Thread: Lets talk about drugs!

So I just want to ask what people think about drugs.

This is a question open to any answer you want to give!

"It is bad!!!! and it hurts you!"
"It is awesome duuuuude! Here I have some!"
"Drugs are a doorway to a greater consciousness, you should take some."
"Drugs are a chemical break down in the brain that cause hallucinations or pleasant feelings"
"Drugs let you see spirits harshiwashiwiiizlybop!"

Now, i'm interested in seeing what you all think, I might not respond, but thats ok, your points are still valid, well, if they are valid they are valid =).

I'm sure a post like this has been created before, but wheres the fun in reading OLD points that will simple be addressed here again? I bet you next year there will be another and another, aww, isn't it cute how we all recycle old ideas?

On a side note, last night I tried marijuana in a lucid dream...Know whats funny? It was good lol, after taking it I got PARANOID Ahh, I know too cute right? I used my powers to seal the windows and it got dark in the room. I then created a little black light, but the neat thing was it turned out to be one of the caladoscopy looking things, and everywhere you specificly looked the light pattern would follow, it was fun for sure!

There is a difference between drug use and druge abuse.
I support most kind of drug use, im not personally fond of stimulants, however, dpressants or hallucogenics can at times be perfect, and yes I do think sensible drug use can expand ones conciousness

"Cannbis is the vehicle to cosmic conciousness"

I seriously beleive that we all should ahve the right to experiment with our conciousness in practically any way we see fit without harm to others.

Weed, is perfection, relatively harmless, not truly addictive and so relaxing and beautiful. It never ceases to mamaze me how much my perspectve changes and improves under the influence. Its hard to explain unless you toke reguaraly, but I think weed in moderate amouns would be good for anybody, it opens a new outlook and it really does improve your character in meyeyes, well it does for me anyway.

I personally dont see the attraction in stimulants,.

I think every (adult) person has the right to put into their body whatever they want, along as they don't hurt other people.

And some drugs can really change your view of the world for the better. However, some can also fuck you up pretty bad. Caution is pretty important.

I really do not like drugs at all, even medical usage ones, i think that drugs such as crack or cocaine or LSD etc are a waste of time, yeah, you may get a high from them, but at the end of the day you may become addicted, you may end up killing yourself or even wasting your money on drugs you don't need, people only take them because of curiousity and depression because they think it will help, when in reality it is making them alot worse.

In terms of drugs and medicines for use of curing and healing, i only use medicine if i really need it, as well as drugs etc, if i have a cold i'll sweat it off, why rely on drugs and medicines when you could just stay strong, at the end of the day it makes you mentally stronger, able to deal with these things, drugs can be helpful when needed but why rely on them, because if you depend on them too much you will not be able to depend on yourself, i know that this can happen because it happened to my dad, he takes pills everyday and different drugs and things to make him feel better, they have made him worse in my opinion, he takes them for no reason, he can't handle feeling ill either, he gets really fussy and is like a young child.

Next time your ill, wait through it and when you've beat it you will feel alot better We may come to a time that we cannot get hold of drugs and medicines. Be prepared i say!

I'm pretty much against hard drugs like heroin and cocaine, since they basically just make you feel very nice and kill you slowly.
I think the cannabis is pretty harmless if used in relative moderation, although it can lead to depression if overused. I think that cigarettes are very bad since they just calm you down, they're very addictive and they kill you.
I can't really talk about Mushrooms and DMT, or those other drugs that 'expand your consciousness' or whatever, although having read someone's account of a DMT trip (I think it was Nina) I can see that you have to be careful how much you take of this stuff and that it's now for everyone.
Have I covered everything? Oh yea Alcohol is pretty much ok, if you don't get addicted.
LSD and Extasy again, I can't really judge since I've had no experience with them, but I definitely wouldn't take a pill of the stuff if it was offered to me at a party

Originally Posted by Lucid Seeker

I really do not like drugs at all, even medical usage ones, i think that drugs such as crack or cocaine or LSD etc are a waste of time, yeah, you may get a high from them, but at the end of the day you may become addicted, you may end up killing yourself or even wasting your money on drugs you don't need, people only take them because of curiousity and depression because they think it will help, when in reality it is making them alot worse.

In terms of drugs and medicines for use of curing and healing, i only use medicine if i really need it, as well as drugs etc, if i have a cold i'll sweat it off, why rely on drugs and medicines when you could just stay strong, at the end of the day it makes you mentally stronger, able to deal with these things, drugs can be helpful when needed but why rely on them, because if you depend on them too much you will not be able to depend on yourself, i know that this can happen because it happened to my dad, he takes pills everyday and different drugs and things to make him feel better, they have made him worse in my opinion, he takes them for no reason, he can't handle feeling ill either, he gets really fussy and is like a young child.

Next time your ill, wait through it and when you've beat it you will feel alot better We may come to a time that we cannot get hold of drugs and medicines. Be prepared i say!

So whats your view on alcohol?

What sort of drugs are we talking about here? The term 'Drugs' leaves for a wide subject of debate. There are so many types...

Softer drugs like cannabis I think should be legalised for personal use within your own property much like smoking is. Holland have it right in my opinion. Harder drugs, well OK they are bad for you and can cause serious effects but as Imran points out drug use and drug abuse are 2 totally different things.

In all I think I am against it, purely because of my past. But I don't judge drug users, and no doubt most of you here all associate with drug users but just don't know it! Drugs like cocaine, especially where I live is taken by so many people who you wouldn't expect etc.

Anyway, I can live with it, but not in my face!

Originally Posted by Sandform

Lets talk about drugs!

No, I'd rather not. I mean, don't you think this forum is already overrun enough as it is with drug talk?

Originally Posted by Neruo

I think every (adult) person has the right to put into their body whatever they want, along as they don't hurt other people.

I think that this post pretty much says it all.

prohibiting mentioning psychedelics in a dreaming forum is like prohibiting mentioning snow on a skiing forum.

Listen, i know you may all turn on me now for saying this but lucid dreaming is supposed to be a fun experience that you can explore, if you haven't already noticed, this is a Lucid Dreaming forum and i think that discussing the use of drugs can be a bit irresponsible, i mean sure you could say that taking a particular drug is fine with you but what if a young member comes and reads it, then decides "What the hell, they did it, why can't i?" and this could put them in serious danger.

I think that talking about drugs is bad for this forum, there is no need for it because it is a lucid dreaming forum, not even for induction techniques to induce lucid dreams using them. Its bad because it can encourage those who are younger to do things that are illegal and its putting their life in danger.

Remember, its a Lucid Dreaming forum, not a drugs forum.

Personally I don't like censorship.

Possible Idea! I think the concerns of the Mods/Admins is of course the "kids" or teenagers etc that use the forum. Can't they just have a drug/substance (legal or illegal doesnt matter) folder that give that gives a pop-up box with a legal disclaimer that in a sense protects (legality wise) DV. I mean even legal substances/supplements could possibly do damaged if used wrong or the correct precautions were not taken.

I think SKA's post are intelligent and well thought out topics. Some drug related and others that are not. He would be missed from this forum. This forum gets bombarded with the same topics (with new threads mind you) over and over!!! Seems pointless if nothing new is brought to the table.

Originally Posted by Lucid Seeker

Remember, its a Lucid Dreaming forum, not a drugs forum.

By following that logic we should also delete the entire off-topic forum, right?

Originally Posted by Lucid Seeker

Listen, i know you may all turn on me now for saying this but lucid dreaming is supposed to be a fun experience that you can explore, if you haven't already noticed, this is a Lucid Dreaming forum and i think that discussing the use of drugs can be a bit irresponsible, i mean sure you could say that taking a particular drug is fine with you but what if a young member comes and reads it, then decides "What the hell, they did it, why can't i?" and this could put them in serious danger.

I think that talking about drugs is bad for this forum, there is no need for it because it is a lucid dreaming forum, not even for induction techniques to induce lucid dreams using them. Its bad because it can encourage those who are younger to do things that are illegal and its putting their life in danger.

Remember, its a Lucid Dreaming forum, not a drugs forum.

I can see a lot of that view, especially the part about illegality (along with my earlier stated view about not wanting this site or lucid dreaming to be associated with something as taboo as drugs), but I have seen evidence that some people who post here see no distinction between the lethal high drugs that are addictive and the nonlethal trip drugs that are not addictive (Though they can cloud judgment and interfere with driving ability and so forth and induce psychotic episodes in people who are already psychotic.). The U.S. government and most governments do not acknowledge the difference either. They are two very completely different things. Aside from the legality issue, alcohol is much more in a category with heroin and cocaine than mushrooms and mescaline are, and there has been a gung-ho alcohol thread at the top of Senseless Banter for ages. But alcohol is not a taboo subject because it is legal for adults and society at large does not really see alcohol as a drug, which I think is extremely insane. I don't think there is much reason for being against discussion about driving a Honda Accord to the store on the basis that Nascar racing is very life-threatening. The term "drugs" is very broad. But again, it is a taboo subject about stuff that is illegal in most cases.

I think the reason of life is not to live a long life, or to even life a meaningful life, but to live a happy life. I personally believe some drugs like canabis are simply a way to make your life happier, Even if it did make my life shorter, It would be worth it to smoke canabis and only live to be 65 instead of 75. Unless your high 24/7, cause then its just plain wrong.

What annoys me is that people so often use high crime rates as an anti-drugs argument. As you can see here Austrailia, England and Wales all have the highest crime rates on these lists. Laws are very strict on drugs in the countries with the highest crime rates (actually I was recently told that even salvia divinorum [spelling?] is illegal in Austrailia).

This is 8 years ago....

6 years ago.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/graphics/2001/02/23/ncrim123.gif

And drugs were around 6 years ago too. My post shows that drugs aren't something you can use as an excuse for high crime rates. There are obviously bigger problems than drugs in this country causing high crime rates.

Sandform. I'm sorry to bring you some bad news, but moral Dictatorship is yet again the policiy of these Forums I'm affraid.

You can expect this (good!) thread to undergo the same fate of mine: That of being deleted in the name of Drug-discussion censorship. My Topic "Trip Reports: Psychedelic Experiences shared" was removed eventhough I had previously, over a year ago, made a deal with The Moderators and Admins here that I wouldn't deliberately Stimulate people to do Psychedelic drugs (Which is certainly not my intention and has never been) as long as they would tolerate my deviant view on this subject.

They allowed the discussion to exist, because I argumented well that the freedom to express alternating views was morally surpressed by the morals of Admins and Mods. They seem to have understood and allowed it and it has since grown to be one of the oldest, still going, topic with almost the most posts in it.

Yet without any excuse it was recently removed and the only explanation I got was from an Admin saying this in a PM:
Trip Reports thread

This is a courtesy note to let you know that your thread on trip reports has been removed. The decision has nothing to do with you personally; we have returned to our former policy of allowing drug discussion only when it is relevant to dreaming.

Thank you.

nice words for such bad news, but it doesn't make it any less sour.

I think I've kinda had it with this forum:
-Everyday the meaningfull topics disappear under a thick layer of "Need help with WILD"-like topics and other useless qestions that have allready 5 topics devoted to them. And the mods don't see this as a problem appearantly.

-And it seems like I am not free to express my opinion and share valuable experiences on sensative subjects since it is different than the opinions that the (conservative, intolerant) Admins of this forum share about these sensative subjects.

It's back to the "The religion of the King is the Religion of the people"-policy again where you're not allowed to discuss, let alone praise and share information about subjects that THEY find immoral based on "what everybody sais about it".

Well maybe it's about time I start raising my own forum together with some other, openminded, serious dreamers. A simple and small one that keeps out narrowminded people who only come to argue everything, dictate their moral views on everyone and non-serious dreamers that fill this forum up with a pile of crap, all similair topics.

I'll check these forums out for a while and if our freedom to discuss certain sensative subjects gets even more limited I'm outa here.

I'm just going to follow MLKs advice, they only way to change bad laws is to break them.

I don't like harmful drugs. Plain and Simple...i'm against them.

Neither do I Oneironaught Jeff. And I wasn't discussing harmfull drugs.
But indeed dodo: This will become a children's forum where serious, sensative subjects will be avoided, no matter how innocent and beneficial to dreaming they may be.

It has proven to be senseless to bring the admins who side this decision into serious reconsideration about their Judgement of Psychedelic drugs. They have a pre-fixed, false, image of it that is too thoroughly anchored in their minds and they can just NO WAY see how Natural shamanic psychedelics are a wonderfull thing that belong right under the same umbrella as Religion, Lucid Dreaming, Meditation and The visions of all prophets known to man; Spirituality.

PS: I find it utterly unpersonal and cowardly that the mods/admins who made the actual decision to delete my Topic haven't clearified their decision themselves, but let other, more civilised mods and admins bring us the bad news and clearify it for them.

The word Psychedelic or drug invokes a dirty feeling, a disgust and gets associated with Psychosis, Delusions, Junkies and false happyness in many people who have never touched drugs; I know this by looking back at the time I never did drugs and was a stranger to the topic when 2 Police officers came to my elementary school and took over the class from our teacher to "teach" us kids about drugs. They showed a video of drugs and it showed people smoking weed alongside a very conservative, false stream of spoken information on it. The sight of these people smoking Cannabis made me feel uncomfortable and disgusted about these people and their Cannabis and Hash.

Later in life 2 of my best friends who allready smoked Cannabis made me grow more accustomed to it and tolerant to those who liked to smoke allthough I still didn't feel too comfortable about it. One day my Curiosity grew as my pre-fixed disgust image of the whole "drug"-thing decreased and when I decided I wanted to smoke Marijuana for the first time ( I was 18 ) and in an instant this far-from-reality-image of "drugs" was totally smashed right away. Maybe they should ban the human brain for it's pineal gland secretes DMT and make brains illegal to possess or use.

And now I'm off to bed. I'm gunna read some Castaneda, then close my eyes and have a massive DMT tryp; They more often call it Dreaming. You all just LOVE dreaming around here don't you? Bunch of junkies!

If I was a parent, than I will present a psychedelic drug to my child myself, when I think the child is ready. I will teach the child how and when to use it, and explain to the child all the dangers and mistakes that can happen.
This way the child will both be safe, and will learn, and have an amzing experience.

Wow. How sad.

Originally Posted by Howie

Wow. How sad.

This isn't bad. Although my parents waited until I experimented on my own and until I was 16, then they allowed me to smoke cannabis regularly with them and occasionaly use other psychedelics (sometimes with them). It's better to be in the safety of your own home tripping, with your parents allowing it, than to be out and about, maybe getting into trouble. The best trips of my life were with my parents.

I did abuse drugs a lot when I was younger, but that was not their fault. They were only doing the right thing, and they were not aware of the extent of my abuse, trying to stop me would have been worse. Other kids whose parents wouldn't allow it, always have to sneak it, and are hardly ever home because of paranoia + the fact they were always in trouble with the law. I also seemed to do better in school than people who weren't allowed by their parents.

Wow. How sad.

Said a self proclaimed adrenalin junkie. Sad indeed.