Thread: A very real conspiracy

Well, the legal system is really easy to break - look at what's happening in other countries. The legal system has always been badly-made, and a huge scandal like this one was bound to happen at some point. That said, this is sickening.

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Hey, sorry this is such a bad post. I don't know much about it. But you made the thread = it's going to be a great thread = get into it before it gets out of control with loads of people/ flaming.

Originally Posted by A Humble Sinner

Well, the legal system is really easy to break - look at what's happening in other countries. The legal system has always been badly-made, and a huge scandal like this one was bound to happen at some point. That said, this is sickening.

Yeah, it makes you wonder how much of that stuff is going on everywhere else.

Originally Posted by A Humble Sinner

Hey, sorry this is such a bad post. I don't know much about it. But you made the thread = it's going to be a great thread = get into it before it gets out of control with loads of people/ flaming.

I'm surprised you are the only person who has had anything to say about the story so far. With all of the Ron Paul cheering, Bush bashing, corporations despising, war protesting, and 9/11 conspiracy talk that goes on here, this thread is pretty barren after thirteen or whatever hours. I thought Mystic would have already told at least twenty people how stupid they are.

I'm not sure I follow, could you give a little summary of whatever's going on?

Originally Posted by Spartiate

I'm not sure I follow, could you give a little summary of whatever's going on?

Do you remember the enormous tobacco class action lawsuit of a few years back? One of the plaintiff's attorney's involved in it was the Oxford, Mississippi lawyer Dickie Scruggs. At one point, he was involved in an enormous asbestos lawsuit. One of his partners in that case was the Jackson attorney William Wilson. It was later brought to Wilson's attention that Dickie Scruggs apparently owed him more than $15 million in attorney's fees. Scruggs refused to cough up the money, so Wilson sued him for it.

Scruggs got the lawyers Joey Langston and Timothy Balducci to represent him. Both of those lawyers have since pled guilty to bribing judges other than the one who is the main focus of this particular story. Those lawyers got the attorney Ed Peters to work with them. The judge in the Wilson v. Scruggs case was Bobby Delaughter, who used to work for Ed Peters when Peters was the Hinds County district attorney and Delaughter was one of his assistant district attorneys (a team famous for putting away Byron De La Beckwith for killing Medgar Evers, the subject of Ghosts of Mississippi).

Now picture that. Two lawyers who have pled guilty to bribing judges were working with the former boss of the judge in their Wilson case. That judge, Bobby Delaughter, was discovered to have sent an email to his former boss Ed Peters with a rough draft of the decision he was going to hand down. That is a huge ethics violation by itself, and it also strongly suggests judicial bribery, especially considering the fact that he only awarded Wilson $1.5 million instead of $15 million.

Delaughter has not been shown to have received any money so far, but there is another incentive being looked at. Dickie Scruggs' brother-in-law is U.S. Senator Trent Lott, the former Republican leader of the Senate. If the Republican Party were a gang, he would be one of the top lieutenants. Delaughter was seeking to be appointed by Bush to be a federal judge. There is witness confirmation that Delaughter was told by Scruggs through his partners that Delaughter would be considered for the position. There is also a record of Trent Lott making a call to Bobby Delaughter about consideration for appointment to a federal judgeship. It just so happens that the same day Langston and Balducci were arrested by the feds, Trent Lott resigned from the U.S. Senate. Apparently Lott caught wind of the fact that the feds were on the lawyers' asses because he ended up recommending somebody other than Delaughter for the federal judge position, and George Bush took Lott's recommendation for the other guy and appointed him.

Ed Peters is now in the witness protection program. The word on the streets is that Bobby Delaughter is about to resign. If you look at the Delaughter picture in the article I posted, you can see that he is wigged out pretty bad.

On top of all of that, there is evidence of other judges in Mississippi who have given really strange decisions when Dickie Scruggs was a lawyer in the case. Those judges have heat on them now. How state legislators and U.S. Congressmen other than Trent Lott might be involved is something I am not really sure about yet. I only brought that up because of what lawyers around town have been telling me. It sounds like a lot more might be hitting the fan in upcoming months. Stay tuned.

I thought Mystic would have already told at least twenty people how stupid they are.

Universal Mind. Amusing. Take a look at the movies for 2008.

2012
The Eye
The Grays
OZ
Mirrors
Paranormal Activity
Resident Evil: Degeneration
Alice's House
Phoebe in Wonderland
Space Chimps
Wizard of Gore
The Aquarian Gospel
Area52
The Escapist
The Golden Door
EverQuest
The Push
After.Life

Seventh Moon
Snow and the Seven
The 7
Under the Same Moon
Serious Moonlight


Vacuuming the Cat
At the Mountains of Madness
In the Name of the King
Forbidden Kingdom
What Just Happened?
Where in the World is Osama Bin Laden?
Conspiracy

Bryan Loves You
Bong Hits 4 Jesus
The Code
The Time Traveler's Wife
The Day the Earth Stood Still
Revolutionary Road
Doomsday
The Pirates Who Don't Do Anything
27 Dresses
Funny Games
Never Back Down
Smart People
Jumper







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Mystic, I just gave you a government corruption field day on a platter, and that is all you have to say? Clear cases of it that people don't really dispute don't interest you, do they? Are you sure all of that talk you have been doing over the past few months has been about true outrage over government corruption?

Where are all of the government and power bashers? I thought a lot of you were obsessed with this type of stuff. Well, here is a case of it that can actually be proven.

I know! I expected about 100 flame posts from nobody in paticular -

*ahem* MYSTIC!*cough, cough*

It's suprising that pretty much no anti-goverment crazy conspiracist has posted "narf, narf, I tooold you, you sceptics with small brains! I RULE!". But the main point of these people is to flame, not discuss, maybe it really isn't that suprising.

By the way, this post deals with three things, Mystic:

1. I think you flame post a lot. That wasn't a flame. I can get you plenty of examples from these forums.

2. I laid out what I think your motives are when you flame (which are entirely my opinion. They don't show you in a good light because I don't believe your motives are positive, and that's different from flaming you. I am simply saying that I do not believe your motives to be good).

3. I mentioned people making obscene comments about skeptical people's brain sizes. I have seen these sort of comments. The point of my raising them was to show that these comments are made, as flames, for no reason whatsoever, and that I do not appreciate them being posted as replies to this type of topic. I believe they are anti-government from what they say, I believe they are conspiracists from what they say, and I believe they are crazy for thinking brain size = intelligence it todays world.

My comments were not made as flames - they simply lay out the sad truth of the matter. The last three points was in an attempt to ward of a huige barrage of flames, but I have no delusions that it will work. I know someone will just come and say "YOu R stupid,", I am simply making an effort.

Azomg! Conspiracy!

AHS, good points. Mystic (etc.) is definitely being put to the test concerning what his intentions have been all this time. Let's see how he scores on it. I did not at all mean for my thread to be a troll test, but it looks like it really works as one. I have been reading so much about government conspiracy government conspiracy government conspiracy government conspiracy in this forum for so long, and now there is a thread about one that actually has very strong evidence supporting it. But what is the result? So little room to troll!

Originally Posted by M-Cat

Azomg! Conspiracy!

Oh no, it looks we have people here who think Mystic has been crying wolf.

UM, I guess it seems like this is just so much regular run-of-the-mill corruption that no one is too shocked. It's only the really big, elaborate, crazy stuff that gets people's attention. Complex schemes with lots of money changing hands involving elected and judicial officials--happens all the time, right?

As far as the really far-out conspiracies--who knows? Truth is often stranger than fiction.

Originally Posted by Moonbeam

UM, I guess it seems like this is just so much regular run-of-the-mill corruption that no one is too shocked. It's only the really big, elaborate, crazy stuff that gets people's attention. Complex schemes with lots of money changing hands involving elected and judicial officials--happens all the time, right?

As far as the really far-out conspiracies--who knows? Truth is often stranger than fiction.

What I posted seems to be "really big, elaborate, crazy stuff". We are talking about Trent Lott. He is/was one of the most powerful people in the world's most powerful government. The story I posted could be used as such a good buildging block for establishing the possibilities of other conspiracies. It looks to me like it's just too real to be worth arguing about. I mean, how can you bash people for not knowing what is going on in situations where everybod knows what is going on? Why even talk about it? Dammit, we cannot insult people when everybody agrees about what is going on. No disagreements? Damn! That means we cannot be dicks to each other, so why talk at all?

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

Oh no, it looks we have people here who think Mystic has been crying wolf.

I'm not exactly sure what you mean, I don't really pay attention to Mystic7.

Originally Posted by M-Cat

I'm not exactly sure what you mean, I don't really pay attention to Mystic7.

Start reading.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

What I posted seems to be "really big, elaborate, crazy stuff". We are talking about Trent Lott. He is/was one of the most powerful people in the world's most powerful government. The story I posted could be used as such a good buildging block for establishing the possibilities of other conspiracies. It looks to me like it's just too real to be worth arguing about. I mean, how can you bash people for not knowing what is going on in situations where everybod knows what is going on? Why even talk about it? Dammit, we cannot insult people when everybody agrees about what is going on. No disagreements? Damn! That means we cannot be dicks to each other, so why talk at all?

Like I said, the flamers need anything that's even slightly controversial to attack, and they can't very well say "no, narf narf, this is all a conspiracy to make us THINK there are conspiracies!" because that involves oh so many paradoxes and completely screws their zealous defence of conspiracy for ever.

This is elaborate crazy stuff. Not the actual subject matter, but the fact that it was exposed. Look at Russia - you need to bribe gangsters, police and your politicians to get freedom to spend your own money (those are the least of the bribes), judges deliver verdicts that have been dictated to them over the telephone by politicians, people are dragged off the street and beaten in little rooms, witnesses in trails have their testimony dictated to them at gunpoint, bodies disappear, elections are fixed, officers of the army there habitually kill there soldiers in the context of "training", enough money bypasses any law and absoloutley anyone who goes against this disappears or dies.

For a very basic overview of this a really great book to read is Putin's Russia, by Anna Politkovskaya. She was assassinated in her flat's elevator.

What shocks me isn't the actual deed - corruption is rife everywhere. But when you see it again and again in Russia, you get used to the fact that there is very visible corruption in Russia. You forgot about corruption in other places. So when yo hear about it in such a place as America - which everyone knows stands for fredom - it's like a splash of cold water in your face.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

Start reading.

No thanks.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

What I posted seems to be "really big, elaborate, crazy stuff". We are talking about Trent Lott.

That says it all.

I see what you're saying tho, it should be worthy of discussion even if we can't argue about it.

Well we'll see how much attention is paid to this nationally. It's not nearly as interesting as who 10% of the people in S. Carolina think today about a few Republicrats. And we've got 8 more months of that.

I thought Trent Lott resigned so he could become a lobbyist before they changed the rules. Maybe this had something to do with it too?

I haven't heard about this at all. >.> For some reason I slightly doubt it's going to get much national attention.

Originally Posted by De-lousedInTheComatorium

I haven't heard about this at all. >.> For some reason I slightly doubt it's going to get much national attention.

The thing is that the "good ole boy" network in Mississippi is so powerful that they have the entire state by the throat and even key parts of Washington. The Delaughter situation is not even a big enough issue in our state. It makes the news, but only in a, "Here's a report for a few seconds/paragraphs," kind of way. If the story were completely ignored, it would be too obvious that the good ole boy network owns the state. I know they have WLBT, WJTV, WAPT, and the Clarion Ledger at least a little bit in their pockets. If this thread continues much longer, I will probably start sounding a whole lot like Mystic and others. The media here is in the midst of a city and state owned by the Baptist mafia. I mean that very literally. The Baptist Church is so powerful here it is outrageous, and the reaches of their conspiracies and pawnings of people with power and influence is jaw dropping. Have you ever noticed how the state capitol building is literally right next door to the biggest Baptist church in Mississippi? First Baptist is the lead church in the Mississippi Baptist Convention, which owns a lot of downtown and the only law school in Jackson, which is one of the only two law schools in Mississippi. The Mississippi Baptist Convention is affiliated with the Southern Baptist Convention, which has some major leashes on the far right wing of the Republican party. Ed Peters, Dickie Scruggs, Bobby Delaughter, the other corrupt judges who are about to get their asses burned by the feds, the attorney general Jim Hood, Trent Lott, and a zillion other Mississippians with power are part of this sick thing. I don't know if all of them are Baptists, but I have seen the signs that they are part of the Baptist mafia, which is a lot like the Sicilian mafia except not as personal and family like. The ones who are not Baptist are probably Methodist, which is just an alter ego of the Baptist Church that people in power here use to make it look like the Mississippi power structure is not all in the hands of the Baptist church. The Baptist mafia, or good ole boy network, is just a big network of corrupt, "You scratch my back, and I'll scratch yours. We now have an understanding we can use later, and we can introduce each other to others who will work with us in secrecy." I think most of them are probably atheists or agnostics and just use the Baptist/Methodist church in Mississippi as a power tool. There is a lot of power to be gained by way of a religious denomination.

That is exactly why I am so excited about this Delaugher issue. I HAAAAATE the Baptist mafia and really want to see it fall. I want those #$%@ &*(%$* to all sink together like a big fleet of battle ships. My hatred for them almost defies description. Maybe I am getting my hopes up too much that their day of doom has finally come, but it looks like maybe it really has. The federal government has finally penetrated them and taken out a few of their soldiers and is giving a hard look at one of their top generals. I think that is profoundly beautiful.

One of the reasons I argue so much about 9/11 conspiracies and "war all about oil" type stuff is that there is completely real stuff like that going on in the world and I don't like to see people doing what amounts to crying wolf. It is just like when Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson cry out about racism in situations where it does not actually exist. When they do that, they knock big chunks out of people's credibility when they try to expose racism in situations where it really is. I am now talking about a true conspiracy involving very powerful people who I know have really important people in their pockets, and I can't talk about it without sounding like people who have talked about that stuff in places where it has not been proven to exist. I have said all along that maybe it does exist in those places. It does not defy the laws of reality for Bush to have used actual foreign matters that are true problems as an excuse to start wars and get cuts of money from Halliburton. I defninitely see where it is possible. However, I have not seen it proven, and I do know that there are legitimate reasons for our present wars. I hate that people are crying wolf in mass numbers because it hurts our country's ability to make something of circumstances where such things really can be proven.

AHS, good points. Mystic (etc.) is definitely being put to the test concerning what his intentions have been all this time. Let's see how he scores on it. I did not at all mean for my thread to be a troll test, but it looks like it really works as one.

Universal mind. You have me all wrong. I do debate with you and others seriously at times about things such as this. You may be suprised how much I can apreciate your point of view. I'm the least apathetic about overall corruption. I understand what I can and cannot do about it. What I do and do not know. Like I have told O'nus. This is for me, your responses are to interest me and my learning. Not to win a debate or teach anything about anything. You don't actually think I'm trying to convert you to anything do you? This is just a forum. Serious research is done personally in my own spare time from authors and people I respect. As is serious discussion. That doesn't mean I can't pick up things here and there from people on the forum. But I don't place a lot of importance on what people think or are involved with on this forum in particular. It's not my concern how people choose to live or what to believe. It's just entertainment before I go to work. Besides lucid dreaming is one of my greatest interests. If you care about this sort of stuff, it goes beyond the forum and what you write on it. It's about how you live your life.

P.S
911 is very much symbolic of the processes of mass corruption and how it operates in our society and peoples growing awareness of what is going on. That is why it is so important and key. Also with pictures and other things I post. They have meaning if you could operated less out of your tunnel vision and more in your creative intuitive mind. You would realize there is more going on.

I don't find the scandal particularly news-grabbing. In some bygone era, such a scandal would probably be a pretty big story, but the news networks of today could hardly be bothered with such a 'local' news story.

We've seen this before as well, in a different context. Occasionally, Washington officials, former senators, representatives, military officers, and staff get offered lucrative jobs in the private sector on the strongly-implied condition that they push legislation or earmarks that would be beneficial, or on the promise that they will have even greater influence over the legislative process than they had before. My father happens to work as a contracting specialist for the DoA, and has seen this kind of technically-legal bribe take place.

Could the judge-bribing have a much wider, even more appalling, scope? Perhaps, but the most effective, news-evading bribes are those that occur out in the open, blatantly written into bills and budgets signed by the president himself, or in the super-secret world of unaudited and unverified budget expenses for a multitude of government agencies.

Today, bribed judges. Tomorrow, Telecom amnesty legislation.

Originally Posted by Mystic7

Universal mind. You have me all wrong. I do debate with you and others seriously at times about things such as this. You may be suprised how much I can apreciate your point of view. I'm the least apathetic about overall corruption. I understand what I can and cannot do about it. What I do and do not know. Like I have told O'nus. This is for me, your responses are to interest me and my learning. Not to win a debate or teach anything about anything. You don't actually think I'm trying to convert you to anything do you? This is just a forum. Serious research is done personally in my own spare time from authors and people I respect. As is serious discussion. That doesn't mean I can't pick up things here and there from people on the forum. But I don't place a lot of importance on what people think or are involved with on this forum in particular. It's not my concern how people choose to live or what to believe. It's just entertainment before I go to work. Besides lucid dreaming is one of my greatest interests. If you care about this sort of stuff, it goes beyond the forum and what you write on it. It's about how you live your life.

P.S
911 is very much symbolic of the processes of mass corruption and how it operates in our society and peoples growing awareness of what is going on. That is why it is so important and key. Also with pictures and other things I post. They have meaning if you could operated less out of your tunnel vision and more in your creative intuitive mind. You would realize there is more going on.

You're still a hypocrite. Claiming to be just learning from other people while refusing to absorb anything anyone else is saying and yet still have the nerve to call us blind. You fail to see your own hypocrisy. Have you ever heard of projection? I suggest you read up on it and learn from it as you refuse to listen to other people yet claim to be learning from them.

What is the point of being on a message board if all you are going to do is bark at people, call them ignorant, and take nothing back in turn?

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Originally Posted by Mystic7

Universal mind. You have me all wrong. I do debate with you and others seriously at times about things such as this. You may be suprised how much I can apreciate your point of view. I'm the least apathetic about overall corruption. I understand what I can and cannot do about it. What I do and do not know. Like I have told O'nus. This is for me, your responses are to interest me and my learning. Not to win a debate or teach anything about anything. You don't actually think I'm trying to convert you to anything do you? This is just a forum. Serious research is done personally in my own spare time from authors and people I respect. As is serious discussion. That doesn't mean I can't pick up things here and there from people on the forum. But I don't place a lot of importance on what people think or are involved with on this forum in particular. It's not my concern how people choose to live or what to believe. It's just entertainment before I go to work. Besides lucid dreaming is one of my greatest interests. If you care about this sort of stuff, it goes beyond the forum and what you write on it. It's about how you live your life.

P.S
911 is very much symbolic of the processes of mass corruption and how it operates in our society and peoples growing awareness of what is going on. That is why it is so important and key. Also with pictures and other things I post. They have meaning if you could operated less out of your tunnel vision and more in your creative intuitive mind. You would realize there is more going on.

You have left probably about 100 or more posts on 9/11 in this forum, and you talked about it again in your above post. So, what do you think of multiple judicial bribery involving at least one instance of a former U.S. Senate Majority Leader holding a federal judgeship dangling in the face of a judge while that judge decides the Senator's brother-in-law's fate? You have made zero comments on the subject of this thread even though you have left a few posts.

By the way, our former attorney general, Mike Moore, somehow ended up with documented information that lawyer Balducci (one of the Scruggs lawyers arrested for judicial bribery) was supposed to keep secret under attorney client privilege when Mike Moore was prosecuting Balducci's client. Our current attorney general, Jim Hood, was Joey Langston's (other original Scruggs lawyer) roommate when they were in law school at Ole Miss. Are you starting to get the picture here? More to come.

Originally Posted by R.D.735

I don't find the scandal particularly news-grabbing. In some bygone era, such a scandal would probably be a pretty big story, but the news networks of today could hardly be bothered with such a 'local' news story.

Trent Lott was not a state Senator in the Mississippi legislature when he resigned recently. He was a U.S. Senator in the U.S. Congress. That part is not merely local. Imagine George Bush doing the same thing. Would you consider it an insignificant local story?

Originally Posted by R.D.735

We've seen this before as well, in a different context. Occasionally, Washington officials, former senators, representatives, military officers, and staff get offered lucrative jobs in the private sector on the strongly-implied condition that they push legislation or earmarks that would be beneficial, or on the promise that they will have even greater influence over the legislative process than they had before. My father happens to work as a contracting specialist for the DoA, and has seen this kind of technically-legal bribe take place.

What you are talking about is questionable and very difficult to prove. Judicial bribery, at least in this case, is not either of those. An individual lost $13.5 million dollars because of a decision that was objectively false. It is hard to argue that legislation that has been debated is objectively false. People have already been arrested by the FBI for what I am talking about. Ed Peters is in the FBI's witness protection program because of his part in it.

Corruption seems to be the norm for political affairs in this country recently. Our system needs to undergo some sort of catharsis, although it seems like the only way possible is for it to be a violent one, which isn't really a solution. Somehow we need to break the pattern of corruption leading to military coupe and then vice versa.

Originally Posted by UM

You're still a hypocrite. Claiming to be just learning from other people while refusing to absorb anything anyone else is saying and yet still have the nerve to call us blind. You fail to see your own hypocrisy. Have you ever heard of projection? I suggest you read up on it and learn from it as you refuse to listen to other people yet claim to be learning from them. What is the point of being on a message board if all you are going to do is bark at people, call them ignorant, and take nothing back in turn?

Fair enough. I will change my tune. You will no longer percieve me as hypocritical.