Salvia divinorum banned in Illinois... Why????

**Universal Mind** · 01-20-2008 01:41 AM

Originally Posted by blade5x

Way to go California!

Regulated only to those under the age of 18! Now hopefully the rest of the US can follow with this fair regulation.

That is ssssssssoooooooooo much better than what has happened in other states. However, I think the state goverments should have just kept their mouths shut about it and never put it on the map. Now teenagers in California are going to start doing the stuff in larger numbers (Though it will never be that popular.) and trying to look cool by being idiots with a now illegal substance. Salvia was not a popular drug at all before the legislation started getting passed. If salvia were a cable station, it would have been channel 48236718305795735417303 before the legislation craze. The politicians are pushing it toward being more like The Gardening Channel or something. But... I think it's awesome that California passed a much smarter law than Delaware, Illinois, Louisiana, and other states.

**Bearsy** · 01-20-2008 06:01 AM

SALVIA is ILLEGAL for the SAME REASON PSILOCYBIN and its COMPONENTS are ILLEGAL.

Bill Hicks Explains it All... Skip to 1:00

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeIv-i7aVwE

The Government does not want you to have this knowledge.

**Mutex** · 01-20-2008 05:26 PM

ok...

[1] - If you smoke enough salvia for it to do anything more intense than a little tingle throughout your body (hallucinations) then you are incapable of driving. By incapable I mean if you were in your car with it started the doors locked and you seat buckled to the driver's seat with the vehicle in park as soon as it hit you you would not be able to even get out of the driveway.

So driving is not even an issue sadly enough.

[2] - If you've ever gotten to level 5 of salvia nearing level 6 it is possible for the world itself to melt, turn into hands, you can roll around reality on a sphereical axis while meating through and combining with inanamate objects, etc., etc., etc.

Note: I'm not going to explain it i'm just going to say it; Noone becomes a habitual salvia smoker. Use your imagination to think of what a bad trip might be like and how that may affect a person's opinion of salvia. They either stop or they control it responsibly and do this VERY infrequently.

[3] - There should be at the VERY VERY least a little packet in kind with an instructional manual so people know what they're getting into if they think of buying it.

[4] - Sheltered children are the most common, but many kids these days try many things by accident and just out of simple peer-pressure and because of this salvia needs to only be allowed to be sold by people who have a license to sell it, much like liquor stores except for at head shops.

all i have time to say right now i could write multiple books on this but gotta get goin...later

Mutex

**Casualtie** · 10-13-2008 03:56 PM

I watched a kid about 15 years old at the very most purchase some salvia at the flea market yesterday. If you ask me, someone who's used the drug with success, that is WAAAAY too young to be experimenting with salvia. I asked the kid if he'd ever done it before and he said he had, but that didn't convince me. He really seemed like he had no idea what he was in for.

Apparently it's illegal as of July 1st here in Florida. What a step in the wrong direction.. people are ridiculous.

**StonedApe** · 10-13-2008 04:55 PM

eLiSD, you are absolutely right, but the video was removed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCf2fJsBxRc
Probably a different video

Governments thrive off of division, if people were able to use psychedelics responsibly, people would come to realizations that the government doesn't want them to.

**Tornado Joe** · 10-14-2008 05:36 PM

Originally Posted by ape

Governments thrive off of division, if people were able to use psychedelics responsibly, people would come to realizations that the government doesn't want them to.

Yah, well - I'm kind of convinced that we are evolving according to the great 'cosmic plan' of some sort. Their efforts are only going to push the movement towards personal enlightenment and conscious awareness even harder; resulting in quicker process.

3 more years....

Hi ape - great to have another Ohioan on board

**Universal Mind** · 10-14-2008 06:57 PM

Salvia divinorum is now illegal in Mississippi too. I feel so much safer now!

**Black_Eagle** · 10-14-2008 07:48 PM

I watched that CBS video and in no way did it offer any logical correlation between the kid's suicide and Salvia usage. Because he used salvia, he committed suicide. Bullshit. He was probably using that drug BECAUSE he was depressed. Fuck the mainstream media, all the assholes who worship it, and all their false analogies.

**Tornado Joe** · 04-09-2009 04:04 PM

Add Ohio to the list, as of April 1st (yeah, was hoping it was a joke, unfortunately not...)

Fucking Gov. Strickland.

**Odd_Nonposter** · 04-09-2009 06:04 PM

Originally Posted by Tornado Joe

Add Ohio to the list, as of April 1st (yeah, was hoping it was a joke, unfortunately not...)

Fucking Gov. Strickland.

Yup. Ohio is kinda known for limiting personal freedoms. I have out-of-state friends who call it "No-hio" for all of the laws we've passed like this.

And yet, we have a medical marijuana bill that's waiting to be heard in committee.

http://www.legislature.state.oh.us/a...0343-i-127.htm

http://www.legislature.state.oh.us/b...?ID=127_SB_343

The second one's got a bunch of unnecessary stuff in it, but has links to other things related to it.

**Taosaur** · 04-09-2009 06:12 PM

Originally Posted by Tornado Joe

Add Ohio to the list, as of April 1st (yeah, was hoping it was a joke, unfortunately not...)

Fucking Gov. Strickland.

I thought that happened a long time ago. We usually are near the front of the pack on empty tough-on-crime legislation.

**Odd_Nonposter** · 04-09-2009 06:18 PM

We passed it a long time ago, it just takes a while for things to go into effect.

Ohio is kinda slow on a few things.

**Universal Mind** · 04-09-2009 09:46 PM

Originally Posted by Tornado Joe

Add Ohio to the list, as of April 1st (yeah, was hoping it was a joke, unfortunately not...)

Fucking Gov. Strickland.

Yes! There won't be a few people in Ohio tripping out on their couches for ten minutes at a time, about twice a year each (because there will be lots more due to the publicity). I can safely go into Ohio now!!!

**Tyler** · 04-10-2009 12:28 AM

I wanna try Salvia so bad, but I'm underage and I don't know where to buy it. My dad definetely wouldn't buy it for me, and I'm not too sure my mom would either.

**plg6067** · 04-10-2009 01:23 AM

You know the world has gone down hill when plants can be illegal. I mean come on...

Prohibition of mind altering substances is one the most ignorant and offensive policies in practice to day. Limiting what plants are allowed to be grown and what states of mind we are allowed to have is insanity.

Enjoy your natural right to the plants of this earth and ignore the "law" set up by a small group of individuals.

**Tornado Joe** · 04-10-2009 03:02 PM

Originally Posted by UM

There won't be a few people in Ohio tripping out on their couches for ten minutes at a time, about twice a year each (because there will be lots more due to the publicity)

Haha, yeah that's about as often as I use it. Hell, I pretty much have to schedule myself a time to use it because it's not something I ever crave or anything. I skipped the last time I planned on meditating with it due to lazyness.

I just regret never getting the chance to purchase the 20x. Now I don't know now if I'll ever have a 'breakthrough' with it.

**Flying Spaghetti Monster** · 04-11-2009 12:33 AM

i tried it a few times a while ago.
the last time i did it it was the scariest moment of my life.

**Kuhnada29** · 04-12-2009 05:34 AM

Originally Posted by Elis D.

SALVIA is ILLEGAL for the SAME REASON PSILOCYBIN and its COMPONENTS are ILLEGAL.

Bill Hicks Explains it All... Skip to 1:00

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeIv-i7aVwE

The Government does not want you to have this knowledge.

DAMMIT!! They removed the video from youtube...i want the TRUTH. What exactly does he say?

**Kuhnada29** · 04-19-2009 08:24 AM

Originally Posted by HaRd_WiReD

DAMMIT!! They removed the video from youtube...i want the TRUTH. What exactly does he say?

PLEASE!! what is it>??

**AirRick101** · 04-23-2009 10:50 AM

this herb isn't even that good, the effects don't last long and the sensation is all THAT mind-blowing. the kush is way better, though perhaps a mix of both would be pretty interesting, mm, I haven't tried that yet.

**dajo** · 04-23-2009 10:56 AM

Originally Posted by AirRick101

this herb isn't even that good, the effects don't last long and the sensation is all THAT mind-blowing. the kush is way better, though perhaps a mix of both would be pretty interesting, mm, I haven't tried that yet.

varies from individual to individual..

**Tornado Joe** · 04-23-2009 05:04 PM

the effects don't last long and the sensation is all THAT mind-blowing

if smoked it doesnt last that long; ingested, however, is another story. So I've heard, anyway.

**Universal Mind** · 04-24-2009 01:58 AM

Originally Posted by AirRick101

this herb isn't even that good, the effects don't last long and the sensation is all THAT mind-blowing. the kush is way better, though perhaps a mix of both would be pretty interesting, mm, I haven't tried that yet.

It only works when smoked if you get a HUGE hit (best out of a bong) and hold it for 15-30 seconds. Also, the leaves don't work well. It takes at least a 5x extract. 10x and above are very effective if smoked the way I talked about. I have watched people take just regular hits of it and not get much of an effect. If you do it the way I described, it should turn reality inside out for you.

**Michael** · 04-24-2009 02:15 AM

It's a horrible trip everytime. Maybe a lower extract than 80x would be different, I don't know. Tried it 4-5 times and each time was pure dread.

Still against making any drug illegal though. It's illegal here in Florida now, and I kinda wanted to try weaker extract or something. I don't see why it is illegal. One good hit with a torch/bong/ held in for 30 seconds and you won't be moving far for 10 mins. Then it wears off and you're back to normal................. Alcohol is more far more dangerous.