Thread: americans/Brits using depleted uranum in bombs and shells

Originally Posted by Alric

I knew you would agree to it. I also knew you would totally ignore the part about making it a puppet government, because your so brainwashed you actually believe we do this stuff for freedom. No we do it so we can control their government.

Its just like Iraq. We said we freed them yet we control their government. Why didn't we allow them to choice their own government? Because if we allowed them to split iraq into 3 countries it would cause chaos. The only problem is that is what they want, and they have chaos right now anyway.

We overthrew their government, we put in our own puppets to control them, and we call it freedom. What a sick joke.

Try to show enough decency to not initiate personal attacks just because you are losing the argument. If you act civil, I will too. If you don't, I will just report you because I agreed to not go off with hostility even in the face of people like you. If I were brainwashed, I would not have arguments like I am making. I would be chanting slogans and acting unresponsive. Also, go to the Religion forum and read all about how brainwashed I am. Your personal attack was weak, unfounded, and false.

Now let's get into your actual arguments. Requiring a new government that we set up after much turmoil and expenditure is justifiable and necessary, and it is not proof that we only had one objective. However, that objective does result in our other objectives, such as the loss of threat and the spreading of democracy and prosperity over time.

Iraq is in a transition phase. Not having control of their government during the transition phase would be foolish and catastrophic. Our ultimate goal is to bring them to a point where they no longer need us. I don't believe they are there yet. Do you? What do you think would happen if we suddenly and completely abandoned them right this second? You are vastly generalizing when you say that chaos is what they want. Their future generations will be very glad that we got rid of the chaos. Will you?

Again... transition phase. It is fallacious to leap to the conclusion that it is representative of the entire future of Iraq.

Originally Posted by Harrycombs

Alric, that is exactly how I feel about the US.

Oh really? There have been cases like this where the PEOPLE of a country of that type of government have overthrown there government. Why was it so amazingly hard? There was this country called the USA that supplied that government with its weapons, there soldiers training, and even tried to secretly destroy that government. When Reagen couldn't leagely supply them any more, this thing called the Iran-contra affair happened. So the PEOPLE DID SUCCEDE! We tried our hardest to make sure they didn't, because we would lose MONEY!!! We didn't give a shit about Kuwait, we were losing MONEY because of Sadam. Its all about MONEY!!!

Edit- oh, and about Hitler, Japan ATTACKED US! Of course we got into the war!

The fact that healthy economy is a consideration is not proof that healthy economy is the only consideration. Please explain why you assume it is such proof.

You used a lot of pronouns in your post, so I am not sure what people under the conditions I described freed themselves. Who are they? Also, what would have been your prediction on the year the people of Iraq would have overthrown the Hussein regime on their own, in the face of the conditions I described?

How does the fact that Japan attacked us prove that we were not a necessary part of the stopping of Nazi world conquest?