Thread: Are alien Abductions really happening?

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Originally Posted by Mes Tarrant

Ouch! Wow, look at you spit your wrath at me, The Unbeliever! How incredibly mature. I envy you and your communication skills.

Sorry, but I totally agree with Seis. I can report missing time all you want, too. Doesn't mean anything I say is legitimate. And I didn't mention "fame" anywhere in there, but I appreciate you stuffing words into my mouth.

That's what all of these things are: stories. Point me to a source of legitimate research, I'd be interested in seeing that.




In any case, if this rocks your boat then fine... not here to wage war on the belief in alien abductions. It is a little humorous though to see the lack of will to discuss these things with people who don't share those views.

Well mes. Please understand that i don't believe this as fact. But i consider it a serious possibilty. there's no need for sarcasm, since i didn't use any. What i am sick of in this world are people, who take the reality handed down to them as fact and as the only possible truth. And completely ignore everything else. This very mentality cause ignorance and the very attitudes which people base wars and genocide on. I'm not saying you are a genocidal maniac. I'm just saying That stomping into this thread and going on a rant about how stupid the idea is, is a cause for concern for me to question your line of thinking. so please lose the sarcasm, and come up with a VALID ARGUMENT based on research.

You might wanna start with a book called "sight unseen" by budd hopkins.
And Seriously, who gives a fuck if it is just stories? Stories are a powerfull medium, and make people think and excite the imagination. People make scientific discoveries all the time based solely on something that CAME FROM THEIR IMAGINATION. The Ancient Celts had no written history, and passed their history down for hundreds of years by word of mouth without one word changed.

Originally Posted by dragonoverlord

no

Yes.

Originally Posted by Elwood

Yes.

You wanna take this outside punk! "rolls up sleeve"

Originally Posted by dragonoverlord

You wanna take this outside punk! "rolls up sleeve"

"Hey, just take it easy man"

So why didn't he use a camera to see what was happening.
He would find out something. Either that nothing is happening, that it's in his head. That he is actually leaving his bed. Or the really tricky stuff, that the tape is ruined due to unexplained phenomena, for example.

It's a serious question and sorry if it was already covered somewhere. It's the only thing that's missing with all these cases, some sort of proof. We have dead cows and lachupacabra bites (sp?), but without any direct proof anything could've happened.
That's what I would do in his place. Rig the room with cameras. If the abductions would still be happening without the visual proof, then it's all in your head. Aliens or no aliens, it's a step to solving the problem.

It would at least solve the abductions happening at night in bed.

There's no way at present for us to know if it's happening, and it's likely that it isn't.

But let's for a moment put ourselves into the role of the interstellar space traveller, looking for new forms of life. With the trillions and trillions of worlds out there, chances are that there are other life forms here and there. If we found a world to explore that contained life on it that was not quite as intelligent as ourselves, how would we procede?

Whatever crew we sent out would be there to study. The best chances for continued study would be to keep ourselves concealed as best we could. It would be useful for us to take some specimens of life and perform a few tests before returning them to their homes.

Where do we look for a good specimen? Well, this species seems to be all over the planet, but in the heavily populated areas there are simply too many witnesses. Let's concentrate on the rural outskirts, and pick up people at night to further conceal ourselves.

So could it happen? Absolutely! And if it did, it isn't too far-fetched to imagine it might look like the typically detailed encounter. There is bound to be life out there intelligent enough to have mastered insterstellar travel. If they found somewhat intelligent life on Earth, they would of course feel compelled to study it. It would be unusual for them to choose not to study it.

Whether or not the typical tales of abduction are anything further than fantasy, dream state, hallucination, or fabrication, there still could be life-form study missions from other worlds.

No. Sleep paralysis explains everything about alien abductions. Is there life outside of earth? Almost undoubtedly. Is there intelligent life outside of earth? Possibly. Do extra terrestrial intelligent beings come to earth to mutilate cattle and probe humans? I see no reason or proof in favor of it.

Originally Posted by 27

Do extra terrestrial intelligent beings come to earth to mutilate cattle and probe humans? I see no reason or proof in favor of it.

I don't either, and I hope you didn't read my post that way. There's certainly no proof that I'm aware of. I was just pointing out that the idea of it happening isn't completely far-fetched in terms of how alien contact might play out.

Originally Posted by skysaw

I don't either, and I hope you didn't read my post that way. There's certainly no proof that I'm aware of. I was just pointing out that the idea of it happening isn't completely far-fetched in terms of how alien contact might play out.

Sorry, I wasn't responding to your post, just the original question of "are alien abductions really happening?".

Originally Posted by 27

No. Sleep paralysis explains everything about alien abductions. Is there life outside of earth? Almost undoubtedly. Is there intelligent life outside of earth? Possibly. Do extra terrestrial intelligent beings come to earth to mutilate cattle and probe humans? I see no reason or proof in favor of it.

Having experienced sleep paralysis and night terrors on occasion, I don't see how they translate into lengthy, detailed experiences of being "drawn into a light" and operated upon. My best guess is that these experiences are the subjective interpretation of an extraordinary conscious state brought on by chronic or extreme stress, a kind of therapeutic seizure.

Originally Posted by Taosaur

Having experienced sleep paralysis and night terrors on occasion, I don't see how they translate into lengthy, detailed experiences of being "drawn into a light" and operated upon. My best guess is that these experiences are the subjective interpretation of an extraordinary conscious state brought on by chronic or extreme stress, a kind of therapeutic seizure.

How are alien abductions theraputic? from what i have read on them they seem quite stressful.

Originally Posted by dragonoverlord

How are alien abductions theraputic? from what i have read on them they seem quite stressful.

They tend to be semi-transcendent experiences for the "abductees," frightening but also ecstatic. According to the couple of psychologists I've read/heard on the matter, the result is often much like near-death experiences--people are calmer, less concerned with childhood trauma, and generally less worried about the past or future.

Originally Posted by Taosaur

Having experienced sleep paralysis and night terrors on occasion, I don't see how they translate into lengthy, detailed experiences of being "drawn into a light" and operated upon. My best guess is that these experiences are the subjective interpretation of an extraordinary conscious state brought on by chronic or extreme stress, a kind of therapeutic seizure.

Where a lot of the detailed stories originate come from hypnosis sessions that create false memories. Hypnosis is a great tool in certain cases but the use of it that brings back "supressed memories" actually causes the mind to construct false memories. For the whole abduction thing Im a skeptic. There is no evidence of it and personal testimonies can be false or inaccurate.

Originally Posted by skysaw

There's no way at present for us to know if it's happening, and it's likely that it isn't.

But let's for a moment put ourselves into the role of the interstellar space traveller, looking for new forms of life. With the trillions and trillions of worlds out there, chances are that there are other life forms here and there. If we found a world to explore that contained life on it that was not quite as intelligent as ourselves, how would we procede?

Whatever crew we sent out would be there to study. The best chances for continued study would be to keep ourselves concealed as best we could. It would be useful for us to take some specimens of life and perform a few tests before returning them to their homes.

Where do we look for a good specimen? Well, this species seems to be all over the planet, but in the heavily populated areas there are simply too many witnesses. Let's concentrate on the rural outskirts, and pick up people at night to further conceal ourselves.

So could it happen? Absolutely! And if it did, it isn't too far-fetched to imagine it might look like the typically detailed encounter. There is bound to be life out there intelligent enough to have mastered insterstellar travel. If they found somewhat intelligent life on Earth, they would of course feel compelled to study it. It would be unusual for them to choose not to study it.

Whether or not the typical tales of abduction are anything further than fantasy, dream state, hallucination, or fabrication, there still could be life-form study missions from other worlds.

Exactly, Look at what we do to animals in the Wild. first off we tag endangered species by tranquillizing them, tagging them and putting them back into the wild. The animals wake up dumbfounded. And you certainly don't tag a wild animal while it's awake and hunting. It is possible.

and for 27, i think it was you who said there's absolutely no proof that aliens come. Look up the disclosrue project on google. There's accounts from tons of people who held military, scientific, and even up into the black ops. These people have to be sound of mind to work and hold the positions that they do. their testimony speaks for itself and their positions within society: credible.

Originally Posted by ranma187

Exactly, Look at what we do to animals in the Wild. first off we tag endangered species by tranquillizing them, tagging them and putting them back into the wild. The animals wake up dumbfounded. And you certainly don't tag a wild animal while it's awake and hunting. It is possible.

and for 27, i think it was you who said there's absolutely no proof that aliens come. Look up the disclosrue project on google. There's accounts from tons of people who held military, scientific, and even up into the black ops. These people have to be sound of mind to work and hold the positions that they do. their testimony speaks for itself and their positions within society: credible.

That bit about people tagging wild animals and drugging them and what not really puts in perspective.

We are like those druged up and dumbfounded animals and the aliens are like us.

Originally Posted by ranma187

Exactly, Look at what we do to animals in the Wild. first off we tag endangered species by tranquillizing them, tagging them and putting them back into the wild. The animals wake up dumbfounded. And you certainly don't tag a wild animal while it's awake and hunting. It is possible.

and for 27, i think it was you who said there's absolutely no proof that aliens come. Look up the disclosrue project on google. There's accounts from tons of people who held military, scientific, and even up into the black ops. These people have to be sound of mind to work and hold the positions that they do. their testimony speaks for itself and their positions within society: credible.

Testimonies are not proof. Look, I absolutely believe that people experience these things. I'm sure they seem absolutely real to them, but it's nothing more than hallucinations caused by sleep paralysis.

27, you have to factor in the abductions that occur during the daytime. there are countless examples of those too. The disclosure project doesn't deal with abductions, it mainly deals with sightings. does someone flying a top of the line suddenly have sleep paralysis in mid-air suddenly causing him to see a UFO?

what about implants that have been documented and video taped?

Here whitley strieber talks about implants.

I saw a show about the supposed implants which are, as for as I know, the best (possibly only) physical evidence for abductions. Two of the implants were subjected to scientific tests. Both were easily explainable as to how they entered subjects bodies and neither were of extraterrestrial origin. Hey, I wish alien abductions were really happening, it'd be tremendously exciting. But right now, the evidence is overwhelmingly against the possibility of abductions.

can you post such references?

Originally Posted by ranma187

what about implants that have been documented and video taped?

Here whitley strieber talks about implants.

That's... Really stupid.

Why would an alien race put implants into us that we could find if they were so much more intelligent and wanted to stay hidden?

Originally Posted by Seismosaur

That's... Really stupid.

Why would an alien race put implants into us that we could find if they were so much more intelligent and wanted to stay hidden?

I guess it depends on the implant. A simple implant like on that may give off some kind of odd alternating repeating radio frequency is no proof at all of an alien implant. An implant made of something or that does something we've never seen before, that's when the real questions begin.

Maybe.

But again-- If they can zip across THOUSANDS of lightyears of space between here and there and are vastly superior, do you honsetly think any implant put in could be detected by us?