Thread: What combination creates the most discriminated person?

Okay.

That's a lot of people then.

I was referring to the Vikings and the Caucasion race that invaded india.

Oneiron I think the youtube vid actually did make my point. Mr. Marsh isn't racist at all... But yet come on...even you (a black person) thought the word was going to be nigger...not because black people are annoying, but because the word nigger itself is used to describe people that a racist person supremely doesn't like.

(south park season 11 episode 1 With Apologies to Jesse Jackson)

http://www.southparkstudios.com/episodes/

Let me put it to you this way...I would like to see the day when black people aren't the only people allowed to say whats up my niggas, when referring to actual black people. I realize white people can say it to other white people, or mixed audiences of black and whatever other color people, but specifically a white to black person it is "taboo."


I hate separation of black and white people. Why should I be thought of as different than a black person? So my skin is fucking white. What the fuck does that mean?

I know the main issue with black people feeling this way is slavery...but whites weren't the only people enslaving black people. Those african tribes were doing it too.

The slavery of black people wasn't because their skin was black, it was because they were one of the few people left on known Earth at the time that they could actually enslave. Native Americans were perhaps the only other people they could do it too, however it was necessary to cooperate with them so they couldn't go there.

It isn't a race thing, it's a freaking human thing. They exploit who they can.


I should add, I don't intend, or even want, to say the word nigger...in fact I forgot exactly why we are even discussing this anymore...
But like I said...I'm not sure of the origin of spook...but if you can call someone cracker why can't we call you somethig in relevance to your skin color?

Originally Posted by Sandform

Oneiron I think the youtube vid actually did make my point. Mr. Marsh isn't racist at all... But yet come on...even you (a black person) thought the word was going to be nigger...not because black people are annoying, but because the word nigger itself is used to describe people that a racist person supremely doesn't like.

Actually, no. I knew the word wasn't going to be nigger, because I was expecting a punchline.

Originally Posted by Sandform

(south park season 11 episode 1 With Apologies to Jesse Jackson)

http://www.southparkstudios.com/episodes/

Let me put it to you this way...I would like to see the day when black people aren't the only people allowed to say whats up my niggas, when referring to actual black people. I realize white people can say it to other white people, or mixed audiences of black and whatever other color people, but specifically a white to black person it is "taboo."

It's taboo because, generally, there is much less sincerity or perceptions of level ground, when a white person says it to a black person. Again, the stigma is to blame, at part. However, there is also the factor that a white person saying "what's up my nigga" (especially in pop culture) is because it was adapted as the "cool" thing to do. Many slang terms make their way from black to white communities because they are "fashionable". They are "hip." They are "in." Nigga is a term that comes with baggage. It's not quite the same as saying "what up dog," or "what's crackin?" In many circles, a white person's saying it is more acceptable (though not always completely), if that white person comes from a 'low-class', southern style background which has more in common with the blacks of the same social group. When Joey the Stetson U frat brother walks around saying it, though, there is usually going to be static.

It's a lot like playful banter between friends: I can walk up to anyone in my inner-circle of friends and say "What's up, bitch," and we'll have a laugh about it.

If anyone that we don't know walks up to one of us and says "What's up, bitch," there's going to be a fight.

Even in trying to "take the word back" as blacks have done, it seems that it's also been turned into a pop-culture 'point,' which pisses many people - to whom the word holds so much weight - off.

Originally Posted by Sandform

I hate separation of black and white people. Why should I be thought of as different than a black person? So my skin is fucking white. What the fuck does that mean?

So do I. You shouldn't. And 'nothing,' respectively.

Originally Posted by Sandform

I know the main issue with black people feeling this way is slavery...but whites weren't the only people enslaving black people. Those african tribes were doing it too.

Of course, but it was widespread throughout America, which is why black Americans have so much of a problem with it. We are still here, and the problem hasn't necessarily gone away. Were those of us that are here still over in Africa, then our stigma would have been toward those tribes.

Originally Posted by Sandform

The slavery of black people wasn't because their skin was black, it was because they were one of the few people left on known Earth at the time that they could actually enslave. Native Americans were perhaps the only other people they could do it too, however it was necessary to cooperate with them so they couldn't go there.

It isn't a race thing, it's a freaking human thing. They exploit who they can.

It didn't begin because their skin was black, but that is what it evolved into. What started as "let's exploit who we can" turned into "Niggers are worthless monkeys!" "Niggers are abominations!" "God hates niggers!" and that sort of indoctrination spread, as slavery grew.

Originally Posted by Oneironaut

Of course, but it was widespread throughout America, which is why black Americans have so much of a problem with it. We are still here, and the problem hasn't necessarily gone away. Were those of us that are here still over in Africa, then our stigma would have been toward those tribes.

I agree with everything you said.

It didn't begin because their skin was black, but that is what it evolved into. What started as "let's exploit who we can" turned into "Niggers are worthless monkeys!" "Niggers are abominations!" "God hates niggers!" and that sort of indoctrination spread, as slavery grew.

I agree, in a sense. I think I would add, to make what you said completely agreeable with me, that the reason it turned into a hate black people thing is because they were looking for a reason to justify the horrible way they were treating people.

Originally Posted by Sandform

I agree, in a sense. I think I would add, to make what you said completely agreeable with me, that the reason it turned into a hate black people thing is because they were looking for a reason to justify the horrible way they were treating people.

Yup. No argument here.

Originally Posted by Oneironaut

Many people like to ignore that racism still exists, and just want the black community to just "forget about it."

I think history should be remembered and used as a guide for the future, but I don't think it should be dwelled on and wallowed in constantly. It only keeps racism alive. Anything that divides people up based on race creates us versus them ways of thinking, taking away the true perception that every person is an individual. Situations of actual racism should be called out and handled, but any kind of talk against the entire white race, or any entire race, is illogical and breeds hate. So the history of black oppression should be remembered, and it should be recognized when it happens now, but it should be kept within logical confines.

Also, (I am not saying you did this.) I majorly resent it when I am at all blamed for slavery, Jim Crowe laws, forced segregation, lynching, cross burning, and so forth. I had absolutely zero to do with any of it, I have a severe problem with anybody who was or is responsible for it, and it sounds insane and very disrespectful when I am accused of it just because of my skin color. The oppression of black Americans does not need to be completely forgotten about, but there is a lot of letting go that needs to be done. The American slave owners are all dead, nobody who can read is a member of the KKK any more, and the vast majority of white Americans do not hate people based on skin color these days. Mainly, talk about the history of black oppression needs to be confined to where it applies. I am tired of hearing about slavery and so forth from people who think I somehow had something to do with it because my skin color somehow gives me a team status and I am responsible for the rest of the team. I am not a member of a white team. I just have white skin, which easily turns very dark when I spend time out in the sun. I had nothing to do with any of it, I am very glad the North won the Civil War and ended slavery, and I am very glad that the civil rights movement happened and was a success. Plus, I am part Irish, and there were Irish slaves. I am also part American Indian, and a whole lot of them got screwed really bad. So the idea that I am somehow a slave owner or a segregationist because of my race is absurd and very insulting. That idea is what needs to be forgotten. It was wrong in the first place.

Originally Posted by Oneironaut

The difference between the concepts of a white person calling a black person a nigger and a black person calling a white person a cracker is that "nigger" is the equivalent of calling a person a worthless piece of shit. It is a word that carries with it connotations that you come from a line of thinking that promotes the hanging of blacks. That black people are, litterally, less than nothing. You can call someone a cock sucker, motherfucker, pansy, pussy, whatever, but none of those words carry with it the power that the word "nigger" does.

"Cracker", on the other hand, is labelling someone as a supremist - basically comparing them to the type of people that did the whip-cracking. You're calling them egotistical. You're calling them ethnocentric. You're calling them anti-semetic, but the word doesn't even come close to rivalling the word "nigger", in context.

That is a very good point. I never thought about it that way. However, what the two words have in common is that they both have a connotation of, "I hate your entire race." The word "cracker" is just like the word "kike" or "chink" in that way. It is a very racist word.

Originally Posted by Oneironaut

I don't really think the South Park sketch made your point very well. Not that you didn't have one. I just don't think it did.

But, yes, there is definitely a stigma that still lingers, as far as racism is concerned - and rightfully so. If racism was completely erradicated, it would be different. Many people like to ignore that racism still exists, and just want the black community to just "forget about it." We (the nation) aren't at the point to where people can just say anything that want to a black person and not be suspected of being a white supremist. It would be great if it were like that, but it's not. Fundamentally, people have to understand that that is a very real truth to why derogatory words to blacks are still buzzwords.

The difference between the concepts of a white person calling a black person a nigger and a black person calling a white person a cracker is that "nigger" is the equivalent of calling a person a worthless piece of shit. It is a word that carries with it connotations that you come from a line of thinking that promotes the hanging of blacks. That black people are, litterally, less than nothing. You can call someone a cock sucker, motherfucker, pansy, pussy, whatever, but none of those words carry with it the power that the word "nigger" does.

"Cracker", on the other hand, is labelling someone as a supremist - basically comparing them to the type of people that did the whip-cracking. You're calling them egotistical. You're calling them ethnocentric. You're calling them anti-semetic, but the word doesn't even come close to rivalling the word "nigger", in context.

Not every black person would have a problem with you saying you're a proud white man. Of course, there are many who would take the statement with a bit of , and I 'know it's not you're fault that making such a declaration might encite those kinds of of assumptions about you, but that's how it is. Imagine watching your mother go through an extremely abusive relationship.

You stuck with it and watched it for years, and she got the shit beat out of her. Finally, she decided to let that drunkard man go, after he'd nearly killed her. Then, later on down the road, she begins dating a friend of his. You see many parallels between the two men, every single day. Even if the man is not the violent monster that his friend was, you'd be a machine to not be somewhat on guard, for your mother's sake, whenever you see those parallels.

As far as just saying the word "black," it has nothing to do with the word, it's how you say it, and the context in which it's said. Many people use the word in a derogatory tone, even when they don't seem to realize that they are consciously doing it. Again, there is a stigma, sure. Not all of the protest is completely rational, but very little of it is without reason.

/rant (That was really to both sandform and half/dreaming, actually. I know sandform did say he understood the nigger thing, but I just thought I'd clarify, for anyone that didn't.

You and I have had this conversation before, and you used this same argument. And yes, its understandable.

Correct. Calling somebody a nigger is like calling them a lesser lifeform; the lowest form of life. So by your definition of the word, a white person could be a nigger? A worthless piece of shit?

You seem to think "cracker" isn't that bad. I must disagree. To me, a cracker is a pompous asswhipe who thinks he is superior because of the color of his skin. It brings up a chapter of our past in which we really did think we were better than the "monkeys" who worked on our farms. To a person such as myself who doesn't think color means shit, its like calling me a racist. So, to sum it up;

Nigger=shitbag
Cracker=racist

They both sound pretty shitty to me, but by your definition, the N word doesn't just pertain to a single race. Cracker does.

To be honest, I really don't care about being called a cracker, and I don't think anyone should get upset about the N word. I kinda just wanted to flip it around on you O.

[Edit: This isn't as long as it looks. Lol.]

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

I think history should be remembered and used as a guide for the future, but I don't think it should be dwelled on and wallowed in constantly. It only keeps racism alive.

Agreed, though you definitely have to understand how hard it is to get over something when you're constantly being poked and prodded by its remnants.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

Anything that divides people up based on race creates us versus them ways of thinking, taking away the true perception that every person is an individual. Situations of actual racism should be called out and handled, but any kind of talk against the entire white race, or any entire race, is illogical and breeds hate. So the history of black oppression should be remembered, and it should be recognized when it happens now, but it should be kept within logical confines.

Couldn't agree more. It is those logical confines, though, that are somewhat debatable. There is the idea of "white people are all supremists," and there is the idea of "there is a very high probability that a majority of the white people around me have some sort of negative perception of me, because I'm black." Given where this country has come from - and is now - there is a bit of statistical truth behind the latter, and it is this latent uncertainty that makes it easier for blacks to make flawed assumptions. I'm in no way excusing it, simply trying to offer some perspective. Again, though, I agree that misconceptions like these add to the problem more than anything else.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

Also, (I am not saying you did this.) I majorly resent it when I am at all blamed for slavery, Jim Crowe laws, forced segregation, lynching, cross burning, and so forth. I had absolutely zero to do with any of it, I have a severe problem with anybody who was or is responsible for it, and it sounds insane and very disrespectful when I am accused of it just because of my skin color. The oppression of black Americans does not need to be completely forgotten about, but there is a lot of letting go that needs to be done. The American slave owners are all dead, nobody who can read is a member of the KKK any more, and the vast majority of white Americans do not hate people based on skin color these days.

That's true, but flat-out "hate" is not the only trigger to racial problems. Aside from the overt hate, there lies a (much more widespread) "misconception" of people of other races. Even if it doesn't necessarily include hate, it breeds alienation - the idea that "he's different from me, in a way that I don't fully understand, so I'm going to keep him at arms' length." Even when something as subtle as this is brought to the forefront, it can create a "WTF" reaction, which brings about the touchy subject of racism, which, in turn, brings about the touchy parent subject of slavery. It's often the case that someone looks at a black person as "paranoid," when they bring up the idea that racism still runs rampant even in high levels of government (maybe you've even rolled your eyes at it, at some time or another), but how are blacks supposed to just "let it go", when we are still hearing stories like this:



Initially, it's easy to say that it's a minority of whites that have these sentiments (which may be true. Honestly I do not know) but, when more and more examples of it that can be seen on case by case basis, it's hard not to at least concede to some perspective of how much of it still remains.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

Mainly, talk about the history of black oppression needs to be confined to where it applies.

Again, I'm in no way going to argue with that. I completely agree. But, as with the story above, the subject of oppression can very easily come into the context. If that goes on in high levels of the secret service, are there blacks within the organization that are being kept from high level position, because of their skin color? The answer is not so easy to shrug off as "no way, you're just paranoid" as it would have been, if such a story were never run.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

I am tired of hearing about slavery and so forth from people who think I somehow had something to do with it because my skin color somehow gives me a team status and I am responsible for the rest of the team. I am not a member of a white team. I just have white skin, which easily turns very dark when I spend time out in the sun. I had nothing to do with any of it, I am very glad the North won the Civil War and ended slavery, and I am very glad that the civil rights movement happened and was a success. Plus, I am part Irish, and there were Irish slaves. I am also part American Indian, and a whole lot of them got screwed really bad. So the idea that I am somehow a slave owner or a segregationist because of my race is absurd and very insulting. That idea is what needs to be forgotten. It was wrong in the first place.

Definitely. It's that kind of overt "guilt by association" that's really prolonging racial tension. I could even understand if someone had a bit of weariness about someone, without getting the chance to know them, but to completely just have a "WELL YOU'RE A PART OF IT!!" perception is completely retarded.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

That is a very good point. I never thought about it that way. However, what the two words have in common is that they both have a connotation of, "I hate your entire race." The word "cracker" is just like the word "kike" or "chink" in that way. It is a very racist word.

Yeah, I agree. I didn't mean for it to sound like I was saying that cracker wasn't extremely racist. In many instances, it is. There is, however, more than one usage of the word. Some people use it against all whites, regardless of background. It is, unequivocally and universally, racist. Others only use it when coming into contact wit a white person that presents that sort of "cracker" mentality - someone that seems like they stepped directly out of the slavery days, and have shown their racist colors (which, yes, does still imply a racist choice of wording, but I hope you understand my distinction).

In the latter instance, the word is fitting (IMHO), in the former, it's disgusting and shows a racial ignorance that rivals the mentality of those that use the word "nigger" for all blacks.

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Originally Posted by Half/Dreaming

You and I have had this conversation before, and you used this same argument. And yes, its understandable.

Correct. Calling somebody a nigger is like calling them a lesser lifeform; the lowest form of life. So by your definition of the word, a white person could be a nigger? A worthless piece of shit?

You seem to think "cracker" isn't that bad. I must disagree. To me, a cracker is a pompous asswhipe who thinks he is superior because of the color of his skin. It brings up a chapter of our past in which we really did think we were better than the "monkeys" who worked on our farms. To a person such as myself who doesn't think color means shit, its like calling me a racist. So, to sum it up;

Nigger=shitbag
Cracker=racist

They both sound pretty shitty to me, but by your definition, the N word doesn't just pertain to a single race. Cracker does.

To be honest, I really don't care about being called a cracker, and I don't think anyone should get upset about the N word. I kinda just wanted to flip it around on you O.

No no. As I said to UM, I didn't mean to make it sound like I didn't think the word "cracker" was all that bad. I think both the words are ignorant. Though, say I was walking down the street and someone said "hey you fuckin nigger, get over here and pick my cotton!" (figuratively speaking), that person would portray the persona of a "cracker." I wouldn't call them that, because these are words I just don't really use in conversation (except discussions like these), but that would be the case in which I would call someone that, if I chose to use the word.

The word "nigger" to some, can be (and often is) used for both races. The way I explained it was not literal. It wasn't to say that "It's just like calling anyone a piece of shit." I believe it is most commonly reserved for the black race. Though, in some instances, you will hear people call people of other races "niggers," too. Likewise, many sophisticated, educated blacks often refer to thuggish, unruly, antagonistic blacks as "niggaz," as well. In that context, it is definitely not a brotherly label.

I got a little nervous when I saw how long your post was. I was thinking, "Here we go again." But I think I agree with everything you said, so there is no point in addressing it paragraph by paragraph.

I can understand when a black person realistically thinks to himself, "There is a chance this white person is a racist and has a bad opinion of me because I am black." He is right. There is that chance. I just don't think it makes sense to go ahead and conclude a person is a racist without good evidence. We agree on that.

You said you were not sure how much of the racist sentiment remains, so I will tell you how I see it. The KKK mentality is not very common with white Americans any more. Only the stupidest inbreds who think wrestling is real talk about hating a person just for being black. However, the subtle negativity you talked about is pretty widespread, but fortunately it is generally the sort of probationary mentality I was just talking about with the black guy who thinks white people around him might be racist. I don't think it is common any more for the negativity to be unconditional. It is about what ifs. Once everything seems cool with the person, the racial tension generally ends. White people who just automatically have a bad opinion of a person for being black and continue to even after they see that the person is totally okay are on the way out. People who are like that these days pretty much don't admit it. They know how ridiculous and ignorant they will sound. Saying the word "nigger" at a cocktail party full of white people now would be like pissing on the curtains. I see interracial couples all the time now, and they don't have to worry about getting attacked over it any more. When my parents were in school, interracial couples were pretty much guaranteed to be attacked in public.

That is all a pretty recent development. Just twenty years ago, prejudice was much more acceptable. Twenty years before that, it was unacceptable not to be unconditionally prejudiced, at least where I live. Of course I live in the state that is the setting of all of the true story KKK movies, so this region's history is really extreme. But things have changed a great deal and seem to still be getting better. I think the racism is much closer to nonexistent in other parts of the country. I have cousins who live in Seattle, and I don't think the subtle weariness we talked about is very common there. If anybody does have it, they wouldn't dare show the signs of it because racism on any level is all out taboo there. I think it is that way in a lot of other places too.

I'd just like to point out I thought and interesting point was brought up about claims of reverse racism with equal opportunity employment. the example was a white man trying to get work at a black barbershop. The fact is, you're understating it, black people only make up 10% of the population so if enough people showed up asking for jobs at a barbershop and could prove they were equally qualified, by law the majority of the people working there would be white.

All people want is a choice of where they work, and black barbershops are usually in black neighborhoods which are usually barely above the poverty line on average, so white people looking for that opportunity usually look for it in their own neighborhoods due to racial tensions in urban environments.

The idea is pretty simply, 10% of the population is black, so if they're willing to put in the effort to train themselves to be as competant as the other employees, black people should receive 10% of the opportunities. It's competition based on work ability, not race. If black people received 20% of the opportunities, the balance would be tipped the other way because suddenly a black person with the same amount of training has more opportunity.

My uncle had a friend at work. He was black. They exchanged comments to each other all the time about each others race...the black guy would say ALL kinds of shit to my uncle and my uncle would say stuff sparingly at best...however once upon a time someone heard my uncle and brought it up and so they called the two of them into the office and addressed the issue...

My uncle's friend laughed his ass off and set the dumb asses straight.

Moral of the story? You can say racist things and not be racist.

They aren't even making light of racism, they are making fun of it.

Much like a joke about the holocaust...you aren't making light of the suffering, your making fun of the ignorance behind it.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

I got a little nervous when I saw how long your post was. I was thinking, "Here we go again."

Hehehe. I figured you might.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

I can understand when a black person realistically thinks to himself, "There is a chance this white person is a racist and has a bad opinion of me because I am black." He is right. There is that chance. I just don't think it makes sense to go ahead and conclude a person is a racist without good evidence. We agree on that.

Agreed.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

You said you were not sure how much of the racist sentiment remains, so I will tell you how I see it. The KKK mentality is not very common with white Americans any more. Only the stupidest inbreds who think wrestling is real talk about hating a person just for being black. However, the subtle negativity you talked about is pretty widespread, but fortunately it is generally the sort of probationary mentality I was just talking about with the black guy who thinks white people around him might be racist. I don't think it is common any more for the negativity to be unconditional. It is about what ifs. Once everything seems cool with the person, the racial tension generally ends. White people who just automatically have a bad opinion of a person for being black and continue to even after they see that the person is totally okay are on the way out.

I hope you're right. It does, though, have to contend with the indoctrination that some of the uneducated racists are bestowing upon their children. It is a struggle, but I hope that, ultimately, you're right and it becomes fizzled out.

Actually, I'd just like to relate an encounter that I had recently, that I'll never forget. I was hanging out with my best friend a few months ago. Even though neither of us really listened to country music, he had just broken up with a girl that loved it, and he was feeling kind of nostalgic, so I went with him to hang out in a bit of a honky-tonk bar. We went in and shot some darts, met a couple of (drunk) people, and basically had a pretty good time. There was one rather large white guy (of course, as I was the only black guy in the building) that was sitting at the bar. Looked like a "good-ol'-boy" - maybe mid-fifties, with a long ZZ Top type beard and whatnot.

After about an hour, I went up to the bar to get a drink, and I ended up standing right besides this guy, while waiting. He turned to me and said "you know what...I don't want you to take this the wrong way, but I'm usually a very prejudiced guy....very prejudiced...against...well...black people..." I could tell that he was trying to be respectful even while saying what he said. He was like (and this isn't verbatim...) "at first, when I saw you come in, I was watching you, thinking you were going to be a certain way, only because I see so many black guys act a certain way...but you just came in and started having fun with everyone else, as if you were just one of us. You weren't acting arrogant, you weren't being disrespectful or anything. You acted like you were just right at home here, and having a good time..."

He told me (without paraphrasing too much) that he "learned something" just by observing me, even though his initial feelings were racially biased. I sat down next to him and began talking to him about how you can't judge people by appearance, and told him how much it meant to me that he actually overstepped his racial bias and came to me respectfully and told me how he felt. He ended up buying me a drink.

All the while, my best friend was standing behind us. He couldn't really hear what we were talking about, but he caught the jist that it was a racially-motivated conversation, and actually became nervous because it was his idea to come to this place and he thought that the guy was giving me shit about being black. When we left, I told him that that was one of the most inspiring experiences that I've had, to have someone that was admittedly a hardcore racist come to me and tell me that just be observing me he began to re-think his values, which led into actual conversation about it.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

People who are like that these days pretty much don't admit it. They know how ridiculous and ignorant they will sound. Saying the word "nigger" at a cocktail party full of white people now would be like pissing on the curtains. I see interracial couples all the time now, and they don't have to worry about getting attacked over it any more. When my parents were in school, interracial couples were pretty much guaranteed to be attacked in public.

That is all a pretty recent development. Just twenty years ago, prejudice was much more acceptable. Twenty years before that, it was unacceptable not to be unconditionally prejudiced, at least where I live. Of course I live in the state that is the setting of all of the true story KKK movies, so this region's history is really extreme. But things have changed a great deal and seem to still be getting better. I think the racism is much closer to nonexistent in other parts of the country. I have cousins who live in Seattle, and I don't think the subtle weariness we talked about is very common there. If anybody does have it, they wouldn't dare show the signs of it because racism on any level is all out taboo there. I think it is that way in a lot of other places too.

Yeah, I hope so. I definitely see racism around me, but I acknowledge that it is much more subtle than it used to be, and I'm grateful for it. I just hope that the falling trend continues, despite the numerous "pin-pricks" that continue to remind people of their biases.

We're all a little bit racist Oneiron...

Well maybe the better word is bigoted towards cultures that happen to have a race attached to them (much like for many years the black culture was actually a culture vs. a race). Now of course, culture has pretty much spread in the U.S. so that we are pretty much just one culture.

Originally Posted by Sandform

Now of course, culture has pretty much spread in the U.S. so that we are pretty much just one culture.

That's true. I wouldn't say we're necessarily one culture, yet, but we are definitely the proverbial "melting pot." As time goes on, cultures become mixed, and ethnocentric lines get crossed. It's not like I believe that "culture is bad! Everyone should forget where they came from!" but if it takes that sort of philosophy to create a more tolerant society...I would be more for it than against it.

Everyone is racist.

Except the fact that White skintones are naturally a more desirable trait in a potential mate than dark skin tones.

And I'm talking about all humans.

Originally Posted by Seismosaur

Everyone is racist.

Except the fact that White skintones are naturally a more desirable trait in a potential mate than dark skin tones.

And I'm talking about all humans.

Proof that our white skin makes us superior! Lol.

Originally Posted by Seismosaur

Except the fact that White skintones are naturally a more desirable trait in a potential mate than dark skin tones.

That is just your opinion. Have you seen how hot a lot of latino women can be? I am also very attracted to good looking black women. Give your position another look...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=eEaNX9aISMk

http://youtube.com/watch?v=IuU4HKodqh0

http://youtube.com/watch?v=QWyPDPH7YwY

The objectification of women is wrong.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

That is just your opinion. Have you seen how hot a lot of latino women can be? I am also very attracted to good looking black women. Give your position another look...

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That's not my opinion it is scientific fact.

Dark/Light are subjective.

Originally Posted by Seismosaur

That's not my opinion it is scientific fact.

Dark/Light are subjective.

What is scientific fact? White is a race. Are you saying it is scientific fact that every person on Earth prefers general white race skin over the other ones? That is just not true.

I said "lighter". And it is true.

Just take a trip to South Carolina...

Or anywhere-- It doesn't matter.

We all know everyone is jealous of white skinned people. Them half dark half light half breeds sure is some lucky sons a bitch's.

Originally Posted by Seismosaur

I said "lighter". And it is true.

Just take a trip to South Carolina...

Or anywhere-- It doesn't matter.

I live in the South, so you don't have to preach to the choir. I went to Ole Miss for a year and lived by LSU for a while. I have been through South Carolina several times. I know about the good looking white women here, but we also have phenomenal looking women of all other races. I think the race with the highest percentage per capita of hot women in the top 1% of hot women is latino. Take a trip to South America some time.

When did I ever say "white"?