Thread: guns

Originally Posted by ninja9578

Certain guns are for hunting, certain guns are for self defense. Some guns have no purpose other than killing people. No one needs a machine gun except for the military or swat team. High rate of fires weapons should be banned, guns for hunting and self defense should require extensive background checks and be heavily moderated.

Less guns = less gun violence. NYC has outlawed guns and there is far less violence, very few countries have large problems with weapons, the US is one of them because guns are largely unregulated compared to other countries.

In Canada it's very easy to get a gun above the 45th parallel, yet gun crime isn't a huge problem, so there goes your little theory.

Originally Posted by drewmandan

In Canada it's very easy to get a gun above the 45th parallel, yet gun crime isn't a huge problem, so there goes your little theory.

True, a majority of Canadians also leave their doors unlocked at night.

Very bad. Guns should be totally illegal for anything other than hunting purposes, and a license must be otained that requires a background check and a psychological assesment.

Think of the horiffic number of gun crimes in America. Think of how many kids have died, how many family members have accidentally being shot, how many innocent people have died. Even the guilty people shouldn't be given the power to kill eachother.

Now think of somewhere like the UK, where guns are illegal except for hunting purposes. Practically inconsequential death rate from gun crimes; maybe one per month. It's still not the perfect system (you can still get your hands on guns) but it's a hell of a lot better than in America.

So you want the freedom to have a gun. It's your right. But is any freedom worth such a massive loss of innocent life? For me, the answer is pretty obvious.

Originally Posted by Pensive Patrick

Think of how many kids have died, how many family members have accidentally being shot, how many innocent people have died.

Kids and innocent people have been run over by cars. We should ban cars?

So you want the freedom to have a gun. It's your right. But is any freedom worth such a massive loss of innocent life? For me, the answer is pretty obvious.

For me too, it is yes. Frankly, people dieing unnatural deaths is a good indicator of a free society. "Innocent" people die of drugs. That doesn't mean that drugs should be illegal. Whenever something remotely dangerous is legal, lives will be lost. To be quite honest, lives will be lost either way, because criminals don't care about the law. Banning dangerous things is not a solution, it is totalitarian.

The point of the government isn't to make sure that nobody dies. That goal is incompatible with a free society. If dangerous things are legal and that means more people die then OK. Since when is everybody so fixated on creating this wonderful place of honey and elves where nobody ever dies and there never is any form of conflict? Hate to break it to you, but that's not what life is like. Health shouldn't be the number 1 priority in politics, you're gonna end up in a totalitarian society.

Meh, I don't see the need for hunters to have guns, so I think that the only people who should get guns are police officers. I know bad people will inevitably (sp) get them, but there will be Far Less. I mean, there are non-leathal solutions for defence.

Originally Posted by Serkat

Kids and innocent people have been run over by cars. We should ban cars?

Guns don't help you get around.

For me too, it is yes. Frankly, people dieing unnatural deaths is a good indicator of a free society. "Innocent" people die of drugs. That doesn't mean that drugs should be illegal. Whenever something remotely dangerous is legal, lives will be lost. To be quite honest, lives will be lost either way, because criminals don't care about the law. Banning dangerous things is not a solution, it is totalitarian.

The point of the government isn't to make sure that nobody dies. That goal is incompatible with a free society. If dangerous things are legal and that means more people die then OK. Since when is everybody so fixated on creating this wonderful place of honey and elves where nobody ever dies and there never is any form of conflict? Hate to break it to you, but that's not what life is like. Health shouldn't be the number 1 priority in politics, you're gonna end up in a totalitarian society.

I would be a strong supporter of totalitarian society, so obviously our fundamental beliefs clash spectacularily here. It would be pointless to continue an argument.

I'm glad theres people in texas burrying guns right now. Obviously we are gonna need them.

I already posted this in another thread but it's really funny so I'm gonna do it again. This is an excerpt from the Guns and Dope Parties website. http://www.maybelogic.com/gunsanddopeparty/

GUNS and DOCTORS

a. The number of physicians in the United States is 700,000

b. Accidental deaths caused by Physicians per year is 120,000.

c. Accidental deaths per physician is 0.171. (US Dept. of Health &
Human Services)

THINK ABOUT THIS:

a. The number of gun owners in the US is 80,000,000 (yes, eighty- million!).

b. The number of accidental gun deaths per year (all age groups) is 1,500.

c. The number of accidental deaths per gun owner is .0000188.

Statistically, doctors are about 9,000 times more dangerous than gun owners.

FACT: NOT EVERYONE HAS A GUN, BUT ALMOST EVERYONE HAS A DOCTOR.

Alert your friends to this threat. We must ban doctors before this
gets out of hand.

As a public health measure I have withheld the statistics on lawyers
for fear that the shock could cause people to seek medical attention.

That is ridiculous for so many reasons.

Having doctors would mean a much lower death rate than not having doctors. This argument is very, very unconvincing.

Originally Posted by Pensive Patrick

Guns don't help you get around.

They help you protect yourself without having to be a kickass movie star Kung-Fu expert.

Originally Posted by Pensive Patrick

Guns don't help you get around.



I would be a strong supporter of totalitarian society, so obviously our fundamental beliefs clash spectacularily here. It would be pointless to continue an argument.

and i think what serkat was sayin is like take skydivin as an example, it's dangerous and it kills people at times(must suck) yet its cool? or like kids die in bathtubs, get rid of 'em right? that's wat serkat is sayin.

wouldn't guns kinda make everyone equal, kind of. like if we didn't have that the bigger musclier people would run the show...

TAKE MY FUCKING GUN! TRY IT!

;=-'

BANG!