Thread: Why Terrorism Exists

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Yeah. I wish we were hunting Bin Laden, too.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

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Lol. So terrorism exists because of Bin Laden?

Originally Posted by R.D.735

Yeah. I wish we were hunting Bin Laden, too.

Invading Pakistan is not such a good idea right now. Obaman didn't realize that when he made the comment that wrecked his campaign.

Originally Posted by Michael

Lol. So terrorism exists because of Bin Laden?

No, he is not responsible for any of it. Neither is his organization. And their excuses for it are theirs and theirs only.

You're right, the video explains who is responsible for it. The people that provoked terrorists taking hostages were those asshole that installed the Shah. Just the same the people that provoked 9/11 were those assholes bombing and occupying countries in order to control oil.

Originally Posted by Omnius Deus

You're right, the video explains who is responsible for it. The people that provoked terrorists taking hostages were those asshole that installed the Shah. Just the same the people that provoked 9/11 were those assholes bombing and occupying countries in order to control oil.

In the way that an anger management case redneck on steroids is "provoked" to break both of a guy's arms and leave him unconscious because the guy looked at him.

But more like the way an out of control rapist is "provoked" to shoot a cop when the cop was arresting him in his home for serial rape.

Be sure you read the link. I am wondering why you want to have the same argument twice.

By the way, do you believe that the terrorism is justified? You have yet to condemn the terrorists. You have not even put the first spec of responsiblity on them for the actions they decide to engage in. Where is your passion against what they do? Do you have any?

I may be answering for him, but anyways.

I am going to turn it back around on you.

Do you think that the US has done no wrong or had no role in unrightfully provking and meddling in the affairs of other nations?

You cannot use the Sean Hannity analogy of "Person to Person" when it is nation to nation. It's a lot more complicated than an obvious criminal being prosecuted in a local setting.

Nobody here thinks what the terrorists have done is justified or right at all. The most anyone will go is to point out their motives for what they do and be willing to admit that we made some poor choices, some wrong choices that lead to such an event taking place. The logical step is to look at what we have done in the past that provoked terrorist and look as to how we can prevent it, because most of the time the reason we did it was stupid and really had no interest to our national defense or the interest of the American people.

Your solution for terrorism seems to be fueling the fire for more terrorism. So do you think the US is without blame? Because you seem to, by all the analogies you portray.

We have definitely royally pissed off terrorists. There is no question about it. But they were already royally pissed at us. Cops royally piss off gang leaders when they take control of the gang's neighborhood. Gang members might lash out against the cops, whom they already hated in the first place, and the innocents in the neighborhood and say it is because the cops were on their "turf" and "provoked" them. That does not mean the cops did anything unjustifiable, it does not mean that the cops did not do what had to be done, and it does not mean that the cops should have left the gang alone to do whatever evil it felt like doing.

The same is the case with the United States. No matter how much you can connect our actions to increased anger of terrorists, the truth is that our actions are justified. Our actions are necessary, overall. Just like with cops, sometimes moves we make turn out to be mistakes. Allying with the Hussein regime against Iran was definitely a mistake, for example. But we are dealing with gangs that seek to die to kill you in the name of Allah and Paradise. Yes, you. Literally you. That is a fact. They want to end your life. Even complete U.S. isolationism would never change that. They believe that "infidels" are to be killed because that is in fact what a literal interpretation of the Koran says. You can read some of the threads in the Religion forum for verification of that. Islamofascists are a rotten disease on this planet. The world is going to have to deal with them. There is no way around it. People who have their beliefs, mentalities, and lacks of conscience will not go into some love one another state of Utopia just because they don't have Western presence in their "holy land". It does not work that way.

You asked if the U.S. has done anything "wrong". In terms of mistakes, absolutely. In terms of high level acts of clear evil, yes also, but not in our Middle East policies of the last few decades. The specific ways the leaders handled the Vietnam situation looks pretty bad and possibly atrociously evil in certain areas, but the fighting of the Cold War itself was very necessary. As for Islamofascism, we are dealing with an insanely dangerous and extremely difficult puzzle. Mistakes will be made, but the overall goal is profoundly justifiable. We are not dealing with an easy situation.

The U.S. did all kinds of horrible things in the area of foreign policy before the industrial revolution. The allowance of the African slave trade and the taking over of land purely for U.S. expansion are at the tip top of the list. The U.S. was much more of a primitive savage country back then. In recent years, and even at this very moment, we are involved in a war on drugs that seems to very possibly have corruption written all over it, domestically and internationally. It will probably some day be seen as a holocaust. I still question how sinister the government's intentions in it are, but it does a poor job in a smell test. When Pablo Escobar got so rich off the illegal (and therefore highly expensive) cocaine trade, he got so powerful he practically took over Columbia. Legalizing cocaine in the United States would have crippled Escobar in a hurry, just like it would have crippled everybody of his kind. Yet we continued the war instead. That is an area where the U.S. is doing what I think is terrible and very counterproductive, but the overall intentions might possibly be good, though I doubt it is entirely true. I say that because I believe that the war on drugs is an awful idea. But I honestly believe that the war on terror is necessary.

Jaasum, do you ever speak with as much passion against Islamofascists as you do against the United States? I know you mentioned that you don't agree with what they do. But do you ever get into majorly passionate condemnation of them for entire paragraphs or long posts? I ask the same of everybody else who has been recurringly condemning U.S. policy concerning the Middle East. Just how passsionately against the fundamentalist Muslim terrorists' actions are you? I have not seen strong passion yet.

It's the first I've heard of Ron Paul, not being an American. But it's refreshing to know that SOMEBODY is looking at the real problems.
America need some serious housecleaning if they want to keep themselves grounded and stable for the future.

Just a side note from a non-american..