Thread: Damn Skeptics......

Sorry but this site is for people who are interested in lucid dreaming. All that "beyond" stuff is only bootstrapped by proxy. And I don't see too many people here trying to disprove - or argue - the fact or fiction of lucid dreaming.

There's a difference between dreaming and mysticism.

Originally Posted by awakened_mind

Why ARE there even skeptics on this site. This site was created so those who believe in lucid dreaming and even beyond could talk about there convincing experiences. No one posts there experiences and expects all of you damn skeptics to prove us all wrong. You can either join in on your opinions, or i can shut the fuck up and read. I don't mind when skeptics put up a good arguement, but there is no need for the bashing, which is STATED IN THE RULES. No one wants to hear your bitching about how we are wrong and full of it. We want to chat, like mature people.

I agree.

Sorry but this site is for people who are interested in lucid dreaming. All that "beyond" stuff is only bootstrapped by proxy. And I don't see too many people here trying to disprove - or argue - the fact or fiction of lucid dreaming.

There's a difference between dreaming and mysticism.

Here OBEs, dream precognition, sharing dreams, and other freaky paranormal things can be discussed. Note that this particular forum is ONLY for members who BELIEVE in the aforementioned topics.

This may be an LD site but each area has it's own thing, it's not just LD. The part mainly above beyond dreaming is mostly for LDing. Just like off topic or as we call it the lounge. People just don't understand the rules of each forum and decide to play the opposite role because they can't allow others to have a difference of opinion because it's not the same as their opinion, plain and simple.

owned.

Originally Posted by awakened_mind

Why ARE there even skeptics on this site. This site was created so those who believe in lucid dreaming and even beyond could talk about there convincing experiences. No one posts there experiences and expects all of you damn skeptics to prove us all wrong. You can either join in on your opinions, or i can shut the fuck up and read. I don't mind when skeptics put up a good arguement, but there is no need for the bashing, which is STATED IN THE RULES. No one wants to hear your bitching about how we are wrong and full of it. We want to chat, like mature people.

How much of a moron are you? Look up the definition of skepticism and come back when you realize what a tool you are.

Originally Posted by icedawg

'Beyond Dreaming' was not created for debate, but rather, it exists for members who believe in the sort of topics that fit into its scope (such as OBEs, dream precognition, astral projection, etc.) to have peaceful discussions amongst themselves. I understand many of us don't believe in the material that fits within that forum (myself included) but enough people do that we have given them their own forum to discuss it. For those who doubt and would prefer debate the truth behind such phenomenon, I would suggest using other forums (such as 'Extended Discussion'), since, quite frankly, you're not discussing anything "beyond dreaming" but rather using science and natural laws instead.

There you all have it. So if you want to denounce anything, take it to Extended Discussion like the former owner said.

For those who doubt and would prefer debate the truth behind such phenomenon, I would suggest using other forums (such as 'Extended Discussion'), since, quite frankly, you're not discussing anything "beyond dreaming" but rather using science and natural laws instead.

In other words, THIS topic should be in 'Extended Discussion'.

Actually, this topic probably belongs in The Lounge.

I was thinking senseless banter.

I was thinking the recycle bin.

i was thinking about how awakened mind was talking about how skeptics come here and bash and blah blah and they shouldnt, but what he is doing in his post?? nothing but bashing....

You guys should all get over yourselfs he put this here so that way he can make a point that applies to people in the "Beyond dreaming" section.

I think skeptics should have the right to talk about there reasoning in this forum as well, if you beleive in it so much, why do skeptics bother you?

I do not have a problem with it myself, but it's the prove it threads I do have a problem with. I can't even control my own dreaming process considering the amount of stuff I have happen. I do not think we should be forced to prove anything, but it's one reason I do not claim for a fact something happen only that something I do not understand happen and ask for views. It's just if those take over. I also didn't like to much trying to lump us into one group over the other. Even when I believe I still hold a little bit of it in me because I do not fully understand.

Do you not believe something someones ever said? Your a skeptic. Sorry. =)
But uh, anyway, if it is in the beyond dreaming section I don't tend to say how ridiculous people sound...any other section is fair game. If you post in general lucid discussion about how you met a vampire and ate some blood cake, and it isn't a lucid dream, I'm going to call you out on it. I will browse and point out things like, ah weird, or tel me more, or interesting. But I don't tend to go into long explanations about all the evidence there is that they are wrong unless it is a forum other than this one, beyond dreaming. Other forums have the same stigma as this one, and unless someone is trying to egg rational people on, I don't stick my head in. So...don't egg us on, like your doing right now.

Originally Posted by AHiddenSaint

I do not think we should be forced to prove anything...

Yes, I agree. Technology and science function much more smoothly that way.

Originally Posted by LucidDreamGod

I think skeptics should have the right to talk about there reasoning in this forum as well, if you beleive in it so much, why do skeptics bother you?

I have never been 100% certain about anything in my life, EVER(except my love for my now dead dog)! and i got believing in this stuff more then anything (well almost), and skeptics come along. So yeah for soemthing i figured was such a sure thing i'm now left in wondering if it's true, or if it's fake but i'm too nieve to see past my own wantings if that makes any sense.

Originally Posted by LucidFlanders

So yeah for soemthing i figured was such a sure thing i'm now left in wondering if it's true

And that's a bad thing?

Originally Posted by Mark75

And that's a bad thing?

It can be, if you think about it too much.

I have my beliefs challenged all the time. And you know what?... I welcome it. I've never so fiercely clung to a belief that I couldn't accept evidence to the contrary. The terms "learning" and "broadening your horizon" come to mind.

Originally Posted by skysaw

I have my beliefs challenged all the time. And you know what?... I welcome it. I've never so fiercely clung to a belief that I couldn't accept evidence to the contrary. The terms "learning" and "broadening your horizon" come to mind.

To me, being a skeptic isn't ignoring facts. Being skeptical is about not trying to invent evidence or drawing conclusions based on huge leaps of logic, often in spite of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

In other words, a skeptic is some one who plays the odds and pays attention to the current body knowledge and evidence.

Do people really think they can prove/disprove something via a BBS/Forum etc? Why bother? You can go back and forth all day long only to end up in the same spot.

I think skepticism is good and so is belief.

I consider myself a reasonable skeptic, but the rules on this are clear. The beyond forum isn't meant for debates of skepticism. These discussions are about sharing believed ideas, be them scientifically substantiated or not. It doesn't really matter either way.

This is supposed to be a "sanctuary" of sorts, where people who believe in these things can freely discuss such beliefs without having to prove it, first and foremost. We need a place like this, a place where philosophical and hypothetical ideas can be freely discussed as ideas, not necessarily truths.

And even if some subjects in here are being discussed as truths, nevertheless, this place was specifically designed for those who already believe. Icedawg did this on purpose. Topics in this forum are often stunted because skeptics poke their nose in and hi-jack the thread, in turn, making it into yet another "there is no proof" discussion. Don't get me wrong, those sorts of topics have their place, but it isn't here.

Being a believer in the topic you wish to post in, in this specific forum, is a prerequisite...and for good reason. The ideas in here are meant to develop and flourish, regardless if they are complete fantasy. It doesn't matter. So for those who come across a subject *in here* that they don't believe, move one because being skeptical is being off topic, and violating forum rules and regulations at that.

If you really feel the need to say something, make a separate topic in the extended discussion forum (or something) with a link to the topic and/or quote that invoked this desire to debate it.

[edit]In fact, after glancing over the topics in this forum, half of them shouldn't even be here. Those that concern the validity fo a certain phenomenon should be somewhere else completely. The moderation of this forum needs to be much more strict. All of the aforementioned topics should be moved. And on top of that, those who post such topics should have that topic moved, and the posts of those who invade legit "beyond belief" topics just to express their skepticism should be deleted, and perhaps be accompanied with a warning.

Trying to prove anything online is like trying to run a special olympics

Originally Posted by awakened_mind

Why ARE there even skeptics on this site. This site was created so those who believe in lucid dreaming and even beyond could talk about there convincing experiences. No one posts there experiences and expects all of you damn skeptics to prove us all wrong. You can either join in on your opinions, or i can shut the fuck up and read. I don't mind when skeptics put up a good argument, but there is no need for the bashing, which is STATED IN THE RULES. No one wants to hear your bitching about how we are wrong and full of it. We want to chat, like mature people.

Well said. I've wondered why everyone breaks the rules of the Beyond Dreaming forum.

Even though awakened_minds topic doesn't necessarily belong in the Beyond Dreaming thread, the point of the topic is to get through to all the skeptics searching for posts to bash on the Beyond Dreaming thread, and everyone else who spends time here. If it were somewhere else, not as many people would see it, because not everyone who posts on the Beyond Dreaming thread looks in the Lounge or Extended Discussion.