Thread: Why Obama shall win;

Originally Posted by Dreamworld

Where is your proof that this sermon happened every week for the last 20 years? He left that church clarifying he does not believe with what they preach in the church. So if my priest suddenly said something extremist, I'm extremist? What if it was the first extremist thing he said in 20 years?..

I didn't say Wright said it for twenty years. I said Wright is an anti-American extremist and that Barack was his extremely close friend and went to his church for twenty years. The sermon did not exactly happen just a few weeks ago. It was shown on Fox News more than a year ago. But Obama kept going to church there, and he kept going there even after the controversy erupted this past March. He did not quit going to that church until after weeks of seeing that the controversy was not going to go away. Also, did you see what I wrote about how the congregation reacted to Wright and Pfleger? Do you want to argue that Obama went to a church where people think and feel in such extreme terms and never realized it? Is it a coincidence that so many people in that church reacted to those sermons the way they did? They just coincidentally turned out to happen to be extremists too? Please answer that for me.

Originally Posted by Dreamworld

“And even if we did have only Christians in our midst, if we expelled every non-Christian from the United States of America, whose Christianity would we teach in the schools? Would we go with James Dobson's, or Al Sharpton's? Which passages of Scripture should guide our public policy? Should we go with Leviticus, which suggests slavery is ok and that eating shellfish is abomination? How about Deuteronomy, which suggests stoning your child if he strays from the faith? Or should we just stick to the Sermon on the Mount - a passage that is so radical that it's doubtful that our own Defense Department would survive its application? So before we get carried away, let's read our bibles. Folks haven't been reading their bibles.”

That is a quote from Barrack Obama. Does it sound extremist?

It sounds like a politician talking out of his ass. Would you like to see some Ted Haggard videos where he spoke against homosexuality and drugs?

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

I didn't say Wright said it for twenty years. I said Wright is an anti-American extremist and that Barack was his extremely close friend and went to his church for twenty years. The sermon did not exactly happen just a few weeks ago. It was shown on Fox News more than a year ago. But Obama kept going to church there, and he kept going there even after the controversy erupted this past March. He did not quit going to that church until after weeks of seeing that the controversy was not going to go away. Also, did you see what I wrote about how the congregation reacted to Wright and Pfleger? Do you want to argue that Obama went to a church where people think and feel in such extreme terms and never realized it? Is it a coincidence that so many people in that church reacted to those sermons the way they did? They just coincidentally turned out to happen to be extremists too? Please answer that for me.



It sounds like a politician talking out of his ass. Would you like to see some Ted Haggard videos where he spoke against homosexuality and drugs?

You are saying he is an extremist because Obama had an extremist pastor. I provided you with a paragraph that showed he wasn't extremist.

He messed up big time. I'm going to admit that, but he dissociated himself from the church, became unaffiliated with Wright, and he will not lose the elections based on this..

Wright's speech-

“[The United States] government lied about their belief that all men were created equal. The truth is they believed that all white men were created equal. The truth is they did not even believe that white women were created equal, in creation nor civilization. The government had to pass an amendment to the Constitution to get white women the vote. Then the government had to pass an equal rights amendment to get equal protection under the law for women. The government still thinks a woman has no rights over her own body, and between Uncle Clarence [Thomas], who sexually harassed Anita Hill, and a closeted Klan court, that is a throwback to the 19th century, handpicked by Daddy Bush, Ronald Reagan, Gerald Ford, between Clarence and that stacked court, they are about to un-do Roe vs. Wade, just like they are about to un-do affirmative action. The government lied in its founding documents and the government is still lying today. Governments lie.”

“The government lied about Pearl Harbor too. They knew the Japanese were going to attack. Governments lie. The government lied about the Gulf of Tonkin. They wanted that resolution to get us in the Vietnam War. Governments lie. The government lied about Nelson Mandela and our CIA helped put him in prison and keep him there for 27 years. The South African government lied on Nelson Mandela. Governments lie."

"The government lied about the Tuskegee experiment. They purposely infected African American men with syphilis. Governments lie. The government lied about bombing Cambodia and Richard Nixon stood in front of the camera, ‘Let me make myself perfectly clear…’ Governments lie. The government lied about the drugs for arms Contra scheme orchestrated by Oliver North, and then the government pardoned all the perpetrators so they could get better jobs in the government. Governments lie.... The government lied about inventing the HIV virus as a means of genocide against people of color. Governments lie. The government lied about a connection between Al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein and a connection between 9.11.01 and Operation Iraqi Freedom. Governments lie.”

“The government lied about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq being a threat to the United States peace. And guess what else? If they don’t find them some weapons of mass destruction, they gonna do just like the LAPD, and plant the some weapons of mass destruction. Governments lie.”

"And the United States of America government, when it came to treating her citizens of Indian descent fairly, she failed. She put them on reservations. When it came to treating her citizens of Japanese descent fairly, she failed. She put them in internment prison camps. When it came to treating her citizens of African descent fairly, America failed. She put them in chains, the government put them on slave quarters, put them on auction blocks, put them in cotton field, put them in inferior schools, put them in substandard housing, put them in scientific experiments, put them in the lowest paying jobs, put them outside the equal protection of the law, kept them out of their racist bastions of higher education and locked them into positions of hopelessness and helplessness....[13] The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three-strike law and then wants us to sing 'God Bless America.' No, no, no, not God Bless America. God damn America — that's in the Bible — for killing innocent people. God damn America, as long as she pretends to act like she is God, and she is supreme. The United States government has failed the vast majority of her citizens of African descent."

You take one part of this whole speech, and judge upon it. His whole point was.. Governments lie, and that African Americans aren't treated with the best interest. Who doesn't agree with that? FOX news, and you blow it way out of proportion.

Hey, if Obama learned anything from that sermon, it was that he's not gonna lie when in government. His issue is with the government, not the nation. Please don't tell me this isn't the only guy who is pissed after George Bush's joke of a presidency.

I have repeated myself more today than any other day I have been on this site. (It's not just to you.) Please read my responses this time. All you did was repeat yourself, so that is what I will do in return. These are my responses.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

Kharmically connecting two completely unrelated events by the will of God is a supportive statement of the second event. Considering such a kharmic condoning of a terrible tragedy, the fact that the actors of the first event and the victims of the second event are entirely different people and connected only by nationality shows that his comment was an expression of hate for their nation. Reverend Wright hates the United States and believes innocent Americans are morally due terrible things from God because just because they are Americans. Obama went to that messed up church for twenty years. That is a major problem.

TWENTY YEARS

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

It sounds like a politician talking out of his ass. Would you like to see some Ted Haggard videos where he spoke against homosexuality and drugs?

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

I have repeated myself more today than any other day I have been on this site. (It's not just to you.) Please read my responses this time. All you did was repeat yourself, so that is what I will do in return. These are my responses.



TWENTY YEARS

and the United States of America government, when it came to treating her citizens of Indian descent fairly, she failed. She put them on reservations. When it came to treating her citizens of Japanese descent fairly, she failed. She put them in internment prison camps. When it came to treating her citizens of African descent fairly, America failed. She put them in chains, the government put them on slave quarters, put them on auction blocks, put them in cotton field, put them in inferior schools, put them in substandard housing, put them in scientific experiments, put them in the lowest paying jobs, put them outside the equal protection of the law, kept them out of their racist bastions of higher education and locked them into positions of hopelessness and helplessness....

That was ALL true. He hates America? Or he hates what its done? Hates the nation or hates what its done?

Originally Posted by Dreamworld

That was ALL true. He hates America? Or he hates what its done? Hates the nation or hates what its done?

Talk shit, get hit.

Originally Posted by Dreamworld

That was ALL true. He hates America? Or he hates what its done? Hates the nation or hates what its done?

The nation, as I explained. 9/11 victims did not bomb Japan, God oriented kharma connection based purely on nationality, etc. See previous posts. Somebody who doesn't hate the country itself would throw in at least a few positive things, since they too are true, and he would say something like, "Certain government officials had some bad policies in the past, and I am glad our government does not do those things now." I am part Indian, and you will not catch me saying anything like, "She screwed me over." I don't think like that. I know that we lead the world in very important humanitarian areas, and I acknowledge it. I see the very good and the individuality that exist in this country. Wright sees neither. He hates this country.

We are talking about Barack Obama's 20 year plummer mail man class mate cashier bar tender PREACHER.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

The nation, as I explained. 9/11 victims did not bomb Japan, God oriented kharma connection based purely on nationality, etc. See previous posts. Somebody who doesn't hate the country itself would throw in at least a few positive things, since they too are true, and he would say something like, "Certain government officials had some bad policies in the past, and I am glad our government does not do those things now." I am part Indian, and you will not catch me saying anything like, "She screwed me over." I don't think like that. I know that we lead the world in very important humanitarian areas, and I acknowledge it. I see the very good and the individuality that exist in this country. Wright sees neither. He hates this country.

We are talking about Barack Obama's 20 year plummer mail man class mate cashier bar tender PREACHER.

This is already solved, nobody is going to look back at this, it was a preach, a direct attack, a ramble, its called an extremist!
He is talking about America's flaws! Thats its not perfect? Tell me, has or does the government lie?!

Originally Posted by Dreamworld

November.

What about November? We have been debating Obama's morals and dedication to his country in this thread, not whether he will win the election. That is a separate issue. But on that issue, yeah, November.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

What about November? We have been debating Obama's morals and dedication to his country in this thread, not whether he will win the election. That is a separate issue. But on that issue, yeah, November.

This is already solved, nobody is going to look back at this, it was a preach, a direct attack, a ramble, its called an extremist!
He is talking about America's flaws! Thats its not perfect? Tell me, has or does the government lie?!