Thread: I'm not ashamed to admit I hate feminists.

Originally Posted by Minervas Phoenix

Let me get this straight. Women and gay men lose against men. You need sex and so enslavement of females through war is needed while assuming feminism would disappear. You know how old fragile people need a walking frame to help them walk? This sounds like you need a thinking frame to help you have a soul. Disturbing.

Souls don't exist silly.

Statements like yours cast women in an even more negative light and, quite frankly, only reinforce all stereotypes about them being frigid, bitter, spiteful harpies. And it's even worse, considering you're a man - no matter how much you wish it to be otherwise. You don't even realize that your words shame both the gender you are and the gender you wish to be.

Because of people like you who look for prejudice in all the wrong places, harmony between the two sexes will never exist. I hope you're happy living with that knowledge.

Quoted for props.

Originally Posted by Lëzen

Sorry, dude, but I've gotta say you're full of shit.

That misandrist statement is grossly overgeneralizing men. Grossly. It may be true for old white men who still have those archaic beliefs about women, but for today's generation of males it simply isn't true (for a grand majority of us, anyway).

Statements like yours cast women in an even more negative light and, quite frankly, only reinforce all stereotypes about them being frigid, bitter, spiteful harpies. And it's even worse, considering you're a man - no matter how much you wish it to be otherwise. You don't even realize that your words shame both the gender you are and the gender you wish to be.

Because of people like you who look for prejudice in all the wrong places, harmony between the two sexes will never exist. I hope you're happy living with that knowledge.

That's nice that you spent all of that time to write that when it doesn't make sense, I never generalized all men into one category, and if I did, It was unintentional.

I've said it 1,000 times, I don't think all men are pigs, just a large dying group.

And when I say 'you guys' I am specifically talking to male pigs, not all men.

(Next time I'll explain myself more, I'm too vague.)

Originally Posted by guerilla

That's nice that you spent all of that time to write that when it doesn't make sense, I never generalized all men into one category, and if I did, It was unintentional.

I've said it 1,000 times, I don't think all men are pigs, just a large dying group.

And when I say 'you guys' I am specifically talking to male pigs, not all men.

(Next time I'll explain myself more, I'm too vague.)

You sound like a women

How the fuck did this happen?

This thread is being WAY too over-thought.

Women and men aren't equal. They have different though processes due to genetics and due to the how they are viewed in society, they are, therefore, not equal.

Women aren't better than men, and vice versa, though the contrary has been implicitly implied over the past 10 pages of trash talk.

Really on teh topicz0rz:

Radical "feminists" piss me off as well, the groups of women who don't like men, and can't stand to be associated with men. They aren't much better than overly racist people.
This goes without saying that overly sexist men piss me off as well.

Anyway, the thing I usually hear in ye olde "Men suck" speeches are:

"US WOMEN ARE BEING OBJECTIFIED! WE ARE MORE THAN THAT! WE ARE PEOPLE!1!!2!@!!! "
Yes, some men do objectify women and do nothing else. Some women bitch about their men behind their backs. Some men rape women. Some women have sex with men to take their money.

People aren't perfect, men aren't, women aren't. When a man is sexually attracted to a woman, they won't be thinking:
"Wow...her personality is soo sexy, I wanna TAP THAT!". It is in male nature to objectify a woman when they appear sexually attractive, the "issue" lies in when a group of horny men can't keep it in their pants, and end up objectifying every women he sees. That, is an individual's problem, and isn't fair to label slightly under half the worlds population the same.

Well that went a bit offtopic. But yes I dislike huge pain-in-the-ass female superiorists who think men are the cause of all problems.

Women and men aren't equal. They have different though processes due to genetics and due to the how they are viewed in society, they are, therefore, not equal.

The genetic difference is trivial, humans are not that genetically diverse. They don't have different thought processes, like me arguing asians or white have different thought processes because they have different genetics. Which, before somebody calls me a a racist I don't. Genetics plays a small part.

Radical "feminists" piss me off as well, the groups of women who don't like men, and can't stand to be associated with men. They aren't much better than overly racist people.

Firstly, Feminist don't hate men. That as ignorant as saying feminist are lesbiens. Feminist or Radical feminist just want women to be treated the same and as men like I don't know having equal wages. If it wasen't for the so called radical feminist, women would not be able to vote and they would certaintly not be able to work.

This thread is a joke. If I said I hate radical black people, who want black people to be equal and then made up some rubbish about how black people who want equal rights are racist against white people and hate them, well I would proberly get banned.

Feminism is just the fight against sexism, which is really good. Its kind of like the fight against racism.

But yes I dislike huge pain-in-the-ass female superiorists who think men are the cause of all problems.

Men are in power. So yes they are. Historically, women have been treated like slaves and finally when they get the vote, which took alot of work and sacrifice. During the war women were used as cheap labour, and now they want equal pay, which they don't get.

Hey, I'm a girl and I even hate these "radical feminists."

Fair enough, we all should be equal (I've always believed that men and women should be treated the same way) but when women just start becoming sexist towards men it just takes the mick. It's absolutely ridiculous.

Sure, a lot of people have pointed out how women were treated in the past, and many have learned from history. Women do have equal rights now when it comes to pretty much anything and kudos to those women who fight for us when we're not being treated equally, you're really doing us girls a favour and all the things that have been done have made a huge difference.
It's just the "extremists" who take everything just that one step further that annoy me. To me it just seems like hypocrisy when a gender that is trying to be equal to the other, appears to be trying to become the more "dominant" gender.

As for my views on abortion. I do strongly believe that it's the choice of the mother and the father (or just the mother in a case of a rape, which is terrible!) If they want to abort the foetus, then they should be free to do so. If the woman had been raped and doesn't think she could cope with having what's known to some people as a "rape child" then I do believe she should be able to get an abortion with no objection. Whatever the abortion limit is now in the UK is fine the way it is. (I can't remember how many weeks it is but I remember agreeing with it.)

I just think that the women of today need to stop taking it out on the men of today.

But on the flip side, I don't like the guys who constantly think they're better, either. I believe that we should just all be equal. We all have to coexist in this world--the world that we all live in--and why make it hard for each other? It's utterly pointless.

The best quote in the whole thread in my opinion is this -

In the long run we need to look past things like race, religion, and gender and unite under one banner: Human.

Amen.

Originally Posted by serket

I don't feel threatened by women trying to gain equality any more than I feel threatened by a kitten trying to sneak up behind me to paw-pwn me.

It's not a matter of women gaining equality. Any sentient self aware living organism intuitively understands women and men are neither inferior or superior to each other just opposites of nature. Hence I don't feel any more threatened by your intelligence in this instance than I do of someone stuck on a merry go round tripping heavily on acid in Vegas.

Any sentient self aware living organism intuitively understands women and men are neither inferior or superior to each other just opposites of nature.

That's amazingly put! I couldn't agree more!

I think the OP was just venting about that one super-feminist that every guy knows. The one that disects your words for a nuance that could almost kind of maybe be taken the wrong way. It is cool if you fight for wages and respect, but don't go on and on about me not saying "he or she" when I just say "he". I even once had a teacher who thought "he or she" was sexist because the "he" came first. They made me write "she or he" on my paper.

And to argue a bit, the genetic differences are not trivial. Most differences between men and women are genetic. Men are genetically stronger and more aggressive. This leads us to naturally fall in leadership positions. At the risk of starting a nature vs nurture debate, the reason men generally do X, is because back in the day, they did X and it worked. Then we naturally selected our way here. Then society saw that as right and kept on doing it, so nurture backed it up. Now a days, we don't need to have men do X anymore. But that is another issue. So in terms of the actual part of the brain that is different, of course it is relatively small, but I think it originally caused men and women to be where they are. And you cannot argue that the difference between a black and a white man is the same between a man and a woman. Women have different parts, different hormones, ect.

Originally Posted by wendylove

Firstly, Feminist don't hate men. That as ignorant as saying feminist are lesbiens. Feminist or Radical feminist just want women to be treated the same and as men like I don't know having equal wages. If it wasen't for the so called radical feminist, women would not be able to vote and they would certaintly not be able to work.
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You completely misunderstood what he meant. Equal wages and all that are great, he's talking about the women who think women should become the dominant sex and that men are always pigs and wrong and blah blah blah. That is an extreme feminist, not someone who wants equality.

Originally Posted by wendylove

The genetic difference is trivial, humans are not that genetically diverse. They don't have different thought processes, like me arguing asians or white have different thought processes because they have different genetics. Which, before somebody calls me a a racist I don't. Genetics plays a small part.

I disagree, the affect of genetics varies in people.

"Researchers from Uppsala University, Karolinska Institute, and the University of Chicago, have determined that there are hundreds of biological differences between the sexes when it comes to gene expression in the cerebral cortex of humans and other primates...the cerebral cortex [is] that area of the brain that is involved in such complex functions in humans and other primates as memory, attentiveness, thought processes, and language."

"On average, an adult human male body produces about forty to sixty times more testosterone than an adult female body..."

"It's not surprising that our levels of testosterone are understood to affect our behaviour. Testosterone receptors are found in our brain, which means the hormone interacts and binds with our neurons, relaying to them important messages for action. Deborah Blum, author of Sex on the Brain, says this indicates the brain is "prepared to listen to what testosterone has to say" and that "most researchers consider this at least indirect evidence that testosterone is capable of altering the brain, and thus, influencing our behaviour." "

Since the amount of wacky hormones getting pumped out of different peoples brain varies due- yet again, to genes and circumstance, many people will have significant attitude change, whilst some will be barely influenced at all. (If you want me to cite that tell me).

Originally Posted by wendylove

Firstly, Feminist don't hate men. That as ignorant as saying feminist are lesbiens. Feminist or Radical feminist just want women to be treated the same and as men like I don't know having equal wages. If it wasen't for the so called radical feminist, women would not be able to vote and they would certaintly not be able to work.

tkdyo kind of answered it for me, but yeah I was referring to the women who want men wiped off the face of the earth, or women that call a man sexist if they say the word "vagina".

I put "feminist" in inverted commas because I KNOW that the original concept on feminism was for equality, and believe me, i'm all for it. But radical groups of women who are all for the castration of men have often also associated themselves with the label of "feminist, so I apologize if I misled you there.

Originally Posted by wendylove

This thread is a joke. If I said I hate radical black people, who want black people to be equal and then made up some rubbish about how black people who want equal rights are racist against white people and hate them, well I would proberly get banned.

I think the topic starter kind of misled alot of the people in this thread as well. I assume that he was referring to the groups of women who think men are inferior to them, or that men are constantly being sexist to them. He did state initially that he was all for equality between men and women so, again, I just think this thread is being WAY too over-thought by people, comments are being purposefully twisted to make them offensive.

Originally Posted by wendylove

Men are in power. So yes they are.

That is completely unfair. If you think men are the cause of all problems, then you are one of the people that piss me off.
Problems are caused by PEOPLE, not by men, and not by women. Mistakes, misguided desicions, lack of understanding and compassion- they are things that EVERY person encounters in their lifetime, and that EVERY person either overcomes or lives with.
That is like saying all white people are the cause of all problems, the majority of men in power are white, isnt that just as plausible a cause for all the problems in the world?

Originally Posted by wendylove

Historically, women have been treated like slaves and finally when they get the vote, which took alot of work and sacrifice. During the war women were used as cheap labour, and now they want equal pay, which they don't get.

I agree. Women were treated like shit over the course of history, and I too think that is disgraceful. I also agree that women are still disadvantaged in the work-place, but you have to understand that intergrating women fairly into the work-place will take time. This is because since the dawn of our race, men were the dominant sex (generally speaking of course, and not referring to cognitive ability), they were the dominant hunting sex, they were driven solely by primitive urges.

Now we have had 50 or so years in which we are supposed to attempt to reverse the psyche of men, allowing woman to be equal when it comes to "hunting and gathering" (or makin' bling bling, you know what I mean), when the basic male instinct is to fight over the women, supply for the women, let them look after children. This has been instilled in us for the past 160,000 years++ (I don't wanna get into an argument about the birth of the human race, but let us just say it has been a very long time), so we can only assume that acceptance of women into the male's natural role will take awhile.

As time goes on, the intergration will become stronger, and women will have more equal rights in the workplace. I agree that they deserve equal pay and equal rights, but this thread isn't so much about female equality as female superiority.

Let me put in the final word.

Both guys and chicks have interpreted my original post differently, and I left the website for family reasons for awhile and come back to ten mind fuckin' trillion posts of garbage, with a few gems shining out of that shit. I'm not going to say I'm right, (I am) and I'm not going to demean you (I will) but I will say that radical feminists still suck.

Notice how I said 'radical'. Dumbasses. Quit acting like I hate women. I don't. I love em'. The people who interpreted it that way are the same fucking people who are pissed that woman has the word 'man' in it and are lesbian simply because they hate men. I don't like the radical, in your face feminist who wants to kill guys.

You people talking about equality! I laugh in your general direction! If a guy applied for a job as a waiter at Hooters, would he be able to join without legal action? Of course not! There are guys in Hooters, by the way, and the vast majority of that tiny minority got there by threatening to sue their asses! I could say that Hooters is biased! Blaming your sex on not making enough moolah is like blaming the bee for stinging you after bothering it's nest. It's bullshit, that's what it is, and kindly shut the hell up.

Oh, give me your figures. Please do. While your at it, stuff them wherever you feel is appropriate, because I don't care. The reason they aren't getting paid enough is because their ass conforms to long gone expectations for work. Cowboy(girl) up and stop bitching. Honestly, most men these days aren't like what you see in a 50's sitcom. Get over yourself.


Some girl early on said that, "Men don't know what women put up with." Sure, I'll bite. Most women don't know what men put up with. That's all I got to say about that.

I am Good as GOLD! I am a man, and I'm proud as hell about it- but if I were a woman I'd feel the same way.

-God of Wine

Originally Posted by Good as Gold

I hate feminists.

And not the awesome ones back in the twenties who honestly were doing the right thing- those flapper chicks were hot! Nowadays I don't hate the regular feminists who think they deserve equal opportunity. That's completely fair and anybody who says otherwise is just stupid as hell.

No, no no. I hate radical feminists.

The ones who march day and night. The ones who hate me just because I happen to have balls and not ovaries. Y'see, it's one thing to be equal. I think we're there right now, as a matter of fact. But it's as if they're trying to actually consciously trying to show how much better they are then me. They aren't. And I'm not better then them accept for the cold, hard, fact that they're fucking stupid and I'm not.

I may be a lot of things, like a jackass, an asshole, and a jerk, but I am not a chauvinist. I hate them too. If they want to get anywhere in the world they should stop dividing. Dividing people into black and white started the American Civil War. Dividing people into 'Jews' and the rest of the world started WWII. And now, dividing people into women and men could start another.

Abortion is a touchy issue. Personally I'm against it, but not for religious reasons. I'm not the least bit religious, (even though these particular views would fit snuggly on an Alabama fundamentalist.) but it's stupid. Once you have a child growing inside of you it isn't about your body anymore. It's the baby's body, - and don't bullshit me with, it isn't human yet! No, it's not. But it will be so quit being stupid.- the fathers, and yes, yours too. Live up to your own stupidity. Getting an abortion is just turning your back on responsibilities. The only time an abortion is right is when you're raped or if you can't support the baby to the point that it will die.

There's other stuff I could go into, like how women aren't in the draft even though it's been proven that they can do great. I don't see any protests about that, mein friends.

In the long run we need to look past things like race, religion, and gender and unite under one banner: Human.

YAY! i hate them too!

The feminist movement is simply illogical. Some animal societies are matriarchal, with females being dominant and often larger. The fact that is that simply isn't the case with human society. Throughout humanity's history men have been in charge. Human society is Patriarchal, end of story.
However, thats not to say women are inferior to men at all, simply different. They're better, (in genereal) at some things, and worse (in general) at certain things.
But men are leaders. End of story.

But men are leaders. End of story.

I'm sorry, but I strongly disagree with this. Anyone regardless of race, gender or religion have the ability to lead. And I think you'll find that today's society isn't Patriarchal - That may just exist in a few countries, but overall no, it's not.

But I do agree that men are better at certain things and women are better at certain things. At the end of the day, we -- regardless of gender --- all have things that we can and can't do.

Like said in the very first post, we're all human.

Alright, if we choose to look at the worlds 8 most powerful countries and then look at who rules them, you'll find each one is a male. Yes in the past there have been women who have lead but these have been exceptional. And yes of course we're all human, but there are fundemental differences between the two genders. And one of those is whose the leader/provider.
the fact that human society is and always has been patriarchal shouldnt really be a discussion point as it is hard fact.

That's the point though, women HAVE ruled in the past, and you even said it yourself -- they were good at their jobs. The fact that men rule the most powerful countries therefore, doesn't really prove anything. Women can be just as strong at leading if they wish to do so.
There will always be differences when it comes to each gender but it's ridiculous to think that it could hinder their abilties. Both men and women are completely capable of leading or providing - it's stupid to make them gender specific because regardless of gender people can have the ability to lead or the ability to provide.

Originally Posted by Chastity-Autumn

they were good at their jobs.

Margaret Thatcher?

Well she must have done seeing as though she was in power for five years and was the leader of one of Britain's major parties.

People just see her differently depending on what party they choose to vote for. The situation is that it will be people who like to vote for labour or another party that would say she wasn't good at her job because she was leader of the conservatives. People who support conservatives will say she was good at her jobs.

So...really...it'd just be a pointless debate between supporters of different parties. =/

Originally Posted by imran_p

Alright, if we choose to look at the worlds 8 most powerful countries and then look at who rules them, you'll find each one is a male. Yes in the past there have been women who have lead but these have been exceptional. And yes of course we're all human, but there are fundemental differences between the two genders. And one of those is whose the leader/provider.
the fact that human society is and always has been patriarchal shouldnt really be a discussion point as it is hard fact.

You have no clue what you're talking about. The elected leader of Germany is a woman.

oh shit yeah, it was an assumption, admittedly not thought through,
The point still stands based on the ratio, just altered slightly.

Originally Posted by Chastity-Autumn

Well she must have done seeing as though she was in power for five years and was the leader of one of Britain's major parties.

People just see her differently depending on what party they choose to vote for. The situation is that it will be people who like to vote for labour or another party that would say she wasn't good at her job because she was leader of the conservatives. People who support conservatives will say she was good at her jobs.

So...really...it'd just be a pointless debate between supporters of different parties. =/

She fucked the country up, thts the end all and be all of it.