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      do humans treat sexuality like a secret society?

      Due to the intense arguing I am doing in the lounge in the "the guys rules" thread. I thought i would present some of the sources that have influences why i say the things i say, and why I think people should really think and talk about these things.

      I am about to make a bold statement: That in regards to sex, what people say they know about it and how they behave towards sex are two entirely different things.

      now moderators: if you feel this subject and the materials i provide are too sensitive to people in this forum. you may PM me, lock the thread, And I'll delete the material.

      Meet Stephane: A self proclaimed sexual libertine. who only Dates bisexual women. He dedicates his time To educating men and women how to have awesome relationships and awesome sex. Here are some of his youtube vids.

      http://youtube.com/watch?v=H7d_ufaM4FM&feature=related

      http://youtube.com/watch?v=x3XNRTkN5VA

      http://youtube.com/watch?v=DUEFn15L3G0

      Meet johny Soporno: A Man who manages multiple relationships with women. He doesn't lie to anybody about who he is. He treats all his women with respect and they all know about eachother. In his vids he describes his research in his beliefs and actions. He provides a pretty mind blowing case.

      all his vids are for free at www.seductivereasoning.com you don't have to sign up for a newsletter to watch them.

      my last source is an article Written by a man who considers himself a social scientist. His statement of peoples sexual behavior as a secret society is only a metaphor. It isn't literal. he just describes how many people unconciously behave "as if" they are in a secret society. I will do my best to edit out some of his stereotypical sexist statements. I don't agree with his sexism, but i agree with alot his observations of human sexual behavior.

      Many guys will dislike this, because it implies that women are sluts and untrustworthy. Well, I can only speak from my experience and report back what I've seen. I'm also posting in a semi-satirical tone - I haven't gone off the deepend..... yet...
      A secret society exists. Around 52% of people on this earth are a part of it.
      Of that 52%, 50% are women, 2% are men.
      Of that 2%, 1% of those men are gay, the other 1% are players.
      What I'm talking about is the sex secret society - and you are either *IN* or *OUT*.

      SOME RULES OF THE SECRET SOCIETY:
      1) Don't talk about the secret society.
      2) The priority of the secret society is to have perpetually good emotions in all members.
      3) Create shrowds around the secret society, like "all men are dogs". Hide the truth that women are far more likely to cheat than men.
      4) If you are part of the secret society, you will never be denied anything at any point.
      5) If you are not part of the secret society, you will scrap and beg for everything you get.
      6) Communication in the secret society is less often verbal, and more often spoken through bodylanguage subcommunications, and verbal subcommunications that would only make sense to members. Any other way, and the 48% of men would pick up on it, and it would no longer be a secret.
      7) At the first sign that someone who is not part of the secret society is possibly trying to pretend that he is, barate him with both love-rhetoric, and accusations of chauvanism and nit-witted-ness.
      It's OK to cheat on someone who is not a part of the secret society, so long as it is for the purpose of fulfilling the needs of someone who is, or if it to fulfill your own needs and it is with someone who is a part of the secret society. Sleeping with a rare guy from the secret society is no worse than grinding with a girlfriend at a club and making out with her. "It doesn't count".
      9) Nobody judges eachother in the secret society. There is no such thing as a slut. A slut is only as slutty as people who are NOT in the secret society are aware of.
      10) Secret society members COME FIRST. If someone in the society is not having fun with an interaction, it is cut off. Conversely, if a secret society male is with a non-secret-society male, and a secret society female (all females) decides she wants sex from the secret society male, the friend of the female may have sex with the non-secret-society male, because EVERYONE in the interaction must feel good. However, if the non-secret-society male is blowing himself out so badly that he makes the female member feel very bad emotions, then the secret-society-male must face the consequences of bringing negative emotions into the equation, and lose out on his privilege for sex in that interaction, until he ditches the non-secret-society male. Bear minimum requirements for non-secret-society males being grandfathered in with the male member, is that he not qualify himself or make anyone feel uncomfortable. Failing to meet those requirements, both are blown out.
      WHAT IS THE SECRET SOCIETY?
      Women are repressed by men, and so must look out for themselves. They will take care of:
      1) Their own sexual needs.
      2) The sexual needs of anyone in the secret society.
      3) The sexual needs of the few males who make the secret society possible ("players").
      The secret society is what allows women to appear wholesome and allows them to screen for a long term provider.
      Women hold off to find the perfect boyfriend, while sleeping with a guy who is likely sleeping with all of their friends, and their friends friends.
      They also fuck their gay boyfriends or jerk them off or give them head. They're part of the secret society too, so they can't be left out.

      EYE WITNESS ACCOUNTS FROM SECRET SOCIETY INSIDERS (based on dozens of interviews I did over the summer, with girls in London England, as well as some from my own experience as a player):
      1) If you tell a girl that you're gay, and that you want to "see what it feels like to be with a girl", she'll sleep with you. She won't insist on using a condom either, unless you do. You're part of the secret society, where condoms aren't necessary because they are logical entities and not emotionally relevant.
      2) If you subcommunicate that you are a part of the secret society, and tell the friend of your target "I'm really lonely. My girlfriend cheated on me, and I need to re-validate myself tonight", she'll tell her friend to fuck you. Her friend will realize from this that you are a part of the secret society, and she'll fuck you. Moreover, if the friend refuses, the ugly girl will offer you a blowjob to help you out.
      3) If you manage to verbally subcommunicate that you are a member (its still subcommunication, because the verbal ways you communicate it aren't direct at all), the secret society members will gladly tell you all about their sexual exploits and adventures. As soon as you subcommunicate that you desire romance, she will immediately retract all of her previous statements (and she'll look completely congruent doing so), and downplay them that it was something she did just one time and that she's looking for a relationship.
      dude: "I love to go out and hook up. I hate it when girls try to run my life"..
      HB: "Me too.. I hooked up with guys all last year.. My boyfriend tried to control me, but I do what I want.. My girlfriends all do it too."
      dude: "Really? Cause to be honest, I've always felt like I'm a romantic guy.. And girls always cheat on me.. I want to find a girl who won't cheat."
      HB: "I would never cheat. Guys are dogs. I'm always loyal."
      dude: "But didn't you say..."
      HB: "No, I said nothing."
      dude: "No, you said that you don't let your boyfriend control you and you do what you want."
      dude: "No, I didn't mean that. I'm not a slut. I have no idea what you're talking about, I didn't say that."
      4) If you are a member, and say that you are really lonely and you need someone to snuggle and makeout with, all members of the secret society will agree to do so with you. If you are a girl, you have privilege to snuggle and kiss and sleep in the same bed as all other girls. If you are gay, you can do the same. If it escalates to sex, its an accident and does not count. If you're a player, and you make girls around you emotional, and the friends are all in good emotions about it, they sleep with you. No one is a slut in the secret society, because the secret society does not judge.
      5) If a group of girls living together find a guy who is in the secret society, they will all fuck him. They'll recommend him as an honourary secret society member, and enjoy him. Meanwhile they may be in relationships with non-secret society members that they've fallen in love with, however this is not an issue because nobody in the secret society judges and sex with people in the secret society does not count. If you are a secret society member now, but in the past enjoyed a romantic relationship, what you may not realize is the part that was left out of the romance novel story (due to rules no1&2 of the secret society code), which was that after you dropped her off your romantic star watching, a secret society member came by and fucked the shit out of her without a condom and gave her the money shot all over her face.
      6) If a secret society male has a non member male friend, the friend of the girl who wants sex from the male member will have sex with the non-member even if she doesn't like him. However, rules state that if if the non-member is "creepy/scary" (touches too much, leans in too much, asks dumb questions, tries too hard to impress, overqualifies), then the male member will be expected to return either alone or with another male member. Also, the male members must remember that positive emotions are always priority, and if he is alone he must still maintain the positive emotions of the female member who will not be getting sex, secret society rules not to be breached. Number 1 rule of the secret society, outside of not talking about it, is that EVERYONE maintains GOOD emotions.
      THE UNDERLYING MISUNDERSTOOD TRUTH OF THE SECRET SOCIETY:
      The 49% of men who live outside of the secret society don't understand the mental model of attraction of people who are in the secret society.
      Men view attraction in their MALE MENTAL MODELS. They believe that attraction is "sexual aggression". They understand attraction as having a physical urge to have sex, and then mentally deciding that you will go after it.
      They try to seduce women by touching and grabbing them, and getting them very horny. They try to seduce them in the SAME WAY that a woman would do well seducing THEM. They try to seduce them as if they were seducing a GUY. This sometimes works, and the propaganda is spread - "this is how to get chicks".
      Secret society members will not fill them in, due to breach of the code.
      What the secret society members are not telling you, is that they understand that most sex occurs when women are not sexually AGGRESSIVE, but sexually RECEPTIVE.
      They understand that for women to be ready for sex, they need not feel horny, they need only feel EMOTIONAL.
      They understand that women are not logical, and that they are emotional. They understand that for women sex is not a big deal at all, and that its their LOGIC that puts the breaks on it.
      They understand that most women are afraid of sex because they lack TRUST, and because their LOGIC is putting on the breaks.
      They disarm logic by making the women EMOTIONAL, so that their LOGIC (which is the BREAKS of emotion) becomes disarmed, and at the same time maintain TRUST, so that the emotions generated won't be interfered with.
      Then they simply have sex, because although the women are not WANTING sex, they are too EMOTIONAL to DECLINE sex. Then, once they BEGIN to have a physical interaction, the women become horny and sexually aggressive as a result, and sex begins.
      (NOTE: This is why girls must COCKBLOCK for eachother. Because they know that clubs are emotionally charged environments, and that it wouldn't take much for a guy to use her resulting sexual receptiveness to lay her. The guy may not be a guy that the girl would lay normally, were she feeling more logical, so the girls must look out for eachother. Guys don't need to do this because firstly, they will not be judged for sleeping around (no logic), secondly, they are sexually aggressive - not receptive - so their decisions will not be regretted later usually, and thirdly, because they do not need trust because they are not usually in any physical danger).
      They also understand that value + trust + attraction = sex (rough lazy model).
      Value = being someone in the secret society (it can also be SO many other things, but being a member can in some cases be sufficient)
      Trust = not telegraphing interest
      Attraction = increasing her horniness by making her emotional (emotionally aroused, not necessarily physically aroused.. the former will cause her to be too illogical to prevent you from causing the latter, when she's ready)

      Don't tell anyone about this. All knowledge will be denied and you will be ridiculed.



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      Nothing to be ridiculed about, Ranma

      I think the "secret society" analogy does hold, in the sense that a lot of people are unwilling to accept that emotions and feelings (such as love) are the result of a chemical process. That would mean that emotions are really an abstraction. There's nothing wrong with that at all. But people like to believe there is a mystical power called "love"... that's how you get all these hopeless romantic types. I belive the people who created the material you link to call it oneitis

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      I know all about oneitis. And really. If you watch the johnny soporno vids, a lot of oneitis is BS once you really understands what he talks about. a lot of people have great long term relationships, the only twist is is they almost always fail if they are only exclusive.
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      I don't think they're destined to fail if they're exclusive. When I think one-itis, I'm thinking more like when you have the ridiculous attitude that all women are flawless angels to be bowed down to. Sorry, no... they smell, they fart all the time, and their morning breath should be canned, and sold as a bug bomb. It's when guys put girls on a pedestal and claim to be "in love" with them even though they've, er, never even SPOKEN to them for more than a minute. Kinda like...... **cough** every girl problem in the Help forum **cough**

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      That's the exact reason why i get turned off by some women. They actually think they belong on a pedestal.
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