Thread: Planet X Approaching 2012.

Originally Posted by L

Go and prove me wrong.

Originally Posted by L

...it can be seen in the sky (East coast).

Originally Posted by L

Nasa revealed its existence which is 3-4 times the mass of earth

...beyond 7 billion miles from the sun."

This in itself is proof.

An object only 3-4 (or even 4-8, according to the OP) times the mass of earth as far away as you claim being visible to the naked eye? Worse, during daylight according to those photos!

Let's put this in perspective, shall we?

Jupiter's Volume is 1321 that of Earth's, even though it is only about 318 times the mass of Earth. The low mass is due to its being mostly or entirely made out of gasses. The closest Jupiter gets to Earth is about 390 million miles. At such times, you can actually see it with your naked eye, though not with the sun glaring.

Even if planet X were composed of light gasses and with a similar density to Jupiter, it would be about 40 times smaller even at your largest estimate of 8 Earth Masses. At 7 billion miles from the sun, it would be about 18 times further away, making it about one 720th the apparent size of Jupiter at its closest Earth approach. It would take a damn powerful telescope to pick this up optically.

Can we move on yet?

Ehm...Actually you are supposed to prove us wrong, not the other way around. This is just you choosing the easy way out, without having to show us evidence.

Originally Posted by L

The significance of Planet X is that it opposes several questions as well several answers towards our past. This thread was created for us to conclude, its existence because it can be seen in the sky (East coast). It might as well be fake, but i wouldn't be so sure especially when our past planets discoveries were concluded as fake until they were spotted. People tend to see the object before believing, this is the biggest mistake a human could do. Our Visual sense is far from perfect. And filters mostly 8x%+

The video i posted in this thread, has been reviewed in my college as part of the program. Not even a single teacher could point out thats its "Fake", because they have the lack of knowledge about it. Nasa revealed its existence which is 3-4 times the mass of earth. We can also conclude that it has planets orbiting it. We dont loose anything by doing so.
The links i provided were for Xei, due to his lazy attitude of reading and listening, i pointed out those links. Now, debating with him on something he hasnt even looked at makes me just close this thread. Its disrespectful and arrogant towards a community member.

I took my time, and posted the links, take your time and review them before jumping on me like a rabbit. If you dont know, just call NASA headquarters. You pay them your tax money, let them inform you about it. If you dont believe the people around internet. Than get your ass up and research it your self.

My point view of this upcoming event, is none. I went trough allot of garbage and experiences. In this world, anything is possible for each of us. Those who keep a open mind, will eventually experience the unexperienced.

Why don't you guys, go and try to proove me wrong? give me some valuable links, so i could review them. Aren't we a community who is supposed to help each other? if thats so, i don't see it happening.

The conclusion i made was made purposely for you to prove me wrong. As you see, the only thing i see in this thread, is some activity that goes against my factor. Without you backing it up.

Xei.: If your so smart, mind telling me why haven't you linked me to a source that has accurate information towards the fakeness of planet x?
-If so, than link me to it. If your lazy to do that, than why the heck do you post here, is it because of the posts counts?

I took my time and gave you the links, and once again you have declined its Source as fake. I have nothing else to say towards you.

Go and prove me wrong.

God I love this thread

Originally Posted by Timothy Paradox

Ehm...Actually you are supposed to prove us wrong, not the other way around. This is just you choosing the easy way out, without having to show us evidence.

I'm gonna ask you once again, have you looked at my links?

-If so, proove something wrong in that video.
-If so, Show me links that contradict its existance.

I provided my evidence, take it as you want, but having the time to reply in my thread , means you have time to look at the evidence i provided.
The one choosing the easy way around is you. That statement, just proves me how little you know on the specific subject. You tend to follow the same path as the others do, by contradicting me, without having any significant proof.

This also explains why most of you have these conclusions of "Collision" from, you draw that from the links i provided, they are not related to my own conclusion. If you would have read my first post, you would have seen the conclusion i stated. It has nothing to do with planets collision. "It is a probability" that the planets could somehow collide with each other. It is the same thing as invading a country that has no nuclear weapons. The probability is low, and yet worth of exploring.

Stop asking me to prove you wrong, because for me, a lie has some truth in it. I tend to accept everything as a possibility, and at the same time reject its existence.

Our past scientist have been proven wrong about many things, such as atoms, nuclear power. And yet, we discovered that we were indeed wrong. And that those who tried to show us the possibility, were rejected as garbage. This is a common factor, we all humans have.

Give me links that contradict the links i provided.

L,

I already contradicted your post with sound mathematics. Care to address it?

Xei.: If your so smart, mind telling me why haven't you linked me to a source that has accurate information towards the fakeness of planet x?

I simply read the Wikipedia article on Planet X.

The source of information that shows that no other body is needed to explain any eccentricities in planetary orbits is The Neptune File: A Story of Astronomical Rivalry and the Pioneers of Planet Hunting, by Tom Standage, pg. 188, and also there's a good page at this website: http://kencroswell.com/HopesFadeInHuntForPlanetX.html

There's also a good one here: http://www.planet-x.150m.com/

-If so, proove something wrong in that video.
Our past scientist have been proven wrong about many things, such as atoms, nuclear power. And yet, we discovered that we were indeed wrong.

Well, you win the prize for general ignorance of how the scientific method works.

Something that is 4-8 times the mass of the Earth could never be a brown dwarf star. Jupiter is about 317.8 times the mass of the earth, and yet that planet hasn't even gone through the supposed stages of a brown dwarf star. Jupiter even emits it's own radiation, but it's hardly a star by any means.

Now... if something with the mass of 4-8 Earths could cause such chaos, first of all... it'll need to come close enough to the Earth in order for gravitational forces to work their wonder. Second, the orbits will need to coincide in a specific manner in order for these gravitational forces to occur. And thirdly, if something like this was on it's way, we would certainly know about it in the mainstream media. The vids simply stink of doom-saying and the like, and ANYTHING that quotes the bible and various religious texts and tries to make it scientific fact just does not stick with me.

I've heard enough messages of incoming apocalypses, I've even had dreams of nuclear destruction, etc... But have they happened? No... and I don't think it will happen. To be honest, if it comes, so what. At least things will get interesting, so to speak.

Xei, if you didnt know, wiki is one of the worst sources you could ask for validation from.
They are a organization that profits on donations, and regulates its sources with world wide individuals. The reliability of that is 30-35%.

The issue in this thread is, the factor of ignorance. We could have easely discuss the probability's on how the magnetic field of the 12th planet could affect our own.
And discuss what measures the government takes in order to save them selfs.

Such as underground bases : http://www.ufos-aliens.co.uk/cosmicunder.html

South Pole Telescope (SPT) — America’s New Planet X :Tracker:
http://yowusa.com/planetx/2006/planetx-2006-04a/1.shtml

Now can someone of you tell me, why is Nasa spending all that money on that South Pole telescope to track planet x? if its really a fake, why are we building it with our own money? We could have easily spend that money for our own education and space programs.

Tell me , if it really was that fake, why did the scientist allow the building of the telescope. Why did the space agency allow its construction and the budget to go trough. As we all know, it extends to millions of $$.

Im sure that our government wouldn't waste their money for nothing, after all they like to keep $$ in their own pockets. And yet here we see, a project that is supposedly taken as fake.

Contradict me on this one. I would like to see the responses.

When I see that red thing in the sky in 2009, I'll think you are somewhat right. But who's to say that the red thing will cause all of that?

Since when did I link you to Wikipedia?? I just gave you three separate sources of information and you just completely ignored them.

And NASA isn't using the telescope to track Planet X (congratulations, by the way, for linking to the same ebook selling website YET AGAIN as evidence for that). You can read about it here: http://spt.uchicago.edu/public/science.html

All I had to do for that one was Google for South Pole Telescope...

Originally Posted by Xei

Since when did I link you to Wikipedia?? I just gave you three separate sources of information and you just completely ignored them.

And NASA isn't using the telescope to track Planet X (congratulations, by the way, for linking to the same ebook selling website YET AGAIN as evidence for that). You can read about it here: http://spt.uchicago.edu/public/science.html

All I had to do for that one was Google for South Pole Telescope...

Infra-red sky searches are usually conducted on space-based platforms, like IRAS in the 1980s, and SIRTF, soon to be launched. There are some telescopes on the ground, in Hawaii and Chile, which make use of altitude to minimise the affect of atmospheric water vapour absorbing the infra-red radiation travelling through the atmosphere from space. But even these locations only allow for a study of part of the whole I.R. spectrum. It seems as thought Antarctica may also be joining the list of Earth-based sites facilitating infra-red studies, vital to the detection of brown dwarfs and other exotic astronomical objects:

"A new 10 meter diameter telescope is being constructed for deployment at the NSF South Pole research station. The telescope is designed for conducting large-area millimeter and sub-millimeter wave surveys of faint, low contrast emission, as required to map primary and secondary anisotropies in the cosmic microwave background. The SPT is a collaboration between the U of Chicago, UC Berkley, Case Western Reserve University, U of Illinois, and Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory, and its primarily funded thought NSF OPP."

http://spt.uchicago.edu/ Thanks to Mattia

"The first key project will be to conduct a survey over approximately 4000 degrees for galaxy clusters using the Sunyaev-Zel'dovich Effect. This survey should find many thousands of clusters with a mass selection criteria that is remarkably uniform with redshift. Armed with redshifts obtained from optical and infrared follow-up observations, it is expected that the survey will enable significant constraints to be placed on the equation of state of the dark energy."

Now tell me how that contradicts the planet x theory.

You just challenged everybody to refute your claim that the SPT is being built to track Planet X! Remember??

And you still said nothing about the other links you asked me for.

Oh forget it, you clearly have deep underlying mental issues, or you simply enjoy wasting people's time.

Man, come one...
You're just like those theïsts... You just come up with a story you can't prove right or wrong and cause confusion.

Where's Carousoul when you need him? I remember him talking about a flying spaghetti monster...

You gave me a link that describes the telescope characteristics and abilities.
For the public view.

I asked you to tell me how it contradicts the tracking of Planet x. It has all the measures it needs to track Dwarf's. And other planets with its infrared sensor.

And the link i provided you is part of a press release. And please the one wasting time is you. On the contrary i asked for sources that could prove me wrong. Which haven't been posted yet.

You attack me back by saying i need to post more links to prove you wrong.
The issue is prove you wrong in what. Everything you said is not backed up.

We can continue to argue, but we will get nowhere its a waste of time.
Either way, i assume you want to continue contradicting me. As part of your wasting time plan.

L, you are clearly an idiot. If you are a troll and you all you wanted to do was extract this response, then fine, but you are still an idiot.

If you aren't a troll, then gosh darn I feel sorry for you.

Oh and, by the way, Wikipedia is a more credible source than www.yowusa.com, which you have been citing consistently as though it were.

Time waster.

Originally Posted by Identity X

L, you are clearly an idiot. If you are a troll and you all you wanted to do was extract this response, then fine, but you are still an idiot.

If you aren't a troll, then gosh darn I feel sorry for you.

Mature response from an individual who has no brains on his own.
Calling me a troll , just says how insignificant your intellect is.

A direct attack like that does not require you to use your little brain.
How about you use them to contradict me, If you of course can.

Be mature kid, theres no need for direct insults. After all we are all grown ups here am i right?

Originally Posted by Timothy Paradox

Man, come one...
You're just like those theïsts... You just come up with a story you can't prove right or wrong and cause confusion.

Where's Carousoul when you need him? I remember him talking about a flying spaghetti monster...

I think it's in a three way battle between chuck norris and bruce lee. Probably that's what's causing all the destruction and chaos... it's merely collateral damage from such an epic battle.

Originally Posted by L

How about you use them to contradict me, If you of course can.

You've been proved wrong umpteen times in this thread, I felt no need to exert myself in order to do it again, as you'd only accuse it of being false or not "credible".

If you go back to the previous page you would find that I was verging on compassionate then. I really do get concerned about suggestable folks like you who take in anything sensational and turn a deaf ear to sense and objectivity.

I don't really want to believe you opened this thread to antagonise, but you have stubbornly and foolishly rejected well-meaning reason.

There are better ways of seeking attention.

Mature response from an individual who has no brains on his own.
Calling me a troll , just says how insignificant your intellect is.

Is there anybody you haven't said that to yet?

We'd all be deeply hurt, I'm sure, if it wasn't coming from the guy who educates us about how taxes are largely spent on 'education and space'.

Seeking attention? may i ask how old are you?

I dont think we are here to seek attention are we? , after all we all have a life to live.

Noone has proven me wrong in this thread. Go back and re read the thread. And show me what has been proven wrong.

The main thing that comes to mind is Planet X, for a start.

Originally Posted by Timothy Paradox

If I wake up januari 1 2013, and nothing has changed; I'm gonna blow something up. I mean seriously, I want change, good OR bad.
I think this "theory" is crap.

It would actually be December 21-22, 2012, if that's what you're getting at.

Originally Posted by Xei

The main thing that comes to mind is Planet X, for a start.

Sharp.

L, I am 21 years old tomorrow, I am well educated, and I would consider myself sensible and sound of mind. You?

Why do I always have to think of the words "Lock thread, ban N00B" when I see this thread..?
It's obvious that this is no productive "debate".