Thread: Distance

Originally Posted by Sandform

It is like saying the universe is "orderly." No the universe isn't orderly, we just happen to have evolved to see it as orderly to function.

o_O since when is it a fact that we only see the universe as orderly? if there was no order than there is no science because science would have to say "theres nothing to study because everyday the rules of reality change"

as far as we know it, our UNDERSTANDING of the rules of reality change, but the rules of reality - even the ones we have yet to understand - aren't randomly changing, our I would float to the sky because gravity failed. there is order.

Originally Posted by juroara

o_O since when is it a fact that we only see the universe as orderly? if there was no order than there is no science because science would have to say "theres nothing to study because everyday the rules of reality change"

as far as we know it, our UNDERSTANDING of the rules of reality change, but the rules of reality - even the ones we have yet to understand - aren't randomly changing, our I would float to the sky because gravity failed. there is order.

I'm not using the word orderly like "doesn't prescribe to distinct guidelines."

I'm using it in the since that via our minds perception we view the human arm (just as an example) to be something that is calm and orderly...but in reality it is a massively large number of atoms with their swirling electrons running around in crazy little pathways...

Its acts can be determined...but it isn't as orderly as we would think.

Massively quick action is being taken every second...

Originally Posted by juroara

o_O since when is it a fact that we only see the universe as orderly? if there was no order than there is no science because science would have to say "theres nothing to study because everyday the rules of reality change"

as far as we know it, our UNDERSTANDING of the rules of reality change, but the rules of reality - even the ones we have yet to understand - aren't randomly changing, our I would float to the sky because gravity failed. there is order.

There is order, but it isn't strict order. Sometimes, when a quantum particle decays, it becomes a temporary product which actually contains more energy than the previous form. It then quickly swaps into another, stabilised form, which neutralises the amount ofenergy. It's as if reality "turned a blind eye" to it.

And if you think of it, atoms never touch each other: they only get so close that the electromagnetic force is strong enough to push them away fro meach other. Where, exactly, that happens, is practically impossible to determine, and it's as if the universe itself had now law ruling it.

Originally Posted by Kromoh

There is order, but it isn't strict order. Sometimes, when a quantum particle decays, it becomes a temporary product which actually contains more energy than the previous form. It then quickly swaps into another, stabilised form, which neutralises the amount ofenergy. It's as if reality "turned a blind eye" to it.

And if you think of it, atoms never touch each other: they only get so close that the electromagnetic force is strong enough to push them away fro meach other. Where, exactly, that happens, is practically impossible to determine, and it's as if the universe itself had now law ruling it.

its really a human thing to think that order means strict I by no means mean strict order. even a crazy abstract painting has its own order.

for example: it is order that atoms actually never touch each other. would you not call that a "law"?

the problem isn't that the universe has no order. its just that the order that is in the universe is mind blowing, and defies our logic as a human being. as a human being we are basically born believing that there are solid objects. we touch our skin, compare it to water and we say. "were solid and water isn't"

then we take a deeper look at things and suddenly its like everything we knew is tossed out the window. I think science is on the verge of realizing, our entire understanding of the universe might be wrong.

It's all about one's magnification... How far you pull back or focus your perspective.

Let's not fool ourselves, though... all points of perception are delusion.

Translation: It is extremely difficult for us, who are possessed of blind passions, to free ourselves from the delusion of birth and death.

Man, you just call everything an illusion and delusion, implying they are not real. But they are real as they can be, everything you perceive to be an illusion is actually a concept of your imagination to understand this world, they are purely based on reality and nothing else. This world is real. Your illusions are not false illusions but imagination which serves the function of understanding. Even imagination based on imagination is eventually based on reality.

Well, if you think of it, the whole concept of "self" is an illusion. Humans beings are not "beings". Nothing is. it's all just a complex action-reaction chain. We only think we are a being, capable of will and reason, since that is an evolutionary advantage. Everything is deterministic in the sense of what will be *will* be and you can't change it because you're part of it. But it's also not deterministic in it is random.

"Reality" is an illusion. There's no "real" as we think of it. Nor truth. Nor anything else. Nothing distinguishes you very-loved reality from a dream. Yes, this world is "real". It doesn't mean it is true. It's like a Matrix, but one you can never get out of. Everything you do, from walking to the kitchen and getting a glass of water, to discussing in this forum, is all the outcome of chemico-physical reactions. You're not "in control". Basically because "you" as you think of it, doesn't exist.

Now you're getting it...

A snake biting it's own tail at every turn...