Thread: Boot it out!!!

Kick Israeli Apartheid Out of Football - Fair Play for the Palestinians

Kick Israeli Apartheid Out of Football


Fair Play for the Palestinians

We the undersigned urge the Football Association (FA), the Union of European Football Association (UEFA) and the International Federation of Association Football (FIFA) to take appropriate measures to ban the national Israeli football team from all international fixtures until the state of Israel entirely complies with International Law and relevant United Nations resolutions to end Israeli occupation.

For the past 60 years, Israel has been destroying Palestinian lives, livelihoods and homes daily, is refusing to stop the building of illegal settlements and the apartheid wall on stolen land.

Palestinians love football but both amateur and professional players and the Palestinian Football Association are unable to function fully because of the occupation. Children have been killed and injured by the Israeli army while playing football. International and national football organizations must take action to support the Palestinians right and ability to participate at every level of the game.

We believe that, like the sporting boycott against Apartheid South Africa, only international pressure can make Israel end its violations of international Law and human rights towards the Palestinian people to bring about a just and lasting peace to the Middle-East.
(This petition will be brought to the attention of the FA, UEFA and FIFA ahead of the England - Israel Euro qualifier on 8th September 2007).

sign here --> http://www.palestinecampaign.org/pet...p?PetitionID=4

Originally Posted by dragonoverlord

Kick Israeli Apartheid Out of Football - Fair Play for the Palestinians

Kick Israeli Apartheid Out of Football


Fair Play for the Palestinians

We the undersigned urge the Football Association (FA), the Union of European Football Association (UEFA) and the International Federation of Association Football (FIFA) to take appropriate measures to ban the national Israeli football team from all international fixtures until the state of Israel entirely complies with International Law and relevant United Nations resolutions to end Israeli occupation.

For the past 60 years, Israel has been destroying Palestinian lives, livelihoods and homes daily, is refusing to stop the building of illegal settlements and the apartheid wall on stolen land.

Palestinians love football but both amateur and professional players and the Palestinian Football Association are unable to function fully because of the occupation. Children have been killed and injured by the Israeli army while playing football. International and national football organizations must take action to support the Palestinians right and ability to participate at every level of the game.

We believe that, like the sporting boycott against Apartheid South Africa, only international pressure can make Israel end its violations of international Law and human rights towards the Palestinian people to bring about a just and lasting peace to the Middle-East.
(This petition will be brought to the attention of the FA, UEFA and FIFA ahead of the England - Israel Euro qualifier on 8th September 2007).

sign here --> http://www.palestinecampaign.org/pet...p?PetitionID=4

That is one of the most biased, ignorant things I've heard in quite a while.

"For the past 60 years, Israel has been destroying Palestinian lives, livelihoods and homes daily, is refusing to stop the building of illegal settlements and the apartheid wall on stolen land."

The Palestinians have been trying to destroy the state of Israel since it was created. They have waged war on the Israelis again and again while the Israelis have made countless efforts for peace, with the Palestinians and with other Arab states. Israel is not the attacker, and has never been the attacker. In 1967, Israel didn't just wake up and decide, "Hey, let's bash the Arabs!", they got themselves out of bed to protect themselves and retaliate to the war that the Arabs wanted and that the Arabs started. The Israelis have always strived for peace and have always made a point of trying to kill terrorists and suicide bombers, the people who defend their actions in vain, protesting that it was right and holy to shoot Kassam rockets into Israel and blow up school buses. Israel always acts agains these terrorists and doesn't make it's intention to harm or kill innocent Palestinian civillians in brutal acts of terrorism that Hamas are commiting (and the PLO commited before them)*.

It's worth mentioning that, as well as trying not to harm innocent people, when there is violence in or near Israel and Arabs are hurt (Lebanese, Palestinan) the Israeli hospitals give them the best of treatment and offer their services to anyone and treat everyone fairly, though sometimes they are rewarded with curses and hurled gobs of spit. This has always been their policy. An Israeli asking for treatment at a Palestinian hospital might well be lynched for his trouble. If you want some more information on the way Israel treats this issue, you might consider viewing the real-life story of this lady, paticularily the bit concerning hospitals - http://www.youtube.com/results?searc...igitte+Gabriel. She explains it much better than I can.

"Palestinians love football but both amateur and professional players and the Palestinian Football Association are unable to function fully because of the occupation. Children have been killed and injured by the Israeli army while playing football. International and national football organizations must take action to support the Palestinians right and ability to participate at every level of the game."

Your comment about children being hurt makes it sound as if that was the objective of the Israeli Army, and if you have even a shred of evidence supporting that, or that children were hurt at all, please bring it up before caullouslly throwing that in to gain a little sympathy. Not only is it irrelevant, we can't argue the point properly because you have no references to it whatsoever. Personaly, I think it would be a tragedy if a child was hurt, but I have to point out it wasn't the aim of the Israelis Army to hurt it, yet it is the aim of the Palestinian government to blow Israeli children into smithereens. I think you can see the difference of mentality here.

By the way, I do think the Palestinians have the right to enjoy football - They have the same rights as me - but tell me why is it you think Israel is not allowed to participate in football and Palestine is? You say this will continue until "until the state of Israel entirely complies with International Law and relevant United Nations resolutions to end Israeli occupation." In the same logic, Palestine shouldn't be allowed to have a football team, because they have also not complied with International Law. Their government is at present a terrorist government that condones terrorism thatdoes not comply with International Law. All this is recognized by the UN.

Basically, your argument makes no sense.

By the way, the only way there is going to be a just, note just peace in the Middle East is if you give Israelis the same rights you want to give the Palestinians, and when the MIddle East stops asking for the destruction of Israel. A just and lasting peace is not going to happen if the Arabs don't stop trying to kill all Israelis. It's also not going to happen if people like you don't wake up and start to realise that the nasty Israelis are living in terror and are being just as oppressed as the Palestinians.



*It's an interesting fact that the PLO, the "sole legitimate representative of the Palestinian people" - as regarded by the Arab League since 1974 - whose main goal is to, as stressed in their original charter, to further the destruction of the state of Israel and to annihalate it completely, was founded on June 26, 1964. One of there main goals has always been (apparently that's why they want to bulldoze the Israelis) to return the Palestinian people to the land Israel claimed in the 1967 war.

Here is a children's show, on Al Qasa TV, sponsored by Hamas.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lv3dv...elated&search=

My favorite part is the "We will anhialate the Jews" part said by the little girl. They say that fanatical Islam is the basis for all civilization, and say they will run the world under Islamic leadership. This is Al Qasa, a Palestinian TV network, of the country you love so much.

Here is the main Mickey Mouse character being killed by a Jew, then children saying they will expell the Jews from the land.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=z9lL81QhiR8

A Humble Sinner, thank you. Now I don't have to say it.

Ya i know there is hypocracy in that statemanet that i copied and pasted. I was just tyring to get a petition sighned.

Israel has been treated like the "bad guy" unjustly alot.

Though several arab countries have established "normal releations" there is still alot of dislike there....

I cant understand for the life of me why Hamas sends Qassam rockets into israel even though they are bloddily un accurate and same goes with hezbollah and Kayusha.

I think in palestine there should be a rule that no policial party should have an armed wing so what happend between fatah and hamas in gaza doenst hapeen again.

I think the most important issue right now is Israel and palestine one ie pre 1967 borders.

There is a famous saying that everyone cares about palestine but not the palestinians.

Originally Posted by dragonoverlord

Ya i know there is hypocracy in that statemanet that i copied and pasted. I was just tyring to get a petition sighned.

Israel has been treated like the "bad guy" unjustly alot.

Though several arab countries have established "normal releations" there is still alot of dislike there....

I cant understand for the life of me why Hamas sends Qassam rockets into israel even though they are bloddily un accurate and same goes with hezbollah and Kayusha.

I think in palestine there should be a rule that no policial party should have an armed wing so what happend between fatah and hamas in gaza doenst hapeen again.

I think the most important issue right now is Israel and palestine one ie pre 1967 borders.

There is a famous saying that everyone cares about palestine but not the palestinians.

No, I definitely think that here, in this topic, the famous saying so far is everybody cares about palestinians, but not the Israelis.

Yes Israel has been trated like the bad guy a lot. A LOT.

Next point: Though several Arab countries have established "normal relations" there is still a lot of dislike... No kidding! Of course there is still a lot of dislike!

"I cant understand for the life of me why Hamas sends Qassam rockets into israel even though they are bloddily un accurate and same goes with hezbollah and Kayusha."

Look, I don't think you understand. Hamas are TERRORISTS. They send rockets into the general direction of a town in Israel and the rockets hit someone. They don't care who exactly it is they kill. Same with Hizbollah (TERRORISTS), etc. They get most of their weapons from Israel's friendly neighbours.


"I think in palestine there should be a rule that no policial party should have an armed wing so what happend between fatah and hamas in gaza doenst hapeen again."

I'm really, really trying not to be nasty here. This is not sarcasm. That is never going to happen. Hamas aren't nice kiddies. They are TERRORISTS. They are bad, bad people who KILL innocent Israeli men, women and children without discrimination because they are opposed to the state of Israel. They do not accept negotiation or diplomacy but just KILL people, use their own children as bloody shaheeds to blow themselves up in Israel. This should give you some sort of idea what they're like! Look at what Half/Dreaming said, the video about Mickey Mouse/Suicide Bombs. It should give you some idea what these people are like. They send their own children to do murder for them (this is why Israel have your condemmed aparthied wall) and brainwash them on TV that all Jews and Israeli's are evil. Please, watch the videos.

These people kill innocent people and all the while tell themselves that it is god's work. Wake up! Try to understand even a tiny little bit about what's happening there before talking about it or promoting a petition about it.

Originally Posted by Half/Dreaming

Here is a children's show, on Al Qasa TV, sponsored by Hamas.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lv3dv...elated&search=

My favorite part is the "We will anhialate the Jews" part said by the little girl. They say that fanatical Islam is the basis for all civilization, and say they will run the world under Islamic leadership. This is Al Qasa, a Palestinian TV network, of the country you love so much.

Here is the main Mickey Mouse character being killed by a Jew, then children saying they will expell the Jews from the land.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=z9lL81QhiR8

Haha. You're so simple. Because a small portion of Palestine is FUCKING crazy, that means it is okay to give the entire country unequal rights and such?

Fact of the matter is, a small portion of Palestine people, and a small portion of Israelis, are fucking assholes. Some Palestinian assholes would beat up an innocent Israeli, and some asshole Israeli soldiers don't lose sleep over shooting Palestine children.

Just because both countries have a few Huge assholes in them, shouldn't most the majority of innocent people should suffer. And I am quite sure more innocent people live shit lives in Palestine than innocent people live a shit life in Israel, and That is what matters.

Originally Posted by Neruo

Haha. You're so simple. Because a small portion of Palestine is FUCKING crazy, that means it is okay to give the entire country unequal rights and such?

Fact of the matter is, a small portion of Palestine people, and a small portion of Israelis, are fucking assholes. Some Palestinian assholes would beat up an innocent Israeli, and some asshole Israeli soldiers don't lose sleep over shooting Palestine children.

Just because both countries have a few Huge assholes in them, shouldn't most the majority of innocent people should suffer. And I am quite sure more innocent people live shit lives in Palestine than innocent people live a shit life in Israel, and That is what matters.

No, because Palestine is run by those people. Because Palestinian TV networks promote that show. Its the government I'm worried about, not the average citizen.

Originally Posted by Neruo

Haha. You're so simple. Because a small portion of Palestine is FUCKING crazy, that means it is okay to give the entire country unequal rights and such?

Fact of the matter is, a small portion of Palestine people, and a small portion of Israelis, are fucking assholes. Some Palestinian assholes would beat up an innocent Israeli, and some asshole Israeli soldiers don't lose sleep over shooting Palestine children.

Just because both countries have a few Huge assholes in them, shouldn't most the majority of innocent people should suffer. And I am quite sure , and That is what matters.

When an Israeli soldier kills an Israeli Palestinian kid, he is dealt with as a MURDERER. When a terrorist carries out cold blooded, systematical butchery he is praised by Allah and is seen as a hero.

The next comment is completely ridiculous. What makes you so sure that "more innocent people live shit lives in Palestine than innocent people live a shit life in Israel"? Innocent? Yes, I'm glad you realised that they are innocent. But that's not my point.

My point is that the people in Israel are being terrorized and the people in Palestine aren't having suicide bombs dropped on them and Kassam rockets shot onto them. Israel is striving for peace, and unlike Palestine or many of it's orginizations, hah, they aren't continually commiting acts of terrorism against Palestinians. So yes, I think Isreali's are having a pretty shit time. But they are spared one thing: A terrorist govenment that, as Imran so eloquently pointed out in one of his other threads, the Palestinian people have voted for.

Oh, and Neruo, just because a small portion of Israel is FUCKING crazy, that means it is okay to give the entire country unequal rights and inflict mass murder on them every day?

I think Israel should be a democracy where Jews and Muslims are allowed to live together without a government run by a religion. Since there are two Israelis posting in this thread, please tell me to what extent that describes how Israel already is. I have a relative who lives in Israel, and she is the only Israeli I have ever talked to about the situation, so I wanted to get some more perspectives.

Originally Posted by A Humble Sinner

When an Israeli soldier kills an Israeli Palestinian kid, he is dealt with as a MURDERER. When a terrorist carries out cold blooded, systematical butchery he is praised by Allah and is seen as a hero.

That doesn't make one or the other right. Actually, luckily, I have the impression most 'terrorists' (palastine asshats) blow themselves up, so they sort themselves out.

Still, what does it have to do with anything?

The next comment is completely ridiculous. What makes you so sure that "more innocent people live shit lives in Palestine than innocent people live a shit life in Israel"? Innocent? Yes, I'm glad you realised that they are innocent. But that's not my point.

Because just about Every Palestinian lives in the big open-aired prison they call their country. That includes innocents. Most Israelis live a (relatively) far more peaceful, wealthy life. You can't deny life in Palestine is shit-poor, fucked up, way less safe and free than Israel. Israel pushing their will, army and borders on Palestine doesn't help.

As does idiots bombing Israel does make life very bad for some Israelis.

My point is that the people in Israel are being terrorized and the people in Palestine aren't having suicide bombs dropped on them and Kassam rockets shot onto them. Israel is striving for peace, and unlike Palestine or many of it's orginizations, hah, they aren't continually commiting acts of terrorism against Palestinians. So yes, I think Isreali's are having a pretty shit time. But they are spared one thing: A terrorist govenment that, as Imran so eloquently pointed out in one of his other threads, the Palestinian people have voted for.

Yeah. And when Germany felt like they were fucked in the ass in the past, they happily let their saviour, Hitler, 'make things better'. Do I think every German citizen was bad just for getting swept away by nation-wide retardation? No. Nor do I blame every single person in Palestine for voting on some retard that gave them the impressing he would right the wrongs.

There are quite a lot of wrongs in Palestine. I couldn't really think of a worse country to live in, execpt for north-korea perhaps. Hell, I would rather live in America than in Palestine ().

The point is, that bombing back the idiots that fuck up Palestine just makes the shit-poor, intellectually-derived, religiously-brainwashed more prone to get pissed at you more.

As the Far more wealthy and powerful nation, Israel is acting pretty stupid. They should act Way more defensively, and bomb Palestine with food instead of with bombs, because in the end, that will cause less overall bloodshed.

Oh, and Neruo, just because a small portion of Israel is FUCKING crazy, that means it is okay to give the entire country unequal rights and inflict mass murder on them every day?

Did I say that?

All I said was, that I believe no person deverses to be born and to live in a country as fucked up as Palestine. Hell, I could see everyone I know, including myself, to be turned into a terrorists, if they grew up in a fucked out country like Palestine, being brainwashed and having people you know get bombed.

Acting all " 'they' are bombing us, so we bomb 'em back" really seems like fucking up humanity even more, to me.

Originally Posted by Half/Dreaming

Here is a children's show, on Al Qasa TV, sponsored by Hamas.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lv3dv...elated&search=

My favorite part is the "We will anhialate the Jews" part said by the little girl. They say that fanatical Islam is the basis for all civilization, and say they will run the world under Islamic leadership. This is Al Qasa, a Palestinian TV network, of the country you love so much.

Here is the main Mickey Mouse character being killed by a Jew, then children saying they will expell the Jews from the land.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=z9lL81QhiR8

And Christian fundamentalist shows arn't the same? Abeit, saying/doing different things to the non-believers?