Thread: December 21st, 2012 Museum of Art/Information

Doomsday?

Utter bullshit.

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Originally Posted by Seismosaur

Doomsday?

Utter bullshit.

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Doomsday? You've sooo missed the entire point/meaning of this thread. Go back to the first post and read, when (and only when) you're educated enough about this thread...then feel free to post.

Dude chill out

Okay I've finished reading the first post.

My conclusion? Someone like to be esoteric and post images

Oh and...



1. Those are ice crystals
2. The experiments were invalidated and induplicable.


EDIT: Yep. Definately doomsday and scare tactics, Jeff.

Total bullshit.

Originally Posted by Seismosaur

Okay I've finished reading the first post.

My conclusion? Someone like to be esoteric and post images

Oh and...



1. Those are ice crystals
2. The experiments were invalidated and induplicable.

Uh, yeah. This was already stated, if you read the thread.

Originally Posted by Seismosaur

EDIT: Yep. Definately doomsday and scare tactics, Jeff.

Wrong again. Nowhere did Jeff say anything about doomsday, or is trying to scare us.

Maybe if you read the thread, you would know this.

Oh, wait.

I am, one post at a time. I have to mentaly shorten them because 80% is filler crap.

It's hard work. =3

Yeah, reading the posts before responding is usually a good idea.

Oh I get it now.

Jeff is obsessed w/ 2012... But definitely not because it's the end of the world in his mind!

Or maybe I just read this wrong?

So then what is this great event then? No one seems to want to point it out but dammit the Mayans predicted it!

Wait waht?

I don't think you read it at all, actually.

Jeff777 Original Post
"The world will not end. It will be transformed... Everything will change...Change is accelerating now, and it will continue to accelerate...If the people of the earth can get to this 2012 date in good shape

Read
Function:verb b: to learn from what one has seen or found in writing or printing

Do this. ^

The original post should tell you what you need to know.

Yea, that doesn't mean anything.

He forgot to:

1. Deifine change
2. Explain this acceleration
3. Elaborate on transformation

Sorry but you can't make an esoteric claim, not explain yourself, then shout "MAYANS AND HINDU'S SAYS SO!" and expect any kind of... Anything.

So no, he never said what his obsession was, Grod.

Fail.

Originally Posted by Seismosaur

Yea, that doesn't mean anything.

He forgot to:

1. Deifine change
2. Explain this acceleration
3. Elaborate on transformation

Sorry but you can't make an esoteric claim, not explain yourself, then shout "MAYANS AND HINDU'S SAYS SO!" and expect any kind of... Anything.

So no, he never said what his obsession was, Grod.

Fail.

Originally Posted by Jeff777

This thread is filled with awareness raising images/information that you might consider having a look at.

COMPLIMENTARY_NOTE: Allow this to play in the background as you scroll through the museum of 2012

Please stand by...for a rude awakening.

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Eye of Horus, the Egyptian Sun God

...don't recognize the eye? I'll give you a hint, You can spot it's symbol smacked on an egyptian pyramid right behind the head of America's first President. That symbol also happens to be woven into a tapestry hung in the vatican. Truth is stranger than fiction.

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" Dec. 21, 2006: Evidence is mounting: the next solar cycle is going to be a big one. Solar cycle 24, due to peak in 2010 or 2011 "looks like its going to be one of the most intense cycles since record-keeping began almost 400 years ago," says solar physicist David Hathaway" -NASA


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(The image below was taken Aug. 11, 1999 in England at exactly 11:11 a.m. GMT, showing the Sun in full corona.)

"The Mayans prophesied that from 1999 we have 13 years to realize the changes in our conscious attitude, to stray from the path of self-destruction and instead move onto a path that opens our consciousness to integrate us with all that exists.......The Mayans say that seven years after the start of Kat..n, so 1999, we would enter a time of darkness which would force us to confront our own conduct. The say that this is the time when mankind will enter 'The Sacred Hall of Mirrors', where we will look at ourselves and analyze our behaviors with ourselves, with others, with nature and with the planet in which we live. This will be a time in which all of humanity, by individual conscious decisions, decides to change and eliminate fear and lack of respect from all of our relationships. The Mayans prophesied that the start of this period would be marked by a solar eclipse on August 11, 1999, known to them as 13 Ahau, 8 Cauac. This also would coincide with an unprecedented planetary alignment, the 'Grand Cross' alignment. This would be the beginning of the last 13 years of the Kat..n period, the last opportunity for our civilization to realize the changes that are coming at the moment of our spiritual regeneration."

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Countdown to
December 21 2012, 11:11 A.M. GMT

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(Mayan Cropcircle)







Could this be you on 2012?




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(The photos below were taken by a man named Masaru Emoto, they exhibit before and after high def shots of water molecules, not snowflakes, jewelry or glass carvings...frozen water molecules The captions below the pictures show what thoughts/feelings Emoto was projecting before he froze the water molecules.)




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This exaggerated picture...might not be too far from the truth. Question is...will you stand up for what you know is right? Or continue to allow your rights to be stripped from you and allow a possible chip to be sown into your arm? Btw...the saying "It's for your own protection" doesn't hold much weight anymore.

Think it won't/can't happen to you? Click here.



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Excerpts from
Steep Uphill Climb to 2012:
Messages from the Mayan Milieu
© Copyright 2002 by Steven McFadden:

"Carlos Barrios was born into a Spanish family on El Altiplano, the highlands of Guatemala. His home was in Huehuetenango, also the dwelling place of the Maya Mam tribe. With other Maya and other indigenous tradition keepers, the Mam carry part of the old ways on Turtle Island (North America). They are keepers of time, authorities on remarkable calendars that are ancient, elegant and relevant. Mr. Barrios is a historian, an anthropologist and investigator. After studying with traditional elders for 25 years since the age of 19, he has also become a Mayan Ajq'ij, a ceremonial priest and spiritual guide, Eagle Clan. Years ago, along with his brother, Gerardo, Carlos initiated an investigation into the different Mayan calendars. He studied with many teachers. He says his brother Gerardo interviewed nearly 600 traditional Mayan elders to widen their scope of knowledge. Carlos Barrios shares:

"The world will not end. It will be transformed... Everything will change...Change is accelerating now, and it will continue to accelerate...If the people of the earth can get to this 2012 date in good shape, without having destroyed too much of the Earth, we will rise to a new, higher level. But to get there we must transform enormously powerful forces that seek to block the way...Humanity will continue, but in a different way. Material structures will change. From this we will have the opportunity to be more human...

"Our planet can be renewed or ravaged. Now is the time to awaken and take action...The prophesized changes are going to happen, but our attitude and actions determine how harsh or mild they are. This is a crucially important moment for humanity and for earth. Each person is important. If you have incarnated into this era, you have spiritual work to do balancing the planet...The greatest wisdom is in simplicity. Love, respect, tolerance, sharing, gratitude, forgiveness. It's not complex or elaborate. The real knowledge is free. It's encoded in your DNA. All you need is within you. Great teachers have said that from the beginning. Find you heart, and you will find your way.

"The Mayan elder (Mam) who lives all year in a solitary mountain cave, journeyed to speak at the most recent Mayan New Year ceremony in Guatemala. He delivered a simple, direct message calling for human beings to come together in support of life and light. The elder said there is hope if the people of the light can come together and unite in some way...We need to put our entire mind and heart into pursuing unity and fusion now..."

For more theories, click here.

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Ascension...




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THE HOW AND WHY OF THE MAYAN END DATE IN 2012 A.D.

by John Major Jenkins
(John Major Jenkins has done work for the Discovery Channel, and History Channel, to name a few)

¾ May 23rd, 1994

Originally published in the Dec-Jan '95 issue of Mountain Astrologer.

Why did the ancient Mayan or pre-Maya choose December 21st, 2012 A.D., as the end of their Long Count calendar? This article will cover some recent research. Scholars have known for decades that the 13-baktun cycle of the Mayan "Long Count" system of timekeeping was set to end precisely on a winter solstice, and that this system was put in place some 2300 years ago. This amazing fact - that ancient Mesoameri- can skywatchers were able to pinpoint a winter solstice far off into the future - has not been dealt with by Mayanists. And why did they choose the year 2012? One immediately gets the impression that there is a very strange mystery to be confronted here. I will be building upon a clue to this mystery reported by epigrapher Linda Schele in Maya Cosmos (1994). This article is the natural culmination of the research relating to the Mayan Long Count and the precession of the equinoxes that I explored in my recent book Tzolkin: Visionary Perspectives and Calendar Studies (Borderlands Science and Research Foundation, 1994).




How: Long Count and Seasonal Quarters

Long Count katun beginnings will conjunct sequential seasonal quarters every 1.7.0.0.0 days (194400 days). This is an easily tracked Long Count interval. Starting with the katun beginning of 650 B.C.:

Long Count Which Quarter? Year

6.5.0.0.0 Fall 650 B.C.

7.12.0.0.0 Winter 118 B.C.

8.19.0.0.0 Spring 416 A.D.

10.6.0.0.0 Summer 948 A.D.

11.13.0.0.0 Fall 1480 A.D.

13.0.0.0.0 Winter 2012 A.D.

Note that the last date is not only a katun beginning, but a baktun beginning as well. It is, indeed, the end date of 2012.6

The Long Count may have been officially inaugurated on a specific date in 355 B.C., as Edmonson suggests, but it must have been formulated, tried, tested, and proven before this date. This may well have taken centuries, and the process no doubt paralleled (and was perhaps instigated by) the discovery of precession. The Long Count system automatically accounts for precession in its ability to calculate future seasonal quarters - a property which shouldn't be underestimated.

Summary

This has been my attempt to fill a vacuum in Mayan Studies, an answer to the why and how of the end date of the 13-baktun cycle of the Mayan Long Count. The solution requires a shift in how we think about the astronomy of the Long Count end date. The strange fact that it occurs on a winter solstice immediately points us to possible astronomical reasons, but they are not obvious. We also shouldn't forget the often mentioned fact that the 13-baktun cycle of some 5125 years is roughly 1/5th of a precessional cycle. This in itself should have been suggestive of a deeper mystery very early on. Only with the recent identification of the astronomical nature of the Sacred Tree has the puzzle revealed its fullness. And once again we are amazed at the sophistication and vision of the ancient New World astronomers, the decendants of whom still count the days and watch the skies in the remote outbacks of Guatemala.

For the entire article, click here.

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(This may happen in 2012 too – picture source: www.occultopedia.com)

If you are a Hindu or a Mayan, this should be good news…

According to an article by David Hedges titled “Golden Age in 2012”, the golden age is expected to start on 22nd December 2012. He said in his article:-

In the Brahma-Vaivarta Purana, Lord Krishna tells Ganga Devi that there will be a Golden Age within the Kali-yuga that will start 5,000 years after the beginning of the Kali Yuga. The Golden Age will last for 10,000 years according to Lord Krishna. The Kali Yuga calendar began at midnight on 18 February 3102 B.C. according to many sources.

The ancient Hindu’s mainly used lunar calendars but also used solar calendars. If an average lunar year equals 354.36 days, then this would be about 5270 lunar years from the time when the Kali Yuga started until 21 Dec 2012, the year that the Mayans predict rebirth of our planet; and it is also about 5113 solar years of 365.24 days per year.

David Hedges ended his post with the following statement:-

Now we have another ancient source, Hindu Scripture’s called the Brahma-Vaivarta Purana, predicting a new world about the same time that the Mayans predicted it to come! Historically, this is an amazing fact since these two ancient cultures didn’t have any contact.

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In an entry at Wikipedia on the year 2012, it was stated that in a book titled “The Bible Code”, a meteor, asteroid or comet will collide with the Earth and again in another book titled “The Nostradamus Code” where there will be a series of natural disasters caused by a comet. In another book titled “The Orion Prophecy” it was claimed that the Earth’s magnetic field will reverse. Plenty of natural disasters may cause the death of many people and towns causing humans to rebuild their lives again? Yes, it is possible.

12/17/07 - End of Volume 1.

Here you go.

Failure, Grod. Failure.

I read it. All I see is... Pictures and words. No real meaning.

But I am curious as to how the Mayan Calendar was converted into the Christian calendar, considering the fact that we lost a few years since Rome started using it.

Originally Posted by Seismosaur

All I see is... Pictures and words.

View
2: the act of seeing or examining

Read
b: to learn from what one has seen or found in writing or printing

And that is relevant how?

When you see a word, read it. When you see a picture, view it.

I already explained the definitions, so you shouldn't have any problem there, I would think.

Apply those two meanings to the original post, and you should be set.

Do you want to answer myt questions, aregue Jeff's point, or just dance around the thread and annoy me because you don't have a rebuttal or point?

I'm not going to do your homework for you.

Read the post. The answers are in there, which I tried to make as least cryptic as possible. I guess I should make it simpler.

Read the post, the answers to your assumptions are in there.

Don't waste your time with seis... he's intent on causing shit here.

A Seis post is about as open-minded and informative as a youtube comment.

Wait. That's giving him too much credit.

[sidenote: I dont think that lunar and solar eclipses happen so often, so all you'd need to do to match it up to the christian calendar is wait for one of them in conjunction with the lunar cycle and equinoxes and there ya go.]

Reposted for effect...

Originally Posted by SolSkye

What makes you so sure you're right? Fervent belief one way or the other is retarded...

The least you can do is err on the side of caution, and open yourself up to the different possibilities out there... The sun rising tomorrow isn't guaranteed or written in stone. The mayans believed our idea of time to be circular, and we have repeated the same process countless times. They thought by predicting the stars positions and seeing where things will be you could essentially see where you will be. Their pinpoint accuracy with the limited technology for their time is still astonishing to people. Where does your seemingly vast understanding of their culture (surely enough to draw those conclusions) come from?

Seismosaur lost my respect some time ago, so I'm not worried about what his post(s) say or an approval rating from the likes of him. But...I would like to "reiterate" a few things:

1. I find the beliefs of advanced ancient civilizations fascinating
2. I have no intention of building a bomb shelter in my backyard.
3. I won't be cancelling my plans for 2013

And now, some interesting art to soothe your minds...

Originally Posted by SolSkye

And now, some interesting art to soothe your minds...

Good stuff solskye! What the hell is that symbol in your sig. I seen that symbol in a dream recently on a window.

The one in the center or the one on the outside?

The one in the center is a symbol a friend designed for our electronic music group, SolSkye. It even spells SolSkye in the flames if you look closely. It's supposed to represent the one flaming soul in the sky. Soul, Sole, Sol (Sun) Sky...

The one on the outside is Ouroboros. The snake biting it's own tail which represents infinity. I snagged that one off the internet and just superimposed our pic in the middle.

yeah thanks. the one i saw was the middle. there wasn't a dragon or snake around it.