Thread: Why Argue?

I argue here because I hope that one of my hundreds of posts will make someone stop and reflect on the garbage they just posted, and they might think "Huh, I was wrong. I wonder what else I might be wrong about?".

When it comes to meta-physics - go your heart out. I won't stop you. But when people sprout false-truths (especially when talking about science), I feel it's my duty as an educator to tell them why they are wrong. Not to put on a show of being superior to them - just to educate. No one wins if we let people stay stupid shit without it being challenged and evalutated.

well I know what you mean. I have made a few posts and had an argument and been like hey yea I never looked at it that way.

We all need to stop being so stubborn and see the other point of an argument. We have to see that sometimes we aren't always right.

But typically I argue because I am bored and it passes time. And sometimes its fun but I am not trying to piss you off I am just trying to express my views and get someone to express their's.

But yes its about sharing your opinon that is always the way to change someone's mind. Thats the problem i have with all these enviormental groups. They don't understand that catchy slogans and all that stuff will never change somoen's mind.

And definitely not name calling and bickering.

I wish everyone would just calm down. Its a forum...its just to have fun!

*cheers*!

Well..when I can tell someone is just trolling I take a deep breathe and remind myself that "someone" else will reply for me.

Originally Posted by Sandform

Well..when I can tell someone is just trolling I take a deep breathe and remind myself that "someone" else will reply for me.

That's true nothing like watching two other people go at it. Saves you all the trouble.

I like to argue, it's fun to battle your point of view against others, like a giant gladiator pit of thoughts, and it's totaly awesome when your opponent is like... a small little weakling with a fish, and your a giant rippling gladiator with a mithral sword and cool battle cries.

Originally Posted by Alextanium

I argue here because I hope that one of my hundreds of posts will make someone stop and reflect on the garbage they just posted, and they might think "Huh, I was wrong. I wonder what else I might be wrong about?".

When it comes to meta-physics - go your heart out. I won't stop you. But when people sprout false-truths (especially when talking about science), I feel it's my duty as an educator to tell them why they are wrong. Not to put on a show of being superior to them - just to educate. No one wins if we let people stay stupid shit without it being challenged and evalutated.

Well, what makes you right and the other person wrong? it's all based on point of views. People word things differently and it sounds wrong but what they are saying is what you say except your view is said a different way then theirs. It's just arguing on what way sounds better.

Originally Posted by LucidFlanders

Well, what makes you right and the other person wrong? it's all based on point of views. People word things differently and it sounds wrong but what they are saying is what you say except your view is said a different way then theirs. It's just arguing on what way sounds better.

When we're talking about science, there is only one right answer. You can't put interpretation into solid facts.

Just look at one of the other threads in R/S, where someone said that animals seem to get a higher level of emotional awareness and consciousness just by "being around humans". This is - just - plain - wrong. It's not a point of view - it's just flat wrong.

Originally Posted by Alextanium

When we're talking about science, there is only one right answer. You can't put interpretation into solid facts.

Just look at one of the other threads in R/S, where someone said that animals seem to get a higher level of emotional awareness and consciousness just by "being around humans". This is - just - plain - wrong. It's not a point of view - it's just flat wrong.

I agree with you for the most part. You can't have an argument that a single water molecule has 10 hydrogen atoms in it because it simply doesn't. There's nothing to argue about, since it has hard, objective scientific evidence backing it up. But not everything scientific has one definite, truthful answer. There are things (like that example you gave about whether animals have feelings) that just hasn't and probably can never be proven scientifically. And how can it? We can't ask the animal, or dissect it for the answer, and observing it and how it responds to situations is subjective depending on the person observing them. Thus from a scientific perspective, to say that animals do not feel emotions is a theory, not a fact and can be fairly argued about.

Arguementation is to figure out who is wrong, and who is right.

I try to avoid arguing whenever I can. I find it's a lot more interesting to have a normal discussion about something. Although when someone says something I consider to be untrue, I try help them see why I find their statement to be untrue, or to see why a different view is more accurate. [son of a bitch I just dropped a coal on my night stand. Typing and fiddling with a hookah is a bad combo]. I think arguments definitely help people tie up any loose ends in their beliefs that they may have been previously unaware of. But you can do the same without arguing.

I think arguments are the result of people being too attached to their thoughts. This attachment can make someone feel personally attacked, when it was just an idea that was being challenged. I like to think that you are not your beliefs and ideas, they just come and go.

Just like the tango, it takes two to argue. You don't have to get sucked into the negativity trap. Just be ready for it and it'll be easier to avoid.

Originally Posted by Schmaven

You don't have to get sucked into the negativity trap.

That's true. My method of avoiding the negativity traps is being the one that sets them.

Originally Posted by Alextanium

When we're talking about science, there is only one right answer. You can't put interpretation into solid facts.

Just look at one of the other threads in R/S, where someone said that animals seem to get a higher level of emotional awareness and consciousness just by "being around humans". This is - just - plain - wrong. It's not a point of view - it's just flat wrong.

Well, i was just commenting on the bolded part. But you're right about the animal thing.