Thread: Why Obama shall win;

Originally Posted by Seismosaur

Obama is flakier than a dehydrated Pillsbury Crescent roll in a microwave.

Not to mention he's a blithering idiot. Did you see his latest press conference? "Ur... um... uh... we... er... uh... my wife and I... um.... er.... ah.... decided to... ur... um... ah... withdraw from... ur... uh... ah... mm..."

Having a deep, veratone voice does not make you smart.

And of course he appeals to kids-- He appeals to everyone who doesn't have a plan.

But, does the fact that he came from a poor background, and yet became a Harvard educated lawyer have any insight into the matter of if he has any intelligence.

Good for him.

I didn't know degrees made you experienced and smart?

Originally Posted by Seismosaur

Good for him.

I didn't know degrees made you experienced and smart?

No, doing the work to actually get the degree is what makes you smart.

Originally Posted by psychology student

But, does the fact that he came from a poor background, and yet became a Harvard educated lawyer have any insight into the matter of if he has any intelligence.

He is about as smart as it gets, but as far as political experience and detailed vision go, he is a bag of hot air. He uses his extreme intelligence to be a political power seeking missile instead of a true visionary. He also went to that extremist hate church for twenty years and is good buddies with William Ayers. I don't trust Obama to be the kind of leader we need during these times.

By the way, I invite an Obama fan to discuss William Ayers.

Originally Posted by skysaw

No, doing the work to actually get the degree is what makes you smart.

Uh... Wrong. Knowledgable, maybe, but smart? No, not at all.

Intelligence is separate from knowledge.

Originally Posted by Seismosaur

Uh... Wrong. Knowledgable, maybe, but smart? No, not at all.

Intelligence is separate from knowledge.

Err, in that case: being able to do the work and being able to graduate at the top of your class at Harvard coming from a poor background is what shows that he is intelligent.

Oh, and UM: He became friends with Ayers way after he did what he did. Also, many have vouched for Ayer's humanity and kindness... sure, if he was a current terrorist or something that would be different. Not holding grudges is important. We don't want some macho president who feels the need to hold long grudges for the sake of doing so. People who do terrible things are not terrible people.

Wasup gets a cookie.

@ Second Part:

Terrible people are defined by terrible acts.

Therefore terrible people do terrible things and so people who do terrible things are terrible people.

Why do people associate Obama with this reverend? What (excuse my language) in the FUCK does another person have to do with Obama? they are two seperate people, Obama does not share his views one bit, just because he knows him and used to goto his church doesn't mean he agree's or likes the guy's views.

That's like saying OMG Mccain's pastor is anti-semetic, SO IS JOHN MCCAIN!

Just because someone knows someone doesn't mean they share the same views or anything like that, they just know each other...thats all

All this "wright controversy" Is just the stupid mainstream media trying to detract the attention of the american people from the REAL ISSUES, so they can focus on stupid insignificant little bullshit like this.

Well I dunno:

He's known the man personally for... 20 years; if his views really bothered and/ or conflicted with Obama's then why didn't he leave? There are TONS of other churches!

I mean that's just bullshit.

On another note has anyone else heard about the video and pictures of Barack and his gay lover that are going to be released jsut before the primary voting? And ones with Obama and Rev. Wright?

Originally Posted by Seismosaur

Well I dunno:

He's known the man personally for... 20 years; if his views really bothered and/ or conflicted with Obama's then why didn't he leave? There are TONS of other churches!

I mean that's just bullshit.

On another note has anyone else heard about the video and pictures of Barack and his gay lover that are going to be released jsut before the primary voting? And ones with Obama and Rev. Wright?

Wow, he knew him...so what? Ive known plenty of bozos for years, does that mean I agree with them? No.

Also, Obama stated that the usual Church service did not include anti-american preaching, thats something unusual that Obama said he never witnessed while attending the church.

Oh wow, Barack had a gay partner, so what? What does anyones personal life have to do with running a country?

It seems to me that people are more concerned about politicians personal lives then their policies. I don't give a flying fuck what any politician does in their spare time. If they crossdress and wear makeup and prance around to "dancing queen" I DON'T CARE

What does obama's personal life have ANYTHING to do with how he would run this nation?

I am uttery sick and tired of all these fucking pointless stupid trivial 'scandals' and 'controversies' Its all BULLSHIT.

Vote for the candidates POSITIONS NOT THEIR PERSONAL LIVES.

Bush snorted cocaine and was an alcoholic, and yet he was elected and thats fine and dandy...But oh noes obama knew a controversial pastor good heavens he isn't fit to run america!


ENOUGH IS ENOUGH with this garbage tabloid media crap. They keep trying to dig up personal dirt on every candidate...its so pointless and wrong, its a breach of privacy to any person, they are american citizens and deserve the fucking privacy we have.

Originally Posted by guerilla

Wow, he knew him...so what? Ive known plenty of bozos for years, does that mean I agree with them? No.

Also, Obama stated that the usual Church service did not include anti-american preaching, thats something unusual that Obama said he never witnessed while attending the church.

Oh wow, Barack had a gay partner, so what? What does anyones personal life have to do with running a country?

It seems to me that people are more concerned about politicians personal lives then their policies. I don't give a flying fuck what any politician does in their spare time. If they crossdress and wear makeup and prance around to "dancing queen" I DON'T CARE

What does obama's personal life have ANYTHING to do with how he would run this nation?

I am uttery sick and tired of all these fucking pointless stupid trivial 'scandals' and 'controversies' Its all BULLSHIT.

Vote for the candidates POSITIONS NOT THEIR PERSONAL LIVES.

Bush snorted cocaine and was an alcoholic, and yet he was elected and thats fine and dandy...But oh noes obama knew a controversial pastor good heavens he isn't fit to run america!


ENOUGH IS ENOUGH with this garbage tabloid media crap.

1. He didn't jsut "know" him, nor did he "just go to his church"; he was very close to him for 20 years and consulted him for "spiritual advice".

2. No comment

3. Not what I mean, I am just saying if it is true then Obama jsut lost the election.

4. And the rest of your post is asinine bullshit.

Of COURSE someone's personal life matters!!! It affects everything about their in-office actions!

Originally Posted by Seismosaur

1. He didn't jsut "know" him, nor did he "just go to his church"; he was very close to him for 20 years and consulted him for "spiritual advice".

2. No comment

3. Not what I mean, I am just saying if it is true then Obama jsut lost the election.

4. And the rest of your post is asinine bullshit.

Of COURSE someone's personal life matters!!! It affects everything about their in-office actions!

what's with the numbering?

no comment on what?

my post is bullshit? I never knew the solid truth was bullshit.

why does personal life matter? how does it affect their in office decisions?

Your saying that because obama had a gay lover, that will effect his decisions as a president? how? in what way?

The only thing I can see come from that is Legal Gay marriage, oh noes!

and by spiritual guidance, obama meant religious, not political..since when does politics become spiritual? I'm pretty sure dissing america has nothing to do with spirituality.

My point is, your personal life has no bearing on your political decisions, your policies affect your political decisions, not who you fucked in high school.

Originally Posted by guerilla

My point is, your personal life has no bearing on your political decisions, your policies affect your political decisions, not who you fucked in high school.

Someone's actions show where they stand on certain issues. Nobody votes for/against something unless there is personal benefit for them. Even if you're being coerced into voting some way, the benefit is that you/someone else won't be harmed.

The president has the same "privacy" as Hollywood celebrities... maybe even a bit more than them. He's chosen to make himself an object of scrutiny, and while we don't need to know everything about his "private life," I, personally, find some of these details important.

Originally Posted by guerilla

what's with the numbering?

no comment on what?

my post is bullshit? I never knew the solid truth was bullshit.

why does personal life matter? how does it affect their in office decisions?

Your saying that because obama had a gay lover, that will effect his decisions as a president? how? in what way?

The only thing I can see come from that is Legal Gay marriage, oh noes!

and by spiritual guidance, obama meant religious, not political..since when does politics become spiritual? I'm pretty sure dissing america has nothing to do with spirituality.

My point is, your personal life has no bearing on your political decisions, your policies affect your political decisions, not who you fucked in high school.

Well this post is littered with ignorance, and one misunderstadning:

Your saying that because obama had a gay lover, that will effect his decisions as a president? how? in what way?

No... I said that if it were true then he will not win the election.

I'm not even going to bother with explaining that treating someone like your father and then not expecting people to hold you to his views is just plain ignorant.

Originally Posted by wasup

Oh, and UM: He became friends with Ayers way after he did what he did. Also, many have vouched for Ayer's humanity and kindness... sure, if he was a current terrorist or something that would be different. Not holding grudges is important. We don't want some macho president who feels the need to hold long grudges for the sake of doing so. People who do terrible things are not terrible people.

Ayers said on 9/11/01 that he wished he had committed more terrorist attacks. He made that terrible comment on that day of all days. He did not turn into Mr. Fuzzy Wuzzy after being a terrorist. He still has the terrorist mentality. If Obama were buddies with Khallid Sheik Muhammed to this day, would that make a difference to you?

Originally Posted by guerilla

Why do people associate Obama with this reverend? What (excuse my language) in the FUCK does another person have to do with Obama? they are two seperate people, Obama does not share his views one bit, just because he knows him and used to goto his church doesn't mean he agree's or likes the guy's views.

Wright is not just some guy Obama walked past on the street one time. Wright was Obama's preacher for twenty years. That means Wright is the guy Obama went to see every Sunday for guidance, philosophical wisdom, and values. Obviously Wright's views meant a great deal to Obama. One does not go to an extremist church for twenty years unless he is an extremist himself. If McCain went to a church for twenty years at a place where one of his best friends was the preacher and that preacher yelled, "God damn the faggots!" and, "Women these days are getting raped because those other damn bitches who have nothing to do with them bombed those cities the rapists don't give a damn about in 1945!" would you say it doesn't matter that McCain went to that church for twenty years and was so close to that preacher?

William Ayers has been on the board of directors of a charitable organization called the Woods Foundation since 1999. Barack Obama served on the board of directors of the same organization until 2002. The Ayers family also helped Obama meet people in the community, probably long before Obama found out about their past, and did donate $200 to one of his campaigns for the Illinois State Senate:

In the mid-1990s, Ayers and Dohrn hosted a meet-and-greet at their house to introduce Obama to their neighbors during his first run for the Illinois Senate. In 2001, Ayers contributed $200 to Obama's campaign. Ayers also served alongside Obama between December 1999 and December 2002 on the board of the not-for-profit Woods Fund of Chicago. That board met four times a year, and members would see each other at occasional dinners the group hosted.

Also, I'd like to say that knowing someone who committed violent acts against innocent people does not put you on the same level they're on. If you knew one of the guys who dropped an atomic bomb on Hiroshima or Nagasaki, would that make you bad?

Finally, Jeremiah Wright is a self-centered idiot who wants the spotlight all the time. Barack Obama attended his church because Wright was the pastor who originally brought him to Christ, and they were friends for many years. Guess what. The pastor who baptized me has political ideas I vehemently disagree with, but I would still attend his church if I were still a Christian and he had not decided to move. If I ran into him today, I would still treat him as a friend simply because he is a good person. Personal bonds are stronger than political ones. That said, Wright began to act completely deranged and insane the longer the new coverage went on, and I think Obama denounced him in order to help him (Wright) keep a shred of dignity.

I think we should stop blasting candidates for knowing people of questionable character or sanity. I could name at least ten or fifteen people I have gone to school with who have insane ideas and express them frequently. That doesn't make me insane.

Nanten, you miss the point that Obama and Ayers are friends. They are not mere acquaintances. Obama does not take the terrorism issue seriously, and that alone makes him uqualified to be the president of the United States. Do you understand what I am saying? Putting him in office would be a terrible idea. Wright is no mere acquaintance of his either. Why do people keep talking like that is all there is to it? These relationships are much deeper and condoning than some of you are acknowledging. You cannot compare merely going to school with somebody and going to a preacher's church every Sunday for twenty years or giving speeches at somebody's house while partnering up with them and calling them your friends.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxoiZdBSi-g

This is serious business.

You haven't proven anything. Obama does not share the views of some of his friends and acquaintances, and he should not be held responsible for what they do or say independently.

Pretty much what he said. I have a close friend that believes in ghosts... does that mean I believe in ghosts? I don't understand that logic. If I meet a racist I don't shake his hand and then say "I hate blacks." In regards to the position he is running for, it's probably better that he is surrounded with different kinds of people. He doesn't have to agree with what they say, but having opinions on either end of the spectrum is good for the sake of making fair decisions. He probably has friends that hate gays and don't believe in evolution (and I'm sure McCain does too), that doesn't mean he agrees with them.

Honestly though... I don't know about your friends or anything UM... I suppose they are all carbon-copies of you... but you don't have to agree with everything someone says to be their friend.

Originally Posted by Nanten

You haven't proven anything. Obama does not share the views of some of his friends and acquaintances, and he should not be held responsible for what they do or say independently.

Yes, he should be held responsible for being the friend and honorer of an unrepentant terrorist who attacked the United States. No such person should ever be president of the United States. It blows my mind that anybody would disagree with that. Are you sure you really do?

Originally Posted by wasup

Pretty much what he said. I have a close friend that believes in ghosts... does that mean I believe in ghosts? I don't understand that logic. If I meet a racist I don't shake his hand and then say "I hate blacks." In regards to the position he is running for, it's probably better that he is surrounded with different kinds of people. He doesn't have to agree with what they say, but having opinions on either end of the spectrum is good for the sake of making fair decisions. He probably has friends that hate gays and don't believe in evolution (and I'm sure McCain does too), that doesn't mean he agrees with them.

Honestly though... I don't know about your friends or anything UM... I suppose they are all carbon-copies of you... but you don't have to agree with everything someone says to be their friend.

Come on, Wasup. We are not talking about just having a friend he disagrees with. It is not even close to being that petty. You folks are trying so hard to sugarcoat this, and I am not going to let it slide. We are talking about a fucking terrorist who attacked the United States and expressed very disturbing lack of repentance for it ON 9/11. That is gigantic. If Obama is going to be a friend of such a person and give speeches in his honor at his house, he does not take terrorism seriously. Combine that with where Obama went to church for twenty fucking years, and you get a picture of how much he does NOT give a shit about this country. Obama's behavior is so in line with the "God damn America!" mentality. He can't be the president. It is way too important of a job for somebody like that.

and I'm good friends with an atheist, have been for years does that make me one?

The Bin Ladens and the Bush family have been friends for many years. How do you view that one?

Originally Posted by skysaw

The Bin Ladens and the Bush family have been friends for many years. How do you view that one?

Proof that 9/11 was a scandal.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

Yes, he should be held responsible for being the friend and honorer of an unrepentant terrorist who attacked the United States. No such person should ever be president of the United States. It blows my mind that anybody would disagree with that. Are you sure you really do?



Come on, Wasup. We are not talking about just having a friend he disagrees with. It is not even close to being that petty. You folks are trying so hard to sugarcoat this, and I am not going to let it slide. We are talking about a fucking terrorist who attacked the United States and expressed very disturbing lack of repentance for it ON 9/11. That is gigantic. If Obama is going to be a friend of such a person and give speeches in his honor at his house, he does not take terrorism seriously. Combine that with where Obama went to church for twenty fucking years, and you get a picture of how much he does NOT give a shit about this country. Obama's behavior is so in line with the "God damn America!" mentality. He can't be the president. It is way too important of a job for somebody like that.

First off the pastor was talking about how shit is coming back to us. I thought you were Atheist? Who cares he he say God damn America? I go to church every Sunday, and I don't believe everything my 8 year priest says. The pastor was referring to the fact that shit is coming back to America because of the shit we have done. That was his whole point.

You think he's an extremist?

“And even if we did have only Christians in our midst, if we expelled every non-Christian from the United States of America, whose Christianity would we teach in the schools? Would we go with James Dobson's, or Al Sharpton's? Which passages of Scripture should guide our public policy? Should we go with Leviticus, which suggests slavery is ok and that eating shellfish is abomination? How about Deuteronomy, which suggests stoning your child if he strays from the faith? Or should we just stick to the Sermon on the Mount - a passage that is so radical that it's doubtful that our own Defense Department would survive its application? So before we get carried away, let's read our bibles. Folks haven't been reading their bibles.”

- Barrack Obama