Freedom of speec--, Oops.

**Original Poster** · 09-20-2007 08:36 PM

I like how Um thinks that the heroic efforts by our armed forces during WW2 excuses the criminals activity of the Police today. Listen to the founding fathers, Um, they said dissent is necessary to maintain this country in a state of liberty and equality. Dissenters have maintained this country's equilibrium since the beginning, and without them in the 1890s forming workers unions companies would practically have slave labor. If it weren't for them in the 1960s America may have very well swung into fascism as everybody had feared. Without them NOW we're going to continue to watch our elections manipulated, tragedies covered up and given fake stories, and our tax dollars going to death and destruction.

I called the cops criminal because they are breaking people's rights and slowly taking away people's dignity. We are slowly being run by a police state as free speech becomes "free speech zones" and as they escalate situations far beyond necessary means to maintain control.

And alloted time is bullshit. He had a question, he should be able to relate background info, ask a question and hear an answer. What world are we living in where the politicians get two hours and the citizens are limited to 10 seconds? The worst of it is if it was just about breaking time cutting his mic off would have been sufficient. The fact is the cops were acting pre-emptively before he even showed a single sign of disturbing the Peace. They were already there before even seeing his reaction to a cut off mic. If he had refused to leave the microphone stand on the basis that he deserved to be heard out (which I would still find justified) I could understand escorting him out of the building.

But they decided to be trigger happy and go in there... pretty much directly after the mention of Skull and Bones.

I wish I could be braver in protests and I always tell myself next time the police come to take away our rights and dignity I'm just going to be steadfast, non-violent, not resistant, but also in complete refusal to comply. Unfortunately I'm human, just like this guy, and if I really were brave enough to be arrested I'd probably be freaking out.

**Universal Mind** · 09-20-2007 08:42 PM

Originally Posted by Omnius Deus

I like how Um thinks that the heroic efforts by our armed forces during WW2 excuses the criminals activity of the Police today.

You really need to start reading my posts more carefully or else being more honest about what you know I said. You just micharacterized my words yet again. Why do you do that? You also keep giving responses that show you refuse to take into account points I have made repeatedly. If you are not going to read my posts, then please don't respond to them.

**Xaqaria** · 09-20-2007 11:07 PM

People keep saying that he's hogging the mic and thats why he's asked to leave but judging by the video, the first police officer asks him to stop no more than 30 seconds after he began. 30 seconds is not exactly hogging the mic, and his question was never answered.

Also as for people saying he isn't following the rules of the public forum by asking questions without giving Kerry a chance to answer, it has been my experience that in those situations you get one chance to ask questions and once the speaker answers you don't get to ask another one, so it is likely he was trying to get all his questions in during his turn to talk.

Regardless, he was arrested and then detained without cause (as far as I know, being a dick is not grounds for arrest).

**Harrycombs** · 09-20-2007 11:29 PM

That guy was acting like an idiot. And I agree with Universal that the cops could of handled it better, but that guy was just obnoxious. Also, the secret societys stuff is just stupid. It doesn't matter that they were both in Skull and Bones. The two party system is terrible and all, but the guy got what he deserved.

**Michael** · 09-20-2007 11:42 PM

Originally Posted by Xaqaria

People keep saying that he's hogging the mic and thats why he's asked to leave but judging by the video, the first police officer asks him to stop no more than 30 seconds after he began. 30 seconds is not exactly hogging the mic, and his question was never answered.

Also as for people saying he isn't following the rules of the public forum by asking questions without giving Kerry a chance to answer, it has been my experience that in those situations you get one chance to ask questions and once the speaker answers you don't get to ask another one, so it is likely he was trying to get all his questions in during his turn to talk.

Regardless, he was arrested and then detained without cause (as far as I know, being a dick is not grounds for arrest).

I have always hated everything you have to say, and think you are an extreme liberal hippy. Perhaps you're too open minded. Just thought I'd express my freedom of speech.

and his question was never answered because he answered them with his own opinions lol. and it wasnt really a public forum, that's just what they want you to think. He was disturbing the peace and resisting arrest/detainment, thats grounds for arrest.