Thread: Al Gore criticizes Bush for ignoring Iraq's ties to terrorism.

Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba

What gives you the right to kill someone without a fair trail?

Even during fair trails, 10% of the people who get put to death sentence are innocent.

Imagine how many innocent people die in a war.

It doesn't mean because it's a primal instinct you can go around killing everyone.. please.

It's like claiming. Fucking is a primal instinct. So you have the right to go and rape everyone you think deserves to be raped?

Stop getting off topic with your antics. You said the will to kill is a learned, brainwashed behavior. I said it was natural. That's all there is to it. Am I wrong?

Sure it's natural, but killing random people just for the oil and gun industries isn't.

I bet while you're in Iraq you also rape the 'evil terrorist women'. Right? How can you live with yourself?

Originally Posted by ninja9578

There lots of people that said that, but all of the official reports said that their weren't. Including the american 911 report.

Not true.

Originally Posted by ninja9578

In 1992 there actually were WMDs in Iraq, he was correct. They didn't finish dismantling the WMDs until 1998, that's 6 years later. I don't follow your logic.

The WMD's Hussein had in 1992 were never all accounted for, and further reports said he had them after 1998, as late as 2003.

Originally Posted by ninja9578

And you think creating war is the best way to do that? As long as religion is the primary factor of policies over there it will never be restful. What needs to happen is good diplomacy to get them to be tolerant of other religions similar to how we got the south to be tolerant of blacks in during the civil rights movement.

The poverty and despair so prevalent in the region create the terrorist breeding climate. We are getting capitalistic democracies going in the heart of the Middle East in order to change that terrible factor.

If you think you can get those backward ass brainwashed fanatics to be more tolerant of other religions just by talking to them, please go over there and be the first.

Originally Posted by dragonoverlord

I find that very insulting.

Here look how uncivilized the Dubai is

I'm glad there are a few such places. As a result of our actions, there will be tons more. Aren't you glad?

Originally Posted by Omnius Deus

I said Saddam Hussein didn't have ties to terrorism. Honestly, it depends on your definition of terrorist. Al Queda? No. Suicide bombers? No. Osama bin Laden? No. Any type of terrorist activities directly in threat of the United States? No.

Terrorist connections that implied a threat to american business interests? HELL YEAH

Hamas and Hezbollah are suicide terrorist organizations, and Hussein provided financial incentives for Palestinian suicide bombers in Israel by offering money (ahead of time) to the families of suicide bombers. He also pulled a WMD terrorist attack on the Kurds. THAT is a terrorist.

What do you think of Gore's speech?

I'll find out once I'm stoned enough to tolerate him speaking.

Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba

Sure it's natural, but killing random people just for the oil and gun industries isn't.

I bet while you're in Iraq you also rape the 'evil terrorist women'. Right? How can you live with yourself?

Please site where I said I will rape Iraqi women. Your assumptions are outstandingly retarded.

But if a woman tries to kill me in Iraq, she will die. I will live with myself by knowing that I am going home. Thats something you will never have to worry about.

Originally Posted by Half/Dreaming

Please site where I said I will rape Iraqi women. Your assumptions are outstandingly retarded.

But if a woman tries to kill me in Iraq, she will die. I will live with myself by knowing that I am going home. Thats something you will never have to worry about.

I'm 100% sure, if anyone invaded America, for any reason whatsoever, and would bomb your cities, kill your childeren, rape your women, you would also fight back and defend your country.

What if it was your own govermnent who killed their own people on 9/11? How would you be able to live with yourself? What's the purpose of bombing cities and killing people and raping women?! You think by killing people you will turn them to the good side? Well that's pretty hard when theyre DEAD isn't it? But I guess you never have thought about that. You just think, they are evil, they must die. And you are uncapable of thinking any further.

Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba

I'm 100% sure, if anyone invaded America, for any reason whatsoever, and would bomb your cities, kill your childeren, rape your women, you would also fight back and defend your country.

What if it was your own govermnent who killed their own people on 9/11? How would you be able to live with yourself? What's the purpose of bombing cities and killing people and raping women?! You think by killing people you will turn them to the good side? Well that's pretty hard when theyre DEAD isn't it? But I guess you never have thought about that. You just think, they are evil, they must die. And you are uncapable of thinking any further.

You have to be at least 15 to post here.

Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba

I'm 100% sure, if anyone invaded America, for any reason whatsoever, and would bomb your cities, kill your childeren, rape your women, you would also fight back and defend your country.

What if it was your own govermnent who killed their own people on 9/11? How would you be able to live with yourself? What's the purpose of bombing cities and killing people and raping women?! You think by killing people you will turn them to the good side? Well that's pretty hard when theyre DEAD isn't it? But I guess you never have thought about that. You just think, they are evil, they must die. And you are uncapable of thinking any further.

You are so uninformed about present day military operations it baffels me. You are also uninformed about the people we are fighting.

For the last time, I'm not interested in turning these people over to "the good side". You shouldn't be either! Its IMPOSSIBLE.

I respect your little opinions because it is people like you whow make our country look like sane and caring individuals. Just know that it is people like me, who aren't passive and evasive, who get shit done when shit happens.

PS. I think you may be under the age limit for posting on this site.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

You have to be at least 15 to post here.

Originally Posted by Half/Dreaming

PS. I think you may be under the age limit for posting on this site.

How mature. Monkey see, monkey do.

Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba

How mature. Monkey see, monkey do.

I know you are, but what am I! I'm rubber, and you're glue. Whatever you say bounces off of me and sticks to you!

There, that's the kind of dialect that someone of your maturity could understand.

Honestly, how old are you? I bet you won't tell us all.

Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba

Sure it's natural, but killing random people just for the oil and gun industries isn't.

I bet while you're in Iraq you also rape the 'evil terrorist women'. Right? How can you live with yourself?

Seattle Troll Statue

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

Seattle Troll Statue

Ha! Is that really in Seattle? Seattle is only like 45 minutes away from me. I need to go check that out.

Originally Posted by Half/Dreaming

Ha! Is that really in Seattle? Seattle is only like 45 minutes away from me. I need to go check that out.

Yeah, it's in the Fremont district, under the Aurora Bridge.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fremont_Troll

I don't agree with Gore on this. I disagree with him about 45% of the time and the other 55% of the time I fall asleep listening to him. He blathers on with useless information everyone is aware of as if he found the evidence in a sunken treasure chest.

When I was like 8 or something my Dad took me to see him speak and afterwards my Dad was like, "Oh wow! Wasn't he charismatic?" And I was 8, I don't remember a word he said.

Gore is not a real liberal, he's anti-american. He purposely tries to undermine people, and so in an attempt to undermine both Bush administrations, he jumps from one side of the fence to the other to take whatever position is against them. Michael Moore does it too, but Michael Moore is entertaining so I forgive him.

I think of it like this:

Our foreign policy since Reagan has been the same. The incentive was to stop the Soviets from taking over the world -_- and even if they were trying to do that after the Cold War the foreign policy should have changed but did not. It's a policy of essentially, "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" where they support anyone strong enough to prevent a nation from going communist, or into the hands of the people. They support anyone who's willing to support our industrial control over the world.

Then, with Bush in office and the USSR completely bankrupt, they used the same foreign policy but turned their eyes on the middle east. We've been supporting Butcherers for decades, and this Butcherer was supported because he prevented civil war in a country.

If we should have done anything, it should have happened after the kurds were gassed anyway. Instead it was claimed in another thread that it took the combined reasons of the WMDs and his terrorist history in order to finally decide, "Let's go get Saddam." But those combined reasons were absolute nonesense that can be said about so many nations right now with a massacre in the past. Unfortunately, there is no way to distinguish Iraq as a valuable target against terrorism or for democracy and security.

It is a valuable target for business interests, however.

Originally Posted by Omnius Deus

I don't agree with Gore on this. I disagree with him about 45% of the time and the other 55% of the time I fall asleep listening to him. He blathers on with useless information everyone is aware of as if he found the evidence in a sunken treasure chest.

When I was like 8 or something my Dad took me to see him speak and afterwards my Dad was like, "Oh wow! Wasn't he charismatic?" And I was 8, I don't remember a word he said.

Gore is not a real liberal, he's anti-american. He purposely tries to undermine people, and so in an attempt to undermine both Bush administrations, he jumps from one side of the fence to the other to take whatever position is against them. Michael Moore does it too, but Michael Moore is entertaining so I forgive him.

I totally agree with all of that, except I think Gore is a real liberal. Modern liberalism is nothing more than the religion of Anti-Republicanism.

Originally Posted by Omnius Deus

Unfortunately, there is no way to distinguish Iraq as a valuable target against terrorism or for democracy and security.

It is a valuable target for business interests, however.

At this point, Iraq is mainly a valuable target for civilizing the Middle East in the long run.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

I totally agree with all of that, except I think Gore is a real liberal. Modern liberalism is nothing more than the religion of Anti-Republicanism.

For me, liberalism is still what it always was, but republicans have changed the word into "anti-republicanism." Essentially, if someone has a differing viewpoint on things like civil rights, the environment, foreign policy and economic theory, they're called a liberal. The people calling themselves liberals that weren't ruined the word first, though.

But if you got in an argument with a religious person, talk about drugs or... anything and inevtiably they'll probably use the word liberal like its an insult.

At this point, Iraq is mainly a valuable target for civilizing the Middle East in the long run.

How can a bankrupt nation be trying to civilize anything?

And why is our civilization better than their's? Western civilization put all those kings in power in the first place thinking that countries were the next stage of civilization. The West (UK mostly) didn't understand the way they saw the world, they thought their way of seeing things was better.

Western Cultural exportation are to the Middle East what the parasitic bark beatle is to forests in the western hemisphere.