Thread: Whats with the Bush Administration and the Media?

In Iraq something like 2% of the Insurgency are Al Qaeda militants. Obviously Al Qaeda comprises a very small minority of the Insurgency.

So why is the Bush Administration and the media seemingly so enthusiastic to blame al qaeda for everything that happens there and pin most of the things that go on down there on Al Qaeda when statistically speaking it is very unlikely Al Qaeda is behind a majority of the attacks on the occupying armies and sucide bombings.

Whats with the distortions in the media? Its almost if the Bush Adnistration is intentionally making this fallacy about al qaeda up to justify the occupation?

Furthermore i notice the Bush Administration in particular is reather keen to label the insurgency "thugs and baby killers" when the insurgency is not all united under one banner thus the actions of one insurgent cant speak for the actions of onother and plus about 76% of all the attacks in Iraq are directed at occupying soldiers.

I can't wait until we have a new president to make fun of.

You see this in the media because the Bush Admin has been backed into a corner from literally 30 or 40 sides. In the eyes of the rest of the media, Goerge Bush has done EVERYTHING wrong. Hes only saying what can keep him alive.

Originally Posted by dragonoverlord

Whats with the distortions in the media?

Distortions in the media? Wha? This is new...

The recent military surge has been able to surpress the recent increase of freedom fighter activies against the US occupation forces. This is a major blow against the Iraqis, and we have been able to seize control of vital areas to prevent the Iraqis from further violence against our troops.

Hmm doesn't sound the same does it?

Originally Posted by Alric

The recent military surge has been able to surpress the recent increase of freedom fighter activies against the US occupation forces. This is a major blow against the Iraqis, and we have been able to seize control of vital areas to prevent the Iraqis from further violence against our troops.

Hmm doesn't sound the same does it?

Alric what are you trying to get at im abit confused at what your trying to get across?

That to the media its more important that we look good than to actually report the facts, which makes us look horrible at times.

Is it really hard to tell why? Because they want people to think that going into Iraq was the right thing to do. That we're attacking those that attacked us. I can't believe the number of people that don't realize that there was no Al Qaeda in Iraq before 2003.

Originally Posted by Alric

The recent military surge has been able to surpress the recent increase of freedom fighter activies against the US occupation forces. This is a major blow against the Iraqis, and we have been able to seize control of vital areas to prevent the Iraqis from further violence against our troops.

Hmm doesn't sound the same does it?

LOL freedom fighters.

Originally Posted by Kushna Mufeed

Distortions in the media? Wha? This is new...

Ya but these distortions are ones that caught my eye more then the other ones...

Originally Posted by dragonoverlord

In Iraq something like 2% of the Insurgency are Al Qaeda militants. Obviously Al Qaeda comprises a very small minority of the Insurgency.

So why is the Bush Administration and the media seemingly so enthusiastic to blame al qaeda for everything that happens there and pin most of the things that go on down there on Al Qaeda when statistically speaking it is very unlikely Al Qaeda is behind a majority of the attacks on the occupying armies and sucide bombings.

Whats with the distortions in the media? Its almost if the Bush Adnistration is intentionally making this fallacy about al qaeda up to justify the occupation?

Al Qaeda might make the news more than the others because they are better at doing the wonderful things they do for the world than the untrained nut bags who aren't so professional at sending retarded girls into public places to mindlessly kill lots and lots of people and animals, but I think most Americans are under the same impression that I am. That is the impression that most of the insurgent psychopath terrorists who despise democracy are regular Iraqi Joes who have been brainwashed by ther horrible culture that we are there to civilize and keep free, now that they are free. Their mental state is a good indication that democracy/freedom (thus prosperity and civilization) is necessary in that part of the world.

Originally Posted by dragonoverlord

Furthermore i notice the Bush Administration in particular is reather keen to label the insurgency "thugs and baby killers" when the insurgency is not all united under one banner thus the actions of one insurgent cant speak for the actions of onother and plus about 76% of all the attacks in Iraq are directed at occupying soldiers.

They are LITERALLY thugs and baby killers. It does not mean they are all united. The fact that most of their attacks are against Coalition soldiers, who are people too and people who deserve much more respect than most people, does not take away the fact that the thugs and baby killers are thugs who kill babies on purpose. My opinion is that you are bitching about the wrong people. After what Al Qaeda did in Spain, don't you have anything bad to say about the terrorists who want YOU dead? I can promise you that they are not our soldiers. Most of our soldiers would risk their necks to save your life. You can take that one to the bank. Do you think any of the thugs and baby killers in the Iraqi insurgency would be willing to do that? No, they would not, but they would love to kill your sinful infidel Western ass. That is a fact.

One of the soldiers you are talking about is Half/Dreaming. Did you know that? He is about to go over there to fight as a matter of fact. Can you tell me in all honesty that you have more of a problem with him than you do with Al Qaeda and other terrorists? I keep seeing you bitch about my country, and ONLY my country, and my country is on your damn side.

Originally Posted by Alric

The recent military surge has been able to surpress the recent increase of freedom fighter activies against the US occupation forces. This is a major blow against the Iraqis, and we have been able to seize control of vital areas to prevent the Iraqis from further violence against our troops.

You sound like you actually want the insurgent terrorists to target innocents and kill them. Could you explain your term "freedom fighter"? It is freedom that they are against, and their actions are the very thing keeping us there. If they hadn't been mindlessly killing people all over the place, we would have had no reason or even an excuse to stay there. What are those psychopaths doing to help the cause of "freedom"? They are killing Iraqi civilians in large numbers ON PURPOSE in the name of ending democracy. What could you possibly like about that? What are they helping?

I just copied what they usually say and changed the words. Thats not really my opinion of how it went, I was just showing how easy is to spin the facts to make it look however you want. They are basicly iraqi rebels. The media tries to make them sound worse by calling them insurgance. Though someone could also call them freedom fighters to make them look better. All three words basicly mean the same thing but they are changed in a subtle attempt to influence your outlook.

Of course what the media is currently doing isn't exactly subtle anymore. To put it simply its war propaganda.

Originally Posted by Alric

I just copied what they usually say and changed the words. Thats not really my opinion of how it went, I was just showing how easy is to spin the facts to make it look however you want. They are basicly iraqi rebels. The media tries to make them sound worse by calling them insurgance. Though someone could also call them freedom fighters to make them look better. All three words basicly mean the same thing but they are changed in a subtle attempt to influence your outlook.

Of course what the media is currently doing isn't exactly subtle anymore. To put it simply its war propaganda.

I just don't understand why anybody would ever dream of calling them "freedom fighters" in seriousness. They HATE the idea of freedom. The Western club going, strip club loving, beer drinking, VH1 and Paris Hilton celebrating, spring break world they see the U.S., Canada, Europe, and Australia (honorary Western nation) as being is what has them pissing fire. They think freedom in Iraq means Iraq is way up in line to join the sinful infidel party. Freedom is exactly what they are fighting against, not that what they are doing is effective in that direction.

Can anybody else tell me how the rotten bastards we are talking about are "freedom fighters"?

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

I just don't understand why anybody would ever dream of calling them "freedom fighters" in seriousness. They HATE the idea of freedom. The Western club going, strip club loving, beer drinking, VH1 and Paris Hilton celebrating, spring break world they see the U.S., Canada, Europe, and Australia (honorary Western nation) as being is what has them pissing fire. They think freedom in Iraq means Iraq is way up in line to join the sinful infidel party. Freedom is exactly what they are fighting against, not that what they are doing is effective in that direction.

Can anybody else tell me how the rotten bastards we are talking about are "freedom fighters"?

Bullshit. I have a lot of respect for you, UM, but you are just buying into Bush propaganda. They don't attack us because they hate freedom. They attack us because we are over there. They hate us because we occupy their countries and set up military bases. Their goal is to drive us into wars that we cannot win. They are trying to bankrupt us. And when we spend trillions of dollars on this war, they get exactly what they want. The last thing the terrorists want is for us to withdraw.

Originally Posted by 27

Bullshit. I have a lot of respect for you, UM, but you are just buying into Bush propaganda. They don't attack us because they hate freedom. They attack us because we are over there. They hate us because we occupy their countries and set up military bases. Their goal is to drive us into wars that we cannot win. They are trying to bankrupt us. And when we spend trillions of dollars on this war, they get exactly what they want. The last thing the terrorists want is for us to withdraw.

You are buying into left wing fanatic propaganda. Some of the insurgents are Al Qaeda, right? Have you read the answer to Q2 of Bin Laden's letter to America? It details exactly what I am talking about. It is also a fact that the other asshole insurgents are brainwashed Muslims who believe that the MTV lifestyle I talked about is as infidel as it gets. The governments who make their women bury themselves under blankets to go to the quick stop should clue you in on the reality of what I am talking about. Insurgents are coming from every country in the Middle East.

How is the insurgency making us not be in Iraq? It is our reason for being there. It was the reason for the surge. It is the reason John McCain is talking about being there another 100 years. The insurgency is not a countermeasure to our presence. I would love for you to explain how it possibly could be. It is a countermeasure to the stability of democracy. They are terrified of democracy. Did you ever read what Zarqawi said about democracy? He said it is evil and that it must be stopped.

Read the full answer to Q2 of this...

http://www.buzzle.com/editorials/11-24-2002-30919.asp

Analysis:

http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...ad.php?t=44733

Zarqawi quote:

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/009294.php

By the way, don't you know after reading my posts in the R/S forum that I come nowhere near trusting stuff just because Bush says it? The son of a bitch said I am not a real American because I am an atheist. He is not exactly my favorite person on Earth. I just think his Middle East policies make logical sense for the long run. They are exactly what I would support even if he had never said anything about them and we had zero troops in the Middle East.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

I just don't understand why anybody would ever dream of calling them "freedom fighters" in seriousness. They HATE the idea of freedom. The Western club going, strip club loving, beer drinking, VH1 and Paris Hilton celebrating, spring break world they see the U.S., Canada, Europe, and Australia (honorary Western nation) as being is what has them pissing fire.

I wouldn't call them freedom fighters either.

On the other hand, I'm sick and tired of the argument that they are "freedom haters." They are haters of the west, Christianity, and especially the US. But nobody hates freedom.

If it were freedom they were attacking, how come we never hear about them attacking Norway, for example? They have much more personal freedom than we do. Or Sweden, or Iceland, or Switzerland, or the Netherlands? All of these places are much more "free" than the US in almost any way one could measure.

Well how would we feel if cuba starting stocking nuclear missiles? Then canada got invada by China. Then in mexico there was a military coup and their leader got replaced and suddenly they were great friends with China. Then China begins to send battleships and aircraft carriers to surround our country on both sides. Then mexico invades the country to the south of them. Then china builds huge military bases in canada. Then China comes in and kills off our military and you see tanks driving up and down he streets, everyday for years to come.

So why are there insurgances? It might have to do with the high deal of stress of having stuff explode all around them, and having an occupation force in their country. There probably scared to death, and worried about what is going to happen and some of them probably snapped. They are desperate for it to stop so they lash out and do crazy stuff. Then a group comes in and says they can get rid of all the problems, and they are willing to believe it. Its there only hope.

Originally Posted by skysaw

On the other hand, I'm sick and tired of the argument that they are "freedom haters." They are haters of the west, Christianity, and especially the US. But nobody hates freedom.

Yes, there are people who HATE freedom. Especially Islamic extremists. They believe free human beings are more sinful, and since they have freedom they are more likely to care less about God. To them, the best way to please God is to force a certain lifestyle on everybody. Freedom threatens their lifestyle. Wether or not it is because they have no self control, I do not know.