Thread: December 21st, 2012 Museum of Art/Information

Why argue about this? We're only five years away from it, it's either going to be proven or disproven very soon.

I'm part of the 27 club myself.

Originally Posted by Mystic7

Universal mind I got a suprise for you.

More transvestite porn pictures? My people at NASA have a surprise for you. The level of surprise depends on the vector of your approach toward Oz. Do you wish to proceed?

SolSkye, you mean...

Where does your seemingly vast understanding of their culture (surely enough to draw those conclusions) come from?

...this question?

No, I don't have a vast understanding of their culture, but that's off the point. You're expecting me to believe 2012 will be special just because they "said so", without telling me why it will be special or how they came up to that conclusion.

They thought by predicting the stars positions and seeing where things will be you could essentially see where you will be. Their pinpoint accuracy with the limited technology for their time is still astonishing to people.

Pinpoint of what? where? And how does that relate to 2012?

Name one astronomical event, running on a 26000 years cycle, which could bring forth a catastrophe. And don't bother with pointing out the precession of the equinoxes, unless there's some uber effect from it which I overlooked.

Terence McKenna talks about the I-ching, novelty theory, 2012 and the nature of time. Exerpt from 'The Rites of Spring'.

2012 & the Nature of Time Pt.1; Pt.2; Pt.3; Pt.4

Unfortunately right now i don't have time for 40 minutes of you tube, tomorrow I'll take a look at it. However, from what I understand novelty theory has nothing to do with the other 2012 theories, also, it incorporates pseudoscience and the 2012 date itself was chosen arbitrarily.

The only thing I'm expecting of you is, to admit you know nothing as to what will happen tomorrow, let alone 2012. Therefore, you need to look at all the possible theories and evidence with an open mind until they are exposed as fraudulent... Is it that hard to remain an open-minded skeptic? Take a science-fiction movie for example, do you need to ascribe to, understand, or believe all the theories presented in the movie before you watch and enjoy it? Why deal with reality any differently? It's only food for thought, nothing more...

It's not wise or in your best interest to sit there and immediately write something off as preposterous just because it doesn't fit into your current world model. No great change is every wrought from close-mindedness.

Especially considering you have no basis to simply write this off. If by some off-chance you did somehow have a grounded view, you would need to provide that view with some substance otherwise it inevitably amounts to jack. Just being doubtful doesn't cut it.

Throughout history, 2012 has been an date of interest reached independently by a multitude of cultures and people. Whether you believe an end of time scenario or not, this is not something just popping up now because the date is 5 years away, it's been around and talked about for 1000's of years. So give a little more respect to the topic and remain open-minded, would you?

Also, Let's be honest with ourselves here... No one is that busy where they can't afford to make 40 minutes available out of their day to listen to an informed man speak about something interesting. It's just that you don't want to make the time to listen because you don't find this topic that interesting. Which is fine, but don't sit here and feign how you'd like to but you're just sooo busy you can't take the time out of your schedule. I'm sure you did something equally if not more pointless with your time rather than simply choosing to sit there and listen to it. The fact that you feel yourself above making the time to listen to someone as articulate and intelligent as Terence McKenna is really insulting to his memory. All the interviews I post in here are gems, not something to be discounted and discarded with the morning newspaper.

If you can't give a topic respect or credence enough to leave unfounded bias' and subjection out of it then perhaps it's a good idea to not post about it at all?

And, for those that choose to make the time...
Here's a more in-depth interview...

Terence McKenna & the I-Ching Pt.1; Pt.2; Pt.3; Pt.4; Pt.5; Pt.6

The fact that you feel yourself above making the time to listen to someone as articulate and intelligent as Terence McKenna is really insulting to his memory

He said he'd watch it later. But either way, Terrence McKenna was a nut. He ate a lot of hallucinogenic mushrooms in the Amazon with his brother and some other people. His brother went insane. And from this comes all sorts of theories. While admittedly a good read, this is definitely another case of the flying spaghetti monster. Can't be disproven but certainly not enough substance to build a case. But putting all the flimsy theories aside, the Mayan calendar is amazing. It really is amazing how accurate it is. And also amazing that our modern calendar is to terrible by comparison.

A nut? He's much more well-known, accredited, respected, and knowledgeable than you'll ever be... that much is certain...

Nothing can be proved by anyone because the simple act of perception and observation by the subject taints the results making them biasedly based around someone's imperfect hypothesis. There are no infallible laws to this paradoxical universe. There are theories, with a substantial amount of evidence for or against them, but nothing can ever be proven beyond a reasonable doubt, either way. So, your "flying spaghetti monster" mindset should really be applied to all of reality, not just his views. Therefore just saying it "can't be disproven" and immediately writing it off doesn't really carry any weight, in my book. All of reality is one big collective hunch, anyway. You might as well allow for all possibilities or theories in your head, because one thing that is guaranteed to happen with all beliefs is; no matter how many people out there stand behind a given theory or belief, and no matter how much logic was used to get there, time always gets the best of that theory or belief proving it flat-out wrong in the end. That's why the mystery of life should be so humbling to all. You'll never reach a conclusion worthy of true belief. If you think so, you'll always eventually get knocked flat on your ass.

Also, who cares if he did psychedelics? That statement in itself stinks of this naive "Just say, no..." close-minded mentality about drugs that most people in westernized countries now hold. Contrary to popular belief, psychedelics don't turn you into social deviants. Not to mention, they probably even played an important role into our first experiences with self-awareness as early man. If anything, doing psychedelics will strip away your ego enough to see the current consumeristic cultural model for the farce that it is, and allow you to gain insight into the processes of life... *gasp* god forbid.. a thinking, questioning individual! Can't have that now, can we?

As far as I know that date is when the Earth completes a 26,000 year wobble. This means it will be the warmest part of the interglacial period we are in and hopefully after that we will start plummeting into a new ice age (over another 26,000 years). What that's got to do with the end of the world is anybody's guess, it's happened countless times in history already so why should the world end now? Yes it's a load of bollocks, but good for "hope" I guess. I would certainly like to beleive the world is going to end, this life sucks.

By the way; do we know how many people beleive in it? I'm just interested so I can watch them crash and burn so I know how popular it is and how many people will know what I'm on about if I mention it.

Originally Posted by Idolfan

As far as I know that date is when the Earth completes a 26,000 year wobble. This means it will be the warmest part of the interglacial period we are in and hopefully after that we will start plummeting into a new ice age (over another 26,000 years). What that's got to do with the end of the world is anybody's guess, it's happened countless times in history already so why should the world end now? Yes it's a load of bollocks, but good for "hope" I guess. I would certainly like to beleive the world is going to end, this life sucks.

By the way; do we know how many people beleive in it? I'm just interested so I can watch them crash and burn so I know how popular it is and how many people will know what I'm on about if I mention it.

OK. Enough with the world ending. No one said that here. Where are you coming up with that? If you took the time to read this, you would see no one said that.

Originally Posted by SolSkye

The only thing I'm expecting of you is, to admit you know nothing as to what will happen tomorrow, let alone 2012.

I irony is... too much. I'm not the one claiming to know what will happen, you're the ones saying 2012 will be special.

Therefore, you need to look at all the possible theories and evidence with an open mind until they are exposed as fraudulent... Is it that hard to remain an open-minded skeptic? Take a science-fiction movie for example, do you need to ascribe to, understand, or believe all the theories presented in the movie before you watch and enjoy it? Why deal with reality any differently? It's only food for thought, nothing more...

I read a quote somewhere that went along these lines: "It's important to keep an open mind, but not so open that your brain falls off."

It's not wise or in your best interest to sit there and immediately write something off as preposterous just because it doesn't fit into your current world model. No great change is every wrought from close-mindedness.

Main Entry: pre·pos·ter·ous
: contrary to nature, reason, or common sense

I re-read my last post and I didn't find any lie or fallacy. What did I write that is preposterous?

Especially considering you have no basis to simply write this off. If by some off-chance you did somehow have a grounded view, you would need to provide that view with some substance otherwise it inevitably amounts to jack. Just being doubtful doesn't cut it.

Next time read my post before replying, or at least do some study before subscribing to some belief. There's no knowledge of an astronomical event in 2012 that'll affect us, except for the solar max, but it's effects aren't exactly "earth-changing".

Throughout history, 2012 has been an date of interest reached independently by a multitude of cultures and people. Whether you believe an end of time scenario or not, this is not something just popping up now because the date is 5 years away, it's been around and talked about for 1000's of years. So give a little more respect to the topic and remain open-minded, would you?

Err... I think, though I could be wrong, all that comes from the precession of the equinoxes cycle.

Also, Let's be honest with ourselves here... No one is that busy where they can't afford to make 40 minutes available out of their day to listen to an informed man speak about something interesting. It's just that you don't want to make the time to listen because you don't find this topic that interesting. Which is fine, but don't sit here and feign how you'd like to but you're just sooo busy you can't take the time out of your schedule.

College exams are one week away now and I missed a lot of classes because of some complications. Busy enough?

I do not find this topic interesting but I'm willing to listen (even though I think McKenna more than necessary), once I have time.

I'm sure you did something equally if not more pointless with your time rather than simply choosing to sit there and listen to it. The fact that you feel yourself above making the time to listen to someone as articulate and intelligent as Terence McKenna is really insulting to his memory. All the interviews I post in here are gems, not something to be discounted and discarded with the morning newspaper.

Your ability to assume what people do with their time and to know what's best for everyone amazes me. Call Dr. Suresh, you're special.

If you can't give a topic respect or credence enough to leave unfounded bias' and subjection out of it then perhaps it's a good idea to not post about it at all?

We are at the dreamviews discussion forums, in the extended discussion section. Surely I have the right to write arguments with logic.

Did everything just taste purple for a second? I coulda sworn this thread was much better off in Senseless Banter.

UM Einstein use your imagination.

ET and the bathtub. Science of sleep. Waterhorse and the bathtub. Legend of the deep.

Bigfoot. LockNess. UFO hovering not making sense to the leftbrain. But still. You saw it for yourself. You remember.

what time is it what time is it now. WHAT TIME is it.

Terrifying tunnel vision of the left brain. Can't see what the crop circles mean. Can't hear the mystic river sound. Or read the golden compass decode it somehow.

Originally Posted by Scatterbrain

We are at the dreamviews discussion forums, in the extended discussion section. Surely I have the right to write arguments with logic.

I think you got it wrong... its....
We are at the dreamviews discussion forums, in the extended discussion section. Surely I have the right to write arguments with intuitive logic.

Isn't that what being lucid is truly about? ... being in your RIGHT mind (pardon the pun)

Afterall, last I checked this site isn't "the uninspired left-brained logical debate society forum extraodinaire" now, is it?

You have to always remember one thing...


...As, the Caterpillar said to Alice..."Mean what you say, and say what you mean... I do"


Mystic... Vide, Aude Tace

no longer will we be blind to what is. Or follow the sin of the world. The masses are soon to betray sin. And Ashamed shall you all be who are seduced to the illusion of it. For when purity harvest those that are pure. The weak shall perish. For there is those among us that have eyes to see, and a will to follow that prevail. Glory that awaits the pure. And shame followed by destruction awaits the wicked.

Universal Mind. Do you remember the horse with the swimming outfit with the space music? Followed by the nazi symbol? What picture stands in the background after andy escapes from prision and is found empty in his cell from the movie shawshank redemption? The night he escapes. Is it raining?

This will be made into a movie this year...along with 'The Grays' book he also wrote... coincidence...? I don't think so. synchronicity...? most definitely.

Whitley Strieber 2012: War For Souls Pt.1;Pt.2;Pt.3;Pt.4;Pt.5;Pt.6;Pt.7;Pt.8;Pt.9;Pt.10;Pt.11;Pt.12

Enjoy!

Originally Posted by Mystic7

Universal Mind. Do you remember the horse with the swimming outfit with the space music? Followed by the nazi symbol? What picture stands in the background after andy escapes from prision and is found empty in his cell from the movie shawshank redemption? The night he escapes. Is it raining?

Those people make entertaining movies. They're good people. They're all great Americans, but they don't know what the queers are doing to the soil.

I don't see the point of all the pictures but I like the first two!

Great finds Solskye! George Lucas (or Spieldbierg) will make a movie in 2010 called "2012: the war for souls" Don't have much info on it...though seems kind of self-explanatory.

Fantastic thread! I'm REALLY looking forward to 2012; and IF nothing happens, so what. Love and compassion are universal things that are ALWAYS important, no matter what year it is.
It is also critical that every human recognizes the importance of the individual - the labeling of people has to end.
Keep an open mind, believe whatever you want to believe; just don't force anyone to believe you.

I do have the feeling SOMETHING is going on. I just feel it, it's like the winds of change. Time will tell, whatever time is.

Ive seen a lot of different theories on what 2012 will mean, if it is a gigantic shift in conciousness it could be that the world will start to cool again and once again, everyone will fear global cooling instead of global warming

Originally Posted by Jeff777

Great finds Solskye! George Lucas (or Spieldbierg) will make a movie in 2010 called "2012: the war for souls" Don't have much info on it...though seems kind of self-explanatory.

Actually, in the interview Whitley mentions that the same team who did Transformers will do it. (aka. Michael Bay) I don't know how I feel about letting someone as mindless as Michael Bay deal with the topic of 2012. As for 'The Grays', Sony will do it but I don't know who will be directing.

To give you all a brief synopsis of the story of '2012: The War for Souls', I heard in the interview that the main character is a novelist writing about 2012 when he finds that he isn't writing a fiction story at all, and is in fact writing future history. He connects with himself in a different parallel earth doing the exact same thing, and finds himself channeling the story and is unable to stop writing. In this story, there are three earths that are colliding through the galactic center which happens to be at his house in Kansas.

One of the earths, is a utopian earth with problems mind you but not nearly as many as we have. They didn't have any world wars, despot leaders, nor did they have an overpopulation or environmental problem. Another earth, is an earth where humans don't exist because the dinosaurs didn't go extinct and developed a sentient intelligent race of reptiles paralleling our own. This earth is a cold and dark place and more on the lines of an evil earth because the reptiles themselves don't actually feel anything. The reptiles are aware of our earth and are curious of our ability to feel happiness and love and find that they can feed off the level of happiness of the souls they collect. So they decide to come through the rift in order to feed off of us. Our earth is smack-dab in the middle of this. Not quite good or bad, but more along the lines of a little bit of both. He finds himself having to team up with the other him in the more peaceful earth to stop these reptiles from coming into our reality.

Sounds pretty cool. I'll probably be picking up the book.