Thread: "The US Does Not Torture"

It attacks their psyche in ways they can never recover. Innocent people. Lot's and lot's of innocent people.

Originally Posted by Alric

The obvious flaw with that is that we are talking about terrorist and al qaeda and not Iran.

Again, you fail to grasp the weight of the situation. Iran is the root and the breeding ground of terrorism, terrorists and Islamo-radicalism. Iran is - and always have been - the true target of our efforts. If you can help surround the hotbed of evil with free nations then you build a condition where Iran's closest neighbors are more willing and capable of standing up to Iran. I repeat: Iran IS the root of all this mess.

Iran is ruled by a ruthless dictator who very vocally expresses his desires and intention to destroy all of the "infidel" world. Don't listen to the rhetoric he spews to rest of the world. To understand his true motives and plans, you must listen to what he tells his own people.

Except that Iran hasn't been our target untill recently. Though that is neither here nor there. And you still havn't adressed how Iran and the terrorists are the same. Likely because we all know they are not. You basicly repeated what you said before than Iran is full the terrorists which I had already agreed with. That hardly means all terrorists are fighting for Iran however.

From Oneironaught
Iran is ruled by a ruthless dictator who very vocally expresses his desires and intention to destroy all of the "infidel" world. Don't listen to the rhetoric he spews to rest of the world. To understand his true motives and plans, you must listen to what he tells his own people.

Is Iran really the source of most of the world's terrorism? I haven't heard anything so extreme. They do fund some militant groups, but so does the U.S. Iran's government is Shiite, Al Qaeda is Sunni(In a theocracy like Iran, that matters). What terrorist group would could they use to destroy Western Civilization? Are they too maniacal to realize that Israel would nuke them in retaliation?

Why does one government or another keep getting painted as a gang of megalomaniacs with the singular, suicidal objective of destroying the world?

I'm not in any way suggesting that all terrorist groups are working together. What I'm saying is that they adhere to the philosophy that "the enemy is my enemy is my friend." While it's true that even they have qualms between themselves but they do see eye to eye that we are a major hurdle to each of them. So they will exploit each other on superficial levels to try to destroy us. Then, they will resume their blood lust against each other. Business as usual. Terrorist organisations are opportunists. They exploit any weakness they can. They also happen to be masters at using our greatest weakness against us: our own media. Our enemies are masterful propagandists and we're just dumb enough to fall right into the trap. Again, the whole bleeding-heart issue comes to mind. Damn Liberals...

Originally Posted by Alric

Except that Iran hasn't been our target until recently.

That's simply not true. They may not have been explicitly called out on official terms but they are, always have been, and will continue to be the primary target. What has you confused is the fact that they too dangerous to attack directly because they are just the kind of rabid dogs that wouldn't think twice about using a nuke. Sometimes you've got to tickle the foot to get the face near enough to slap.

You seemed confused by that though. Just because they are friends with each other doesn't mean they think exactly the same. Which was the entire point, you claiming all terrorist want to destroy us because we are "infidels". No thats just one group of them.

Originally Posted by Alric

You seemed confused by that though.

Nope, not at all.

Just because they are friends with each other...

Didn't I just say point out that they are NOT necessarily friends or working together? Yes, yes I did.

...doesn't mean they think exactly the same.

And where did I say that they all think alike? Nowhere.

Which was the entire point, you claiming all terrorist want to destroy us because we are "infidels".

And where, pray tell, did I say that? Nowhere, that's where. I said that Iran claims that stance. And I also pointed out that Iran is the biggest threat (to the world, by the way). Not only are they hell-bent on destroying the entire "Infidel" world, but they are aiding (financially, militarily, and by proxy (remember, terrorists are opportunists)) other terrorists factions that have the same idea of outsiders being the devil that must be destroyed. Iran is such a problem also because they are an entire country being fed this hatred and encouragements to kill outsiders.

You've obviously never seen the "kill Infidels" and suicide bombing CARTOONS that air in Iran to Iranian CHILDREN. You obviously aren't aware of the songs the Iranian children are taught. You obviously aren't aware of the things in their textbooks. That's a hell of a lot of things about their culture that you obviously are not aware of. I know damn well that you are not aware of them or you'd change your tune real quickly. I have seen some of their cartoons, I've seen the "kill Americans" interviews with Iranian kids, I've heard the lyrics to some of the songs the kids are taught in school, I have seen the speeches - subtitled by extremely reliable sources. I have seen the hatred state-sponsored rhetoric spewed forth by the likes of Ahmadinezhad.

I'm not just pulling this stuff out of my ass: I've seen and heard it with my own eyes and ears. Don't try to tell me I don't know what I'm talking about because you are sorely mistaking.