Thread: What's the dealio with GOP candidate Ron Paul?

Originally Posted by Moonbeam

Also, let more parties participate, of course.

I thought all parties can participate. It's just other parties don't get nearly as much support as dems and republicans.

Originally Posted by Grod

I thought all parties can participate. It's just other parties don't get nearly as much support as dems and republicans.

No, they system is rigged against third parties. For example, they have to collect huge numbers of signatures to even get on the ballot, in every state, they are not allowed to participate in the debates, they don't have tax-payer supported primaries to pick their candidate, etc.

Originally Posted by Moonbeam

No, they system is rigged against third parties. For example, they have to collect huge numbers of signatures to even get on the ballot, in every state, they are not allowed to participate in the debates, they don't have tax-payer supported primaries to pick their candidate, etc.

Thanks. I'm going to find more about this...

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Donate Today! Dec.16th Ron Paul on Mad Money w/ Cramer 12-14-07

Thanks for reminding me.

If you donate $5,000 you can ride in his blimp:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6I5zYu541Q

Closing in on 6 million and climbing!!!
Dec 16th Ron Paul donation day coverage on CNN
RON PAUL CNN TEA PARTY MONEY BOMB REPORT
Why Ron Paul Needs Our Donations NOW
Ron Paul VS Tyranny
Ron Paul : Hero of the Day


International support!!
International Ron Paul Support at Strasbourg Teaparty #1
Ron Paul US Embassy Tea Party New Zealand!
RON PAUL Dubai to Boston Tea Party Celebration GO RON GO RON


It's funny when you look back on the first few pages of this thread back in July, and how many people so arrogantly said Ron Paul had little to no chance of winning, and how Giuliani was guaranteed the nomination. Where's Giuliani in the polls now? Oh my... how the tide has turned.
Giuliani: "The Ron Paul people are all over the country"

It looked like he made Bernanke start crying.

Would you look at that... OVER 6 MILLION DOLLARS IN ONE DAY!?!? BREAKING ALL PREVIOUS RECORDS (Kerry with 5.7 mill)!!!

Remember this little POS from back in July?
Clip of George Stephanopoulos Rudely Dismissing Ron Paul to His Face. (Full version)

I bet Stephanopoulos isn't feeling so confident right about now. What a stupid arrogant little prick... hopefully today wiped that arrogant and ugly smirk off his sad face.

Huge fund-raisers provide equally huge amounts of free publicity. Ron Paul has definitely set the record for the most efficiently-run campaign.

The primaries are so close now. Exciting, but scary, like putting all your money on the fastest horse in the race. You know he can win. He's the best choice. Yet, the finish line is only a few laps away. Will he make it?

Newlyweds: The CNN+Fox News Story - December 16th -Ron Paul
Government is Big Business
RON PAUL MOTIVATION

This success for Ron Paul couldn't have come at a better time, right on the heels of Mitt Romney having a flip-flopping fiasco of an interview on the very same day with Meet the Press. I must admit, I didn't know what Mitt was about before today but could smell the stench of lies a country away. Not to mention, his pro-war and pro-NID card stances suck ass to begin with. It's actually quite entertaining to watch him pathologically lie his way out of one web of lies he tangled himself up in, and right into another one. A spider stuck in it's own web... how pathetic. I hope he chokes on those dirty millions he wasted on that pathetic excuse for a campaign of his.
Check out Mitt Romney on Meet the Press 12/16/07 - Part (1 of 5); (2 of 5); (3 of 5); (4 of 5); (5 of 5) LOLZ...watch the tool squirm

Mass media Tea Party Coverage so far...
Ron Paul breaks fundraising record and gets 15 second blip!
Look how they twist the story:
"ron paul says he raised..."
"record for the congressman"
"supporters are generous"
Also, they forgot to mention the total is over 18 million. Only 1 million shy of Obama's Q3 record, and likely to outdo many Republican "front-runners"

Ron Paul: $6Mil pull reported on Fox And Friends (12/17/07)
Wow!!!! A whole 10 seconds!!!!!

Austin Tea Party for Ron Paul (FOX coverage)
Wait. What about the money being raised? That's odd...

Morning Joe on MSNBC mentions Tea Party Ron Paul Success briefly, as expected.
News you can't use? OMG RLY? HUH 5.2MIL?? I thought it was over 6?? That's odd... the media mis-reporting facts!? I'm shocked and appalled. Ron Pauled that is.


With the corrupt corporate interests and biased mass-media's misrepresentations and attempts to silence him being continually thwarted at every turn, it's getting more likely they might try and implement other methods of 'silencing' him. I don't know but it might be something to think about

Oh, and in other news, when you vote in the primaries insist on paper ballots in your voting area

I found it galling that he referred to the idea of inalienable rights as something guaranteed by a creator, but not the government or the constitution. The very purpose of the Bill of Rights was to enumerate some of those inalienable rights and enshrine them the inviolable core of the government. As the constitution states, The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people. The people cannot retain rights that the government does not give them, unless those rights are inherently vested in the people, whether they ultimately come from a creator or not. The government cannot take away rights that the people have reserved to themselves, just as it cannot claim authority which the people do not give.

While simultaneously claiming a position based upon the founding fathers', he dismisses the foundation of their thinking. His position would most likely be echoed by the rest of the GOP crowd, except for Ron Paul. As usual.

Heh, you having fun Sol? I can tell you're loving this - me too! Just getting dizzy with all these links you're layin' down!

I noticed a Ron Paul group in my city on meetup.com - I wanted to join them this Sunday at the football game, but I was tailgating with my friends and we got slammed with a bit of a blizzard. I'm not even sure if the group showed up like they said they would, but I hope they did.

I was excited to see this morning that he passed the $12 million goal (which I predicted by end of this month anyway).

One thing to be careful of though, Sky - he definitely brought forth the attention to everyone as to the power of the internet. So, now we must keep an eye on how those big corporations/government/media empires will try and control it so that this type of thing (an honest, non-corrupt, un-manipulatable candidate) won't have a chance again.

Where did universal go? You still saying Ron Paul is a joke and has no chance at all? 6 million dollars in one day. Breaking all the records. I know on tv his polls show him at 5% and on the internet his polls are always beating everyone. Which one is closer to the truth? I don't know but with him raising more money than everyone else, the joke is saying he doesn't stand a chance.

Finally, some real coverage...

CNN Cafferty Ron Paul polling question/answers - 12/17/2007
Why isn't Ron Paul higher in the polls? Could it be because you guys conduct the polls. NAAWWW the media can't possibly have special interests or be biased, right?

Ron Paul on CNN Situation Room December 17, 2007

Tucker Carlson's MSNBC show. 12-17-07

Ron Paul's FOXNEWS coverage from 5am - 1pm PT on Dec 17, '07

"Money Bomb" Monday Morning News

Quick question. Why in the hell is Huckabee, with the least amount of money raised, starting to rise in the polls? Is it because he has a lame ad with Chuck Norris, because I just don't get it? His naive black and white religious views have him living in the la-la land of absolutes with pro-war stances that make him seem too similar to good ol' war mongering g.w. to make me even the slightest bit interested in him. Anyone that continually mentions god in their speeches and pleas to be president should automatically raise eyebrows. ESPECIALLY, after the George Bush fiasco.

Where did universal go?

He's probably having a merry Christmas.

It's not hard to be a nay-sayer for an underdog. It takes balls to wage a bet and take a chance on something good when you see it.

I remember UM and Half/Dreaming were so sure of Guilani being the nominee. Now look at Guiliani...What a joke of a campaign it's become. Just like Mitt Romney having to pump his own funds into his laughable flip-flopping campaign . Right now, it looks like it'll now be between, Paul and Huckabee. Although, I have no clue how Huckabee gained people's interests with so little financial support and the shitty views he holds. I can only think that mindless christian drones with no real opinion backed him after hearing his first ramblings about god.

Although, I have no clue how Huckabee gained people's interests with so little financial support and the shitty views he holds. I can only think that mindless christian drones with no real opinion backed him after hearing his first ramblings about god.

answer:

Why isn't Ron Paul higher in the polls? Could it be because you guys conduct the polls. NAAWWW the media can't possibly have special interests or be biased, right?

I forgot what it's called, but there's a term for it - it's along the lines of 'conformaty', but not quite. People will usually act according to other large groups (or masses) behavior. Studies where done where a person would show signs of distress, everyone would think about helping, but because "no one else tried to help", they just observed.

Same principle here, if enough people think that Huckabee is getting support from masses, then those (weak-minded) people will simply conform and follow suit.

I know it's being manipulated by the media I just don't know why people don't sit there and question it. I would expect nothing less than people to question, "Hey.... he only raised a little over a million this quarter how could he be at the top?"

Glenn Beck actually behaves himself for a change. I'm surprised.
Ron Paul Interviewed By Glenn Beck on CNN 12-18-07 (1/7); (2/7); (3/7); (4/7); (5/7); (6/7); (7/7)

Check out what's the ticker at around 2:15 on part 1/7 -- "PAUL IS DEAD, PAUL IS DEAD, PAUL IS DEAD". And just before that Huckabee is referring to that being part of a subliminal message. This displays while Ron Paul is speaking.

This is not funny at all, given that Daniel Estulin reported that via his Bilderberg contacts he found out that there has been talk among the powerful elite of "removing" Ron Paul.

Well, you know what I think it is, Sol, it's that we're not actually a nation of idiots - instead we are essentially lazy. We are (in general) a people who enjoy our $1 menu at McDonald's, Starbucks Frappaccino's, and lame-ass reality programming - so we'd rather just sit and chill and believe everything's allright as long as we're comfortable. Meanwhile, the large corporations and government knows this and tries to keep us 'content'. When they do something that pisses us off, we simply figure "eh, nothing I can do, I'm just one citizen - can't fight an entire corporation". Like the old song goes, "I fought the law, and the law won...".

I think this "revolution" is starting to unite these people who felt helpless by themselves. Now this candidate gives them something to get behind. It's just a matter of enough people joining up by next November.

Sol, it's that we're not actually a nation of idiots - instead we are essentially lazy.

What is the difference?

Common Sense

Something interesting I stumbled on today...

Individualism vs Collectivism
# INTRO
# P1. The Nature and Origin of Human Rights
# P2. Group Supremacy
# P3. Coercion vs Freedom
# P4. Equality and Inequality under the Law
# P5. Proper Role of Government

What is the difference?

Heh, good point. I guess an idiot would just stumble around endlessly without any clear direction. An lazy person has the intelligence to accomplish something, he/she merely needs the motivation to get their arse off the couch.

This is priceless: full article here

Paul keeps white supremacist donation

WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. - Republican presidential hopeful Ron Paul has received a $500 campaign donation from a white supremacist, and the Texas congressman doesn't plan to return it, an aide said Wednesday....

...."Dr. Paul stands for freedom, peace, prosperity and inalienable rights. If someone with small ideologies happens to contribute money to Ron, thinking he can influence Ron in any way, he's wasted his money,"

Can't wait to see how they'll spin this. I think he'll be on Meet the Press this Sunday.

BUHBYE HORSE FACE!!!
Time Magazine: Is Giuliani Facing Free Fall? P.....W.....N.....E.....D!!!!
Rudy Guiliani owned in St. Louis by Ron Paul Supporters The thumbs up at the end was classic...LOLZ!!!


FAUX SSSSSSSPPPPPPPPIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNN ZONE!!!
Ron Paul Interviewed By Neil Cavuto's Smear Campaign12-19-07 They call him on to address Huckabee's ad, and address the beliefs of one of his donations? Say, wha!?
Ron Paul on Fox & Friends (PT.1of2) 12-18-07"Congrats on the fundraising! We'll talk about your money in a second but first let's talk about HUCKABEE!!!" OMG RLY!?! LOLZ!
Ron Paul on Fox & Friends (PT.2of2) 12-18-07One word response ROTFL!!!? GOOD... BAD! HOT...COLD! YES... NO! GHEY!....SUPER GHEY! DUHHHHHHHH!

Does anyone actually watch FOX news and take it seriously anymore, or is it more like pro-wrestling where you watch for the blatantly fake over-rehearsed over-exaggeration for the entertainment factor? If it's the latter at least I can kind of understand.