Thread: Why i think the USA won't Nuke or invade Iran

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

My point was that the insurgency is what is keeping our very large number of troops in Iraq. That fact proves that the insurgency is not about getting us to leave. It would have to be for something else. Based on comments from Al Qaeda leaders and other insurgent terrorists, it is apparent that the insurgency is about preventing the success of democracy. The things you are saying completely miss that issue. I am having a great deal of trouble getting you to clear it up.

http://www.defenddemocracy.org/resea...?doc_id=258170

In a widely disseminated Internet audiotape, Zarqawi didn't merely say that he opposed the mechanics or timing of the U.S.-run elections being held today in Iraq to choose a 275-member assembly and transitional government. And he didn't say he thought Iraqis should wait and vote after U.S. occupation forces depart. No, Zarqawi said that he opposes any elections under any circumstances.

http://www.buzzle.com/editorials/11-24-2002-30919.asp

(i) You are the nation who, rather than ruling by the Shariah of Allah in its Constitution and Laws, choose to invent your own laws as you will and desire. You separate religion from your policies, contradicting the pure nature which affirms Absolute Authority to the Lord and your Creator. You flee from the embarrassing question posed to you: How is it possible for Allah the Almighty to create His creation, grant them power over all the creatures and land, grant them all the amenities of life, and then deny them that which they are most in need of: knowledge of the laws which govern their lives?

If someone invades your country you don't just put up with the occupation and say ok i will wait till they are good and happy and let them leave whenever they want to. Its like some fat obnoxious guys comes into your house and starts going through the fridge. You dont say okay dude stay and leave when you are satisfied i wont mind!. This is what you are suggesting the Iraqies should have done. That is a ridiculous notion.

And yes the insurgency is what makes lots of americans want to leave Iraq. It is seen as a unwinnable fight much like in Vietnam. You droped more bombs on vietnam then all of the bombs dropped in WWII, you gassed the jungle and you fought for the longest time in Vietnam killing up to a million people some estimates are higher. You also lost 50,000 soldiers of your own.

Despite all the odds stacked against them the Viet Kong outlasted you guys at a great cost to their people, their healths (ie huge amounts of the jungle were gassed with experimental chemicals.) When a people are determined to have their country free of occupation they will stop it nothing to do so. Face it Iraq is like Veitnam, unwinnable.

Remember the Insurgency is keeping up the pressure, the insurgency took over the job that the Iraqi army couldnt do. IE fight of the invaders and occupation.

I find it difficult to accept "Democracy" that is propagated by occupiers as legitimate,I also find it hard to dismiss that officials in the Gov might be USA stooges but thats just me and this is true of lots of people in Iraq to, like Zarqawi. "Democracy" propagated by occupiers is not to be accepted as legitimate in my opinion anyway. Only a trully independent country can be a democracy.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

I have come across the term "Jewry" a few times, and I have never heard it in a positive tone. Maybe it is not negative by itself, but it seems to always be used that way. It makes me think of Eric Cartman on South Park and Archie Bunker on All in the Family.

Obviously we both have come across the word in two different contexts,I still maintain that is not a slur or insult in anyway although i can understand how it sounds that way. I have nothing against jews or Judaism. Actually i consider Judaism to be the secound most un arrogant relegion.(#1 is buddhism). In judaism they beleive that no matter what reelgion you are you go to heaven if you live a good life and they dont beleive in hell either. Its an interesting relegion and its interesting to see how christianity strayed from the path of its parent relegion. Like i said man the only relegion or relegious group i dont like is christianity and christians im cool with all the others including judaism and Jews. I dont usually sterotype a whole relegion or ethnic group just cause a few of the ppl did something i dont like. thats bigotry, Im only a bigot against christianity......

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

I think it is best to see them as individuals and not sides. The "side" stuff is what keeps the conflict going. They should all live together as free individuals. Anything short of that is an ethnocentric system. Democracy of equality, which has many forms, is the only legitimate form of government.

Dude the whole conflict is ethnocentric. Israel is a jewish state,look at the flag read the national anthem.They look out for the interests of jews in the region althougha dmittedly israel has a large muslim-arab population. Anyway its irrrevelant to me. Rmember what i said earlier Israel will be a majority arab nation probably before its 100th birthday thanks to the high emigration rate of Sabras(native born israelies) and the low emigration rate of israeli arabs plus their high birth rates.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

So you support suicide bombings that kill innocent people. Could you please explain what they accomplish, specifically? You seem to be saying that they spread misery correspondingly. I don't see how that is good at all. What good does it do exactly? It just seems like extra tragedy.

Suicide bombings are part of a cycle of violence. A suicide bomber blows up israel destroys and bulldozes a neighbourhood in retrubition.(Im not kidding here they actually do that and its against the geneva conventions its collective punishement,in other words its a war crime. Interestingly enough no israeli generals have been tried for war crimes).

However i recognize the fact that suicide bombings are the best medium from which to conduct resistance since its not a fair fight. High tech army verse irregular guerrillas. If the Palestinians want to use them then so be it, far from me to condem them since they work relatively well but i also recognize the fact that they are part of the cycle of violence that i mentioned earlier.