely patient and civil with you

That is just a flat out lie. Why do you do that? I have noticed that that is a trend among members of your cult. Then you made the point that he should have said it, which compeltely dodges the point and is a dishonest response. Be committed to the truth, and be committed to understanding why I and the rest of the vast majority of skeptics are not buying your claims. If you are not even going to attempt to understand the specific areas of skepticism and clear them up, then you are just spewing hot air pointlessly and are not committed to understanding and communicating truth.

Universal you are defeated big time. You sound really silly accusing me of being in a cult and your credibility is just about shot to pieces from what you have said. The majority of experts do not back you. That is your illusion. I would accept when you are mistaken and move on.

Smoking gun WTC7 was a controlled demolition

Air force reserve medic and 911 first responder Kevin Mcpadden discussing the countdown to demolish WTC7

Alex intro: "Did you just hear what this first responder was saying and we've talked to dozens that have said the same thing. it's on the record the local radio has announced it. The countdown to blow building 7. Smoking gun proof.But CNN wants me on television tomorrow in a taped interview and only want to talk about the pentagon, the pentagon, the pentagon. So they want to only stay on that subject. Not the 100's and 100's of witnesses of bombs and countdowns." [to the responder] Please take a few of my minutes and detail what you were just talking about with the controlled demolition.

In the video the responder goes on to explain his experience with the countdown to the demolition.

Clip of this can be found Here

That is just one witness.

And one of many documentary's detailing evidence of controlled demolition can be found Here

WTC Demolition Evidence

Fire Fighters controlled demolition testimony

911 revisited

Oh, don't respond to what I keep saying. Just keep repeating the same tactic I have explained 30 times doesn't clear up my skepticism. That's so effective.

I'll tell you what, since you are stuck in your checkmate rut and cannot get out to try a different approach, I am going to try a different approach with you. I am going to give a summary of how the 9/11 story happened, according to what would apparently be the case if your la la land claims are correct. You tell me where the story is wrong and substitute in what YOU think happened. If you ignore this and post obscure demolition claims, you will have officially admitted defeat. Actually, you did that a long time ago, but I am interested in this stuff.

Here is the story...

The United States government wanted to take a very extreme risk and pull a Pearl Harbor type stunt so there would be an excuse to go to war in Iraq and Afghanistan and get good oil money even though the oil would still belong to the people of those countries. So lots and lots of members of the White House staff, the FBI, the FAA, the CIA, Norad, the military, the news media, demolition crews, the Washington police, and other bodies all got together and took a big risk by talking about doing this, and everybody happened to agree to it, except maybe a few people who opted out yet decided not to talk about something so humongous and despiccably evil and devastating to their own country and economy. This enormous group of people who all turned out to happen to be far more evil than the worst of serial killers decided to make military airplanes to crash into the World Trade Center, the Pentagon, and a field in the middle of nowhere. This would make it easy to blame everything on the terrorist group Al Qaeda, who just so happens to exist for the purpose of engaging in such attacks and had even done so in the past. Little did Al Qaeda know that they would soon finally get their big breaks as actors working for the very government they organized for the purpose of destroying.

All of the necessary bodies worked with the military to take military passenger airplanes that look just like commercial passenger airplanes, unknown military airplanes that were the only three in the world that fit that description, and painted the necessary colors and commercial labels on them since military green makes it look like the airplanes are not the airline company jets the passengers had tickets to board. Since nobody in the military was willing to die for somebody ele's outrageously large scale oil scheme, remote control devices were put in the airplanes. Passengers got onto the airplanes and were greeted by robotic stewardesses. Then the planes headed down the runways as the remote control devices smiled for the flag men on the runways, who reported nothing unusual. There was a problem with the fact that the actual airline companies sent the real airplanes to the airports with real airplane staff and passengers and communicated with airport staff about the arrangements, so the enormous oil conspiracy legion of people who just happened to all be more evil than serial killers decided to hide the real airplanes and staff under the airports when nobody was looking and replace the staff with robots who have all of the same memories and behavior patterns as the real staff. Much to the good fortune of the psychopath network of oil conspirators, nobody noticed when one of the airplanes passengers got on was actually a missile. Or maybe those people are buried under the airport too.

While in the air, the government turned on their background hijack noises and swung metal balls from the ceiling with remote control devices so the passengers would be hypnotized into thinking they were being hijacked and call their friends and relatives to cry while saying goodbye. Then all of the crashes happened. One of the crashes, the one that involved a horrendously loud blow into the U.S. governments' Department of Defense building, involved a missile hit during work hours. Thousands of people were working in that building, but none of them reported that it was a missile that hit the building, even after they soon realized that the biggest news story in the history of the world, one that concerned a missile attack on their work building while they were at work, was false. That is because they all wanted to keep working at the building that was hit by a missile that was deliberately fired by their bosses while those workers were in the building.

The World Trade Center was hit by the government's remote control passenger airplanes instead of missiles just for the sake of randomness, but it was strategically placed bombs that made the buildings fall. The claims of the government and many experts about how the buildings fell was wrong, and the incorrectness of those reports was so obvious and undisputable that even amateur punks on the internet go off about it with complete certainty and are totally correct even though the vast, vast majority of engineers, construction supervisors, architects, and demolition supervisors don't agree with the claim and have the insanely bizarre idea that those people are just punks on the internet, or else just don't really care, even though the United States and its coalition are fighting two wars right now because of the illusory terrorism threat and the major influence of what so many people are crazy enough to believe were terrorist attacks of all things.

The government now has many actors who got fired from Days of Our Lives and after school specials playing members of Al Qaeda along with actual Al Qaeda members and taking credit for the attacks on video as well as threatening to pull more attacks, which they have done in many places in the Middle East and Europe, because they are trying to get roles on sitcoms and jobs hosting reality shows. The mass network of conspirators has kept a very tight lid on what they all know really happened in the horrific tragedy that was the subject of the biggest news story in the history of the world and the major influence of two WARS that are going on right now.

THE END

Can you SORT OF see why I don't just baaaah and accept your claims, especially since you have yet to even tell me what the story is supposed to be? Talk to me. This is interesting stuff. Tell your version of that particular story.

Mystic and freinds,

I want you to watch this video, its from, Penn and Teller's: Bullshit

Hopefully it will convince you to top arguing over something as silly as conspircys.

Penn and Teller's: Bullshit.

Soul sleeper.

Here can be found one of many Co-operative Agent's they discredit themself on purpose.

Let me repeat as it's very important. They discredit themself on purpose.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqNRiY040do

They constantly plug by resisting credible sources in a dumb way. To the point where it helps concentrate on truth while acting intellectually challenged. Or in penn and tellers case. They target skeptics who are intellectually challenged and create a bias report to mock them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8r8osSqiB4

penn and teller are in exactly the same category. They are just backstabbing and making fun of your skepticism behind your back. Note the word bullshit in their title. It has a double meaning. In other words what they are reporting with foul language and unbalanced reports. Is bullshit.

Originally Posted by Mystic7

Soul sleeper.

Here can be found one of many Co-operative Agent's they discredit themself on purpose.

Let me repeat as it's very important. They discredit themself on purpose.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqNRiY040do

They constantly plug by resisting credible sources in a dumb way. To the point where it helps concentrate on truth while acting intellectually challenged. Or in penn and tellers case. They target skeptics who are intellectually challenged and create a bias report to mock them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8r8osSqiB4

penn and teller are in exactly the same category. They are just backstabbing and making fun of your skepticism behind your back. Note the word bullshit in their title. It has a double meaning. In other words what they are reporting with foul language and unbalanced reports. Is bullshit.

lol. im glad im not the only who thought they should be taken as being sarcastic.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=7eSzE3QJR...related&search=

911 Truth Continues

continues.

Universal I'm not finished with you. You will become a believer. In everything. Lucky for you I ran out of time for the moment.

Originally Posted by Mystic7

Universal I'm not finished with you. You will become a believer. In everything. Lucky for you I ran out of time for the moment.

Well you just go ahead and tell me the real version or even just a possibly real version of the 9/11 story whenever you think you are ready.

Mystic your an idiot,

Penn and Teller are two if the most famous skeptics and atheists out there. they dont hate skeptisism, they hate retards who belive stupid things like god, and "9/11 conspiricys"