Thread: 9/11 Conspiracy

Originally Posted by Harrycombs

Hyphothisis is an educated guess, theory is what is accepted as fact, although might not be true. So, conspiracy theories are really conspiracy hyphothises.

The definition of "theory" is very broad. A "theory," the way you used it (or meant to use it), is accepted, not necessarily as fact, but as the most likely truth. The level of research and confirmation that separates a hypothesis from a theory (if there truly is any difference) is subjective, and you can't just impose the idea that all conspiracy theories are unfounded.

Think about the words "Conspiracy Theory." (so many people that spit those words out, denouncing them all as if they are bunk, or unfounded, don't even seem to understand them.)

All that label is implying is that there is subjective reasoning to believe that a group is operating in a secretive, deceptive manner. This happens all the time.

The charge that a congressman held thousands of dollars of bribe money in his freezer? That is a conspiracy theory..and he's being held accountable for it, because it is being vigorously investigated into, and quite probably true. The problem with conspiracy theories such as 9/11 and whatnot is that they are so personal - so closed to home, so heinous, that it is usually a stark minority that will actually take any investigation into them seriously.

It's no different from anyone outside your family telling you that your parents are the biggest child-porn ring operators in the US. Assuming you love your parents and have seen them do no wrong: until you see 100%, irrefutable, undeniable proof...would you believe it? Even if you feared it might be true, would that be something you would easily, willingly, admit?

A "conspiracy theory" (in general) is nothing more, or less, than any other theory, and they differ in credibility with just as much range.

Originally Posted by Alric

No, thats an opinion.

That's your opinion.

One thing that really puzzles me is all you people jumping up to defend the legitimacy of 9/11 attacks...when the very government your defending won't even defend itself. It's like all the people outraged at voter fraud when Kerry had already resigned. They have not answered any questions, they simply ignore the questions and pretend they don't exist. They ignored the evidence that they were censoring things instead of simply stating the facts so the people can be put at ease.

Oh you convinced me, everything you say must be a fact because you say so. No, I don't think so. Your free to have a opinion but don't call it a fact unless you have something to atleast try and back it up. "It just is." Isn't a real arguement.

Originally Posted by Alric

Oh you convinced me, everything you say must be a fact because you say so. No, I don't think so. Your free to have a opinion but don't call it a fact unless you have something to atleast try and back it up. "It just is." Isn't a real arguement.

That's your opinion.

Saying the United States isnt under threat of another terrorist attack isn't an opinion, its a fallacy.

Originally Posted by Half/Dreaming

Saying the United States isnt under threat of another terrorist attack isn't an opinion, its a fallacy.

The thing is, while I'm sure the "threat level" has increased a little bit, the REAL difference that people are feeling is not so much that, as it is the fact that this asshat of an administration has broken every rule in the book, as it were, on handling terrorist situations. In particular, they publicize everything. It scares the public (and fills them with fake-ass patriotism), while they announce loudly and proudly, "We're coming for you!" If they would have followed in Clinton's footsteps in dealing with Osama, he would be in custody today.

Originally Posted by Half/Dreaming

Saying the United States isnt under threat of another terrorist attack isn't an opinion, its a fallacy.

I never said there wasn't "a threat" I said there wasn't a major threat. Like I said you can say we are in a huge amount of danger but thats just a opinion and theres nothing to really back that up.

Thought I would post this 1min clip I uploaded to Youtube, since its pretty hard to find unless you watch the entire documentary "911 Mysteries". Its one of the few that actually shows pictures and video of what the basements looked like before the WTC towers "collpased."

http://youtube.com/watch?v=zuq0ANHxvlM

In controlled demolitions they blow out the foundational columns in the basement. How do people who support the official conspiracy theory explain this stuff away?

Originally Posted by Replicon

The thing is, while I'm sure the "threat level" has increased a little bit, the REAL difference that people are feeling is not so much that, as it is the fact that this asshat of an administration has broken every rule in the book, as it were, on handling terrorist situations. In particular, they publicize everything. It scares the public (and fills them with fake-ass patriotism), while they announce loudly and proudly, "We're coming for you!" If they would have followed in Clinton's footsteps in dealing with Osama, he would be in custody today.

All i need to know is that these fucking freaks hate me, you, and everything we stand for. I have no hang-ups about turning their world upside-down or overthrowing the governments that they control. I guess you can call that patriotism.

Btw, it was Clinton's half ass stance on dangerous countries that allowed Osama bin Laden to organize the attacks. Do you remember what happened in Somalia in '93? I am hard pressed to agree with anything Clinton did, and i definately wouldnt follow in his footsteps. I wouldnt have even screwed Monica Lewinsky. She's not that hot.

Memeticverb, the towers did not collapse from the basements. If explosives had been put there, the videos would not have shown the towers giving way where the planes hit. Watch the videos again. The top 40 (or so) floors fall first.

Alric, the Al Quaeda videos that warn of an attack is all the back-up you should need.

Let them attack us. Maybe then the world could grow some balls and rally up to finish the religious fanatics off.

Originally Posted by Half/Dreaming

All i need to know is that these fucking freaks hate me, you, and everything we stand for. I have no hang-ups about turning their world upside-down or overthrowing the governments that they control. I guess you can call that patriotism.

lol.

When you close your eyes and think of the middle-east, you really do see a dessert full of people in turbans and with AK47's looking all angry and yelling "DEATH TO AMERICA!", don't you?

Btw, it was Clinton's half ass stance on dangerous countries that allowed Osama bin Laden to organize the attacks. Do you remember what happened in Somalia in '93? I am hard pressed to agree with anything Clinton did, and i definately wouldnt follow in his footsteps. I wouldnt have even screwed Monica Lewinsky. She's not that hot.

Oh yeah, great augmentation. Lets hate on Clinton, because sex is immoral! (so it seems). The truth is, that clinton did a fine job. And the truth also is, that Bush cut the budget for anti-terrorism greatly shortly after he got ellected.

Also truths are, that on multiple occasions in all levels of the bush administration claims have been made publically, such as "we have bulletproof proof that Saddam is tied with with al-quadia" that are at the very least stupid lies, and at the very worst, as some ex-white house employee or something said, willing lies to deceive the American people.

Memeticverb, the towers did not collapse from the basements. If explosives had been put there, the videos would not have shown the towers giving way where the planes hit. Watch the videos again. The top 40 (or so) floors fall first.

No-one actually believe the towers were brought down. Just tower 7 conveniently fell down exactly as controlled demolition would cause it to fall down, and it just happened to be ignored a lot.

Alric, the Al Quaeda videos that warn of an attack is all the back-up you should need.

The back-up to trow an entire country into choas? For all you know, Al-Quadia didn't exist, and was a fake, un-religious, paid terrorist group funded by the Russians. Playing a trick on ye ol' America. Unlikely, but certainly some videos aren't enough reason to ass-rape an entire country, casting it into a civil war costing HUNDREDS of innocent lives a week.

Because yes, it is hard to imagen for you, but there are a few innocent farmers and such in the middle east.

Let them attack us. Maybe then the world could grow some balls and rally up to finish the religious fanatics off.

How about you start within your own religion-cancer-infested country?

Originally Posted by Neruo

lol.

When you close your eyes and think of the middle-east, you really do see a dessert full of people in turbans and with AK47's looking all angry and yelling "DEATH TO AMERICA!", don't you?



Oh yeah, great augmentation. Lets hate on Clinton, because sex is immoral! (so it seems). The truth is, that clinton did a fine job. And the truth also is, that Bush cut the budget for anti-terrorism greatly shortly after he got ellected.

Also truths are, that on multiple occasions in all levels of the bush administration claims have been made publically, such as "we have bulletproof proof that Saddam is tied with with al-quadia" that are at the very least stupid lies, and at the very worst, as some ex-white house employee or something said, willing lies to deceive the American people.



No-one actually believe the towers were brought down. Just tower 7 conveniently fell down exactly as controlled demolition would cause it to fall down, and it just happened to be ignored a lot.



The back-up to trow an entire country into choas? For all you know, Al-Quadia didn't exist, and was a fake, un-religious, paid terrorist group funded by the Russians. Playing a trick on ye ol' America. Unlikely, but certainly some videos aren't enough reason to ass-rape an entire country, casting it into a civil war costing HUNDREDS of innocent lives a week.

Because yes, it is hard to imagen for you, but there are a few innocent farmers and such in the middle east.



How about you start within your own religion-cancer-infested country?

I'll respond according to your paragraphs.

1. No. Some of them have RPGs:p

2. I never said sex was immoral. I said Monica Lewinsky isnt hot. As to the other part, the problems Clinton created havent been seen until recently. Mainly, giving Hillary Clinton popularity. I'm dead serious.

3. Saddam had ties with Al Quaeda. Loose ties, but nevertheless.

4. Does anybody have a video of tower 7 falling? I would like to see it.

5. Al Quaeda fought the Russians in the 80's (and kicked Russian ass), so their goes your theory. HUNDREDS of lives a week? Ok. We are freeing those people from opression. Women were killed everyday by the Taliban for skowing skin. Would you want to live in a country like that? You dont, because you live under the blanket of the freedom England and the United States provides. If you believe our military might is not absolutely necessary for the life you live today in your little country, then you dont understand the world.

I am also getting fed up with your rants about the innocent people. The average German citizen in 1944 was innocent. Do you imply that we shouldnt have invaded Germany, soley becasue there were innocent people? That is your logic when you say we shouldnt have invaded Afghanistan.

6. My country tolerates people of other religions. Muslim fanatics cut their heads off. I think i'll start with Iraq.

Heck the US has loose ties to Al Quaeda. 'Loose ties' don't mean a thing. You need hard solid facts and proof they are working with them. A high up al quaeda leader visiting saddam one day does not count as proof that they are working togather. Because honestly, you could probably get that on any country in the world and obviously they are not all working togather.

As for video of tower 7 falling, just google video or youtube 'tower 7' and you will get all the pictures you want. They have the video from atleast 3 different angles.

Originally Posted by Half/Dreaming

I'll respond according to your paragraphs.

1. No. Some of them have RPGs:p

Oh, great. =D

2. I never said sex was immoral.

I was joooo-kiiiii-nggggg. I was just saying that when a guy let a woman lick his nuts, that doesn't change how good or bad his decisions are.

I said Monica Lewinsky isnt hot. As to the other part, the problems Clinton created havent been seen until recently. Mainly, giving Hillary Clinton popularity. I'm dead serious.

Yeah, clinton fucked up. He like started wars, caused your economy to take a nose-dive, and score the 2nd or 3rd worst approval ratings in the like 300 year history of America. Oh wait, that was BUSH I am talking about.

You just hate Clinton because other people started saying how bad he was, so you would take your eyes of the crimes your current government is committing.

3. Saddam had ties with Al Quaeda. Loose ties, but nevertheless.

Yeah, ties of killing terrorist. Saddam was a dictator. They don't like terrorism, or anything that will disturb their power.

Don't you care that the very top of your government told lies to you?

4. Does anybody have a video of tower 7 falling? I would like to see it.

http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=antql-Nz4bY The magical powers of YouTube.

I could find you one, where some guy is saying it certainly is controlled demolition. Then he goes like: "why would they get in there and blow it up"? Reporter: "According to the government, they didn't" or something along those lines.

It wasn't wall-mart that was located in tower 7. It was like the FBI and some shit. Also, some weird transactions have been made from the twin towers almost right before the planes hit. Those transactions made someone pretty rich.

5. Al Quaeda fought the Russians in the 80's (and kicked Russian ass),

Yeah. They are using the same weapons your government to a terrorist organization to fight You now, instead of the Russians. (wouldn't be the first time the American government supports a terrorist organization or a dictator somewhere. The CIA reports are out there.)

so their goes your theory. HUNDREDS of lives a week? Ok. We are freeing those people from opression. Women were killed everyday by the Taliban for skowing skin. Would you want to live in a country like that? You dont, because you live under the blanket of the freedom England and the United States provides. If you believe our military might is not absolutely necessary for the life you live today in your little country, then you dont understand the world.

Cozy blanket you have there ^__^

I guess you also believe that terrorist attack the western world 'just' because they hate us? The west gets attacked, because he have been stirring up the middle-east for decades. Supporting one party with weapons to gain security over oil, or just actually being there and bombing the crap out of people, often innocents. There are lots and lots of dictators that do worse things, and lots and lots of sick, religious countries where they will stone you for nothing. However those countries don't just attack the west.
What the taliban did wasn't good, but bombing the shit out of it, causing tribe-wars, and more opium-money for bad-guys, really doens't help in the long term.

There is no reason why a country or area or religion would 'just attack' some other country, religion or area half-way across the world. It never has happened in history, at least. You got attacked, because the American government bitch-slapped the middle-east around for a bit too long.

I am also getting fed up with your rants about the innocent people. The average German citizen in 1944 was innocent. Do you imply that we shouldnt have invaded Germany, soley becasue there were innocent people? That is your logic when you say we shouldnt have invaded Afghanistan.

I certainly do not agree with the bombing of entire cities that the allies have done. (Our previous 'king' actually joined the bombings personally, lol. Fucking 'nobility'.) There is a difference between a tactical attack onto a continent that wants the occupant there (france, netherlands, ect), and bombing the crap out of a country, that hates you as much as the previous dictator(s).

6. My country tolerates people of other religions. Muslim fanatics cut their heads off. I think i'll start with Iraq.

Try introducing Muslim prayer in schools or something, or try wearing a burka (a full-body-covering piece of clothing Islamic women wear with the idea they please allah by doing so) in Alabama. You are only tolerant by law for the most part. It's a start, I guess.

It is better then some religious nut-cases in the middle-east, yes. But I don't see your army barging into darfur, when massive genocide took place there, ten times the seize the taliban could only dream of. Also for some lame ethnic or religious reason.

Don't act like you are there to 'save the innocent victims of the taliban'. Don't get me wrong, you probably do hate fundamentalist-Muslims with all your heart by now, but in the end, your government, the one that chooses what country to 'free' today, is there for other interests instead of 'innocent people' you find all over the world.

-

sidenote:
(Funny to see how in discussions in America, it's always Universal mind, and then some other random ultra-patriotistic other dude. (the 'other dude' keeps changing). Ah well. The more, the merrier. )

Originally Posted by Half/Dreaming

I'll respond according to your paragraphs.

1. No. Some of them have RPGs:p

Oh, great. =D

2. I never said sex was immoral.

I was joooo-kiiiii-nggggg. I was just saying that when a guy let a woman lick his nuts, that doesn't change how good or bad his decisions are.

I said Monica Lewinsky isnt hot. As to the other part, the problems Clinton created havent been seen until recently. Mainly, giving Hillary Clinton popularity. I'm dead serious.

Yeah, clinton fucked up. He like started wars, caused your economy to take a nose-dive, and score the 2nd or 3rd worst approval ratings in the like 300 year history of America. Oh wait, that was BUSH I am talking about.

You just hate Clinton because other people started saying how bad he was, so you would take your eyes of the crimes your current government is committing.

3. Saddam had ties with Al Quaeda. Loose ties, but nevertheless.

Yeah, ties of killing terrorist. Saddam was a dictator. They don't like terrorism, or anything that will disturb their power.

Don't you care that the very top of your government told lies to you?

4. Does anybody have a video of tower 7 falling? I would like to see it.

http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=antql-Nz4bY The magical powers of YouTube.

I could find you one, where some guy is saying it certainly is controlled demolition. Then he goes like: "why would they get in there and blow it up"? Reporter: "According to the government, they didn't" or something along those lines.

It wasn't wall-mart that was located in tower 7. It was like the FBI and some shit. Also, some weird transactions have been made from the twin towers almost right before the planes hit. Those transactions made someone pretty rich.

5. Al Quaeda fought the Russians in the 80's (and kicked Russian ass),

Yeah. They are using the same weapons your government to a terrorist organization to fight You now, instead of the Russians. (wouldn't be the first time the American government supports a terrorist organization or a dictator somewhere. The CIA reports are out there.)

so their goes your theory. HUNDREDS of lives a week? Ok. We are freeing those people from opression. Women were killed everyday by the Taliban for skowing skin. Would you want to live in a country like that? You dont, because you live under the blanket of the freedom England and the United States provides. If you believe our military might is not absolutely necessary for the life you live today in your little country, then you dont understand the world.

Cozy blanket you have there ^__^

I guess you also believe that terrorist attack the western world 'just' because they hate us? The west gets attacked, because he have been stirring up the middle-east for decades. Supporting one party with weapons to gain security over oil, or just actually being there and bombing the crap out of people, often innocents. There are lots and lots of dictators that do worse things, and lots and lots of sick, religious countries where they will stone you for nothing. However those countries don't just attack the west.
What the taliban did wasn't good, but bombing the shit out of it, causing tribe-wars, and more opium-money for bad-guys, really doens't help in the long term.

There is no reason why a country or area or religion would 'just attack' some other country, religion or area half-way across the world. It never has happened in history, at least. You got attacked, because the American government bitch-slapped the middle-east around for a bit too long.

I am also getting fed up with your rants about the innocent people. The average German citizen in 1944 was innocent. Do you imply that we shouldnt have invaded Germany, soley becasue there were innocent people? That is your logic when you say we shouldnt have invaded Afghanistan.

I certainly do not agree with the bombing of entire cities that the allies have done. (Our previous 'king' actually joined the bombings personally, lol. Fucking 'nobility'.) There is a difference between a tactical attack onto a continent that wants the occupant there (france, netherlands, ect), and bombing the crap out of a country, that hates you as much as the previous dictator(s).

6. My country tolerates people of other religions. Muslim fanatics cut their heads off. I think i'll start with Iraq.

Try introducing Muslim prayer in schools or something, or try wearing a burka (a full-body-covering piece of clothing Islamic women wear with the idea they please allah by doing so) in Alabama. You are only tolerant by law for the most part. It's a start, I guess.

It is better then some religious nut-cases in the middle-east, yes. But I don't see your army barging into darfur, when massive genocide took place there, ten times the seize the taliban could only dream of. Also for some lame ethnic or religious reason.

Don't act like you are there to 'save the innocent victims of the taliban'. Don't get me wrong, you probably do hate fundamentalist-Muslims with all your heart by now, but in the end, your government, the one that chooses what country to 'free' today, is there for other interests instead of 'innocent people' you find all over the world.

-

sidenote:
(Funny to see how in discussions in America, it's always Universal mind, and then some other random ultra-patriotistic other dude. (the 'other dude' keeps changing). Ah well. The more, the merrier. )

Nobody died when Clinton lied

I'd also like to see some substance to these "loose ties". Gimme some meat, not this vegan stuff...

Well to Neoron, people do believe the towers were brought down with controlled demolition charges, where did you hear otherwise?

Take a look at the group posted several times now, called Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth

http://www.ae911truth.org/

They give concise arguments. And a video I posted gives irrefutable proof of explosions in the basements, before the collapses. Which is not to say as Half-Dreaming grossly misinterprets that the collapses began there, but that the necessary prep-work took place for such a controlled demolition of that scale.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuq0ANHxvlM

Originally Posted by Replicon

Nobody died when Clinton lied

I'd also like to see some substance to these "loose ties". Gimme some meat, not this vegan stuff...

No, but a boatload of folks died when he let Somalia fall into an even bigger civil-war. All because like 16 of our soldiers died.

You want some meat? I aint got "meat". How about yellow cake?

Memeticverb, i'm going to "draw" this out for you. Now when i say "the top portion", think about that as the floors above where the planes hit.

The top portion falls ontop of the bottom as the bottom portion stays still. Then, the bottom portion floors collapse 1 by 1. The basement was the very last to be affected. Please, watch the videos. Take it in slow motion if you have to. You will see exactly what i said happened. Unless you are talking about WTC7. And dont use words like "irrefutable". You come off as a little smug.

NEURO!!! Here we go.

Yea, we hooked up the Taliban with some Stingers. If you have ever seen "Lord of War", there is a perfect quote. "Did it ever occur to you that i wanted both sides to loose".

Sure, the mid-east attacked us because we have been invading their privacy. Why did we invade their privacy in the first place? Their own mindless violence brought this upon themselves.

Prayer was not allowed in my public schools. That is the only way to keep it fair. And, yes, Muslim girls were allowed to wear the burkas (which always pissed us off because nobody else could wear hats).

Ultrapatriotic, am I? Maybe, maybe not, but it is better than just considering myself the resident of the country. I am proud as hell to be a part of the greatest superpower in history. Just dont think i dont have any issues with America.

Btw, where are these other ultrapatriotic people? I'm kinda standing alone here.

Originally Posted by memeticverb

Well to Neoron, people do believe the towers were brought down with controlled demolition charges, where did you hear otherwise?

Take a look at the group posted several times now, called Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth

http://www.ae911truth.org/

They give concise arguments. And a video I posted gives irrefutable proof of explosions in the basements, before the collapses. Which is not to say as Half-Dreaming grossly misinterprets that the collapses began there, but that the necessary prep-work took place for such a controlled demolition of that scale.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuq0ANHxvlM

Hmm..

I don't know man. I mean, the little dust-clouds that came out of the tower were bombs one time, and just the ceiling caving in according to others. And the pentagon 'rocket'... Nah.

I do think that they might have let 9/11 happen. It was awfully convenient. but they had no need to Actually blow up the towers, I think. I am going to stick with:

-Tower 7 demolished to hide some stuff about the agencies in that building
-Advanced knowledge about an upcoming attack by the bush administration, but either not taking it serious, or letting it happen (to get the people ready for a war)

Also, that one side of the pentagon the plane flew in 'just happened' to be the ONLY side of the pentagon that was re-enforced like a few months before the plane hit it.. : / strange.

Then again, people, eye-witnesses have also said some flight that crashed that was intended to hit the white house, didn't exist.. Sure. Why would the government go though such trouble?

Ah well, it doesn't matter how much proof for Real things there is. Before some people get the guts to really challenge the facts, the bush administration probably already all died out, the rich, old, greedy men they are.

To anyone that knows anything about how political theory, or controlling the masses works, would clearly understand that it's an inside job, and this is nothing new in history. Goverments have been secretly steering and controlling people with their hidden agendas since the very idea of ideaologies and goverments were implemented. They always think they know what's best. You mean next to nothing in the grand scheme of things, so even knowing that it's an inside job does nothing to stop the course of things either way. Oh well...c'est la vie...and woopdie doo...

Also, I'm from Washington D.C. and I happened to be less then 5 minutes away from the Pentagon across the Potomac River smoking a cigarette and talking with some friends outside our college campus about what had happened in NY city, and heard absolutely NO plane fly by what-so-ever at the time of the attack on the pentagon. Of course, I heard and saw the explosion, though. I later heard and saw military jets sortied and fly over AFTER the explosion, but nothing before. How come they won't release any of the hotel security tapes of the day in question if there truly was a plane that hit? It's quite simple: If there's nothing to hide, why hide it?

And, I'm sorry, but only thoughtless consumeristic nuisances to the world and society, inbred inept retards, or vacuous military servicemen that take the big red white and blue cock up their asses every day for their 'flawless and perfect' country, would be so blindly proud of their, 'altogether sanctimonious, but completely clueless country', for spreading their fear and terror to the dumbed down masses in order to start their trumped up wars. You know in all of america's short 300 year history the longest period of time without having a war has been 8 years, and most wars occur in even shorter intervals than that. You see, the thing is, America needs conflict so the masses can feel as if their lives have some sort of direction, purpose, or meaning. And, it's plain as day to those with half a brain that the people in power sit there and draw their imaginary good vs. evil lines in the sand. Doesn't matter whether it was the 'savage' Native Americans, the 'evil' Russians, or the 'evil' Terrorists, all of the propaganda are equally lies and pointless just the same. This time, so they can shred the constitution and bill of rights, and have people willingly hand over their freedoms from their fear of lack of security in order to pave the way for a police state and ultimately a one world goverment. It was done with the Nazis in Germany pre-WWII, and history is just repeating itself. Too bad there's nothing we can do about it, anyway.

I highly suggest you watch the documentaries by BBC's Adam Curtis,

'The Century of the Self', 'The Trap', and 'The Power of Nightmares'

Then again, you can willingly choose to remain ignorant like most do. As I said before, either way doesn't really matter, anyway...

Well, Solskye, then why would Mr. Bin Laden openly admitt to attacking the most powerful country in the world.

You think we are under Nazi-like rule? What? All over some wire taps. Why does that even bother anybody? I dont think George Bush gives a crap if you're cheating on your girlfriend.

My red white and blue cock isnt up my ass, and I'm not inbred. Forget all that other crap involved with with mid-east. All that matters is psycotic religious fanatics wanting to kill me people for stupid reasons. Unlike you, I believe fanatical muslims carried out the attacks. The same organization is the one laying bombs in Afghanistan and Iraq. I have no hang ups about killing these people.

Also, just because you did'nt hear a plane over DC doesn't mean there was no plane. I live in Atlanta, home of the biggest airport in the world. I don't notice all the planes.

Originally Posted by SolSkye

To anyone that knows anything about how political theory, or controlling the masses works, would clearly understand that it's an inside job, and this is nothing new in history.

Originally Posted by SolSkye

And, I'm sorry, but only thoughtless consumeristic nuisances to the world and society, inbred inept retards, or vacuous military servicemen that take the big red white and blue cock up their asses every day for their 'flawless and perfect' country, would be so blindly proud of their, 'altogether sanctimonious, but completely clueless country', for spreading their fear and terror to the dumbed down masses in order to start their trumped up wars.

You word way too many of your posts with comments like that and then make those points the themes of the posts. You are obsessed with making, "I'm better than you," your main argument, and often your only one. You are very much into trying to make people feel bad about themselves so you can bump up your own self-esteem a tiny little artificial notch. People who understand psychology don't see that as anything impressive. So let me tell you... People who understand the nature of logic and legitimate debate know clearly that your rhetoric amounts to assertion and not argument. Such people react to your particular rhetoric mainly by questioning whether you have Narcissistic Personality Disorder, which results from a subconscious tendency to artificially inflate self image to compensate for subconsciously self-perceived inferiority. I thought I should tell you.

Now, give us an actual argument that it was an inside job and not just an insulting assertion that is nothing but hot air. You were smoking a cigarette and didn't hear an airplane? Is that all you've got? I don't believe you. Give me the most solid argument you can give me. Don't forget to include details about how Bush or whoever convinced 19 people to commit suicide and thousands of others to help him with his evil conspiracy you know for a fact clearly existed.

I am also not a big fan of "tower science" as proof of it being an inside job. Either side of the argument has it's "facts", and in some cases assumptions. Its just not reasonable when people claim America attacked itself based on people "hearing explosions".

Conspiracy theories based on the physics of falling towers are weak at best.

After the two planes went into the twin towers, everyone was jumpy and looking up at EVERY plane after the grounding orders were given so that argument is beyond lame. Not to mention, you'd naturally think someone would at least hear the roar of a low flying 747 jet engine as it flew overhead and into a building less than 5 minutes away. Remember, the plane isn't a mile high in the sky it's flying directly overhead. All the more reason to notice. If I could hear the explosion and see the smoke, logic would dictate I should've been able to hear or see the plane. At the time, it was all kind of overwhelming so I thought nothing of it. Initially, they blocked off the whole crash site with a large tarp so you couldn't even see what the damage looked like, which was also weird in itself. When I actually saw on TV how small the hole was I tried to recant hearing a plane at the time of the explosion, and couldn't. I always personally thought the pentagon attack was fake as hell, whether you believe me or not is irrelevant. I don't know about the other attacks, but after watching some movies about them those smell fake, too.

And, Yes, this situation is very similar to Nazi Germany. Hitler purposely burned down a goverment office and blamed it on an external threat in order to tear apart their civil liberties in the name of homeland security. And obviously, the masses ate it right up, just as they are doing now. There's a reason our system of checks in balances was there in the first place, now that is currently being usurped with things like the patriot act and homeland security, and you actually think that's OK?!? Uhhh...Yeah. I'm sure people trusted Hitler to give them back their liberties just the same. I'm sorry, but if you actually believe that to be OK then that really goes to show how naive some of you actually are. Many of Bush's speeches sound astonishingly similar to some of Hitler's propaganda. They show specific clips and examples of all this stuff and more in, The Zeitgeist movie. It does a great job breaking down all the facts in an understandable and extremely hard to refute way about all the supposed attacks, including the plane that supposedly crashed in Pennsylvania. (Part 1. While equally interesting, deals with the lies behind religions which can be skipped if you want to get to the meat of the film)

Also, Universal Mind, I never said or thought I was better than anyone, but clearly those that blindly deny well laid out facts are, for better or worse... idiots, in anyone's book. Just like religious peons that blindly believe some invisible man in the sky is watching over them every minute of every day. If one doesn't take it upon themselves to get all the information before they open their sad little mouths they just end up sounding as ignorant and afraid as a child in denial of their inevitable loss of innocence.

And, oh yeah, you might want to know that your attempts at labeling me come across equally condescending, hypocritical, and just as retarded as every other person trying to let out steam for their inadequecies as people. I never said I was perfect, but at least I'm being honest in saying EVERYONE, including myself, is full of shit. I must say, though, it really brings a smile to my face when people think they have the authority to judge others because it's all the same hot air to me. What's your excuse?