Thread: The day the sun rose twice

"My god, it's beautiful." "," No," It's terrible." "I Knew the world would never be the same again." -Dorthy Mckibben

I.I. Rabi:
"I realized what this meant for the future of humanity. Up until then, humanity was, after all, a limited factor in the evolution and process of nature. The vast oceans, lakes and rivers, the atmosphere, were not very much effected by the existence of mankind. The new powers represented a threat not only to mankind but to all forms of life: The seas and the air. One could foresee that nothing was immune from the tremendous powers of these new forces.
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On Monday, July 16, 1945, at 5:29:45 A.M., mountain War Time, the bomb ignited. The explosion created a brilliant flash that was seen in three states. It lit up the sky like the sun, throwing out a multicolored cloud that surged 38,000 feet into the atmosphere within about seven minutes.
The heat at the center of the blast approximated that at the center of the sun, and the light created equaled almost twenty suns!
The blast of heat was felt ten miles away.
The crater was a half mile across, fusing the sand into glass.
Everything living within the radius of a mile was annihilated - plants, animals, everything. The stench of death lingered about the area for three weeks.

This excerpt taken from a book I just completed reading: The day The Sun Rose Twice - Ferenc Morton Szasz

Thoughts on Nuclear - weapons, arsenals, power, etc, etc.

I am become death, destroyer of worlds.

There is an area here in Ottawa Ontario called the Mer Bleu. A swampy land with a few houses. You're not allowed to pick raspberries there. But they don't tell you why.

It's because in the 50's the states was testing tactical nukes there. There are a few houses in that area that are owned by the the government (they rent them), and they jack the rent up every year so that nobody can afford to live there more than a few years.

They don't want anyone living there there that long because it's not a healthy place to be.

Originally Posted by The Cusp

I am become death, destroyer of worlds.

Indeed, From the Bhagavad Gita

Originally Posted by The Cusp

There is an area here in Ottawa Ontario called the Mer Bleu. A swampy land with a few houses. You're not allowed to pick raspberries there. But they don't tell you why.

It's because in the 50's the states was testing tactical nukes there. There are a few houses in that area that are owned by the the government (they rent them), and they jack the rent up every year so that nobody can afford to live there more than a few years.

They don't want anyone living there there that long because it's not a healthy place to be.

Some of the information I have read in this book and others scare me. What they do NOT tell us really scares me.

Was it a necessary evil?

When they dropped the first bomb, they didn't know for sure if there would or wouldn't be a nuclear chain reaction that would destroy the whole world.

That's nice, isn't it?

Nuclear weapons, they were inevitable, whether you like it or not... When you think about it, we really got the best possible scenario. The Allies develloped the atomic bomb before the axis during WW2 and we managed to avoid turning the Cold War hot. Nuclear weapons have only ever been used twice in anger, a move which probably saved more lives than the opposite. I just hope our luck keeps up...

Originally Posted by The Cusp

There is an area here in Ottawa Ontario called the Mer Bleu. A swampy land with a few houses. You're not allowed to pick raspberries there. But they don't tell you why.

It's because in the 50's the states was testing tactical nukes there. There are a few houses in that area that are owned by the the government (they rent them), and they jack the rent up every year so that nobody can afford to live there more than a few years.

They don't want anyone living there there that long because it's not a healthy place to be.

You have got to be kidding me. Does it really make much sense to you that the US would conduct nuclear tests right next to Canada's capital? Think about it, there would be craters, deadly radiation, reports of something; the place would be worse than Chernobyl. Mer Bleu is in a freaking parc, you can go there for a bike ride if you want, something you can't really do at the Nevada test range...

Tactical nukes, ****** Small ones.

The information is available under the freedom of information act. Look it up.

There is a reason you're not allowed to pick the raspberries.


This from wikipedia...

"The value of this unique wetland was not always recognized. During World War II, the Royal Canadian Air Force used this area for bombing practice. Now, this area has been designated as a Wetland of International Significance under the Ramsar Convention since October 1995."

OK smart guy, bombing practise during WW2, makes sense; nuclear weapons, no go.

Lets examine the difficulties with this situation, shall we?


Tactical nukes were created in the utmost secrecy during the late 50s and put into service in the 60s. Does it make any sense that the States would use a marsh next to one of Canada's most populated cities to do nuclear testing? No, that would create endless political problems and they have some perfectly good spots in their own country (the massive, secluded Nevada desert for one) where the logistics would be much simpler.

The smallest tactical nukes still have a yield of about 10 tons of TNT. Do you have any idea how powerful that is? It would shatter windows miles away and would make a boom that would burst the ear drums of everyone in the city. Not to mention the accompanying earth tremors and a flash of light what would outshine the sun. 22 000 lbs of TNT leaves a pretty big crater too... Small nukes or not, they're still more powerful than any conventional bomb.

In the 50s and early 60s, nuclear tests were atmospheric, so that raises the question of fallout. Now fallout doesn't stay in a zone limited to ground zero, it moves with the wind. You can bet that if nuclear testing was conducted in Ottawa (i.e. multiple explosions), all land between Toronto and Montreal would be irradiated to deadly levels.


I'll go on if you want me to, but come on, think logically, what you are saying is totally unfeasible. What next, the Parliement's roof is green because it was zapped by martians ?

It must be nice not to have to do any work or research because you can deduce everything with logic. You're arguments aren't logical, they're arrogant. Besides, when has anything the government done ever been logical?

Fill out the forms and make a request for the information. You can reason it out all you like, but if you're not willing to even look, that's your problem.

And this is the last time I bother responding to your ignorant posts.

Edit: I did some asking around today on the Mer Bleu area. The government expropriated all the land and houses in the 50's. They rent the remaining houses that haven't been torn down, and the people who stay there aren't allowed to stay for more than three years. They're not even allowed to drink the water from their own taps! Nor are they allowed to plant gardens. The NCC has to change the water filters in these houses every two months! There are craters everywhere, but being swamp land, they've filled in somewhat over time. Everything was dead there for years, no wildlife of any sort.